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In-law relationships

9 replies

PutTheBassInYourWalk · 18/07/2019 14:10

Hi all,

I am new to the relationships board so hope this is OK to post here.

In short: I am REALLY struggling with my in-laws to the point where it's affecting my mental health. I am trying to go LC but my husband still has contact with them and so they are continuing to affect my MH and I am worried it is going to start impacting on my relationship with DH. How do I resolve this?

The longer version: We have moved closer to both of our families over the last 8 months and took on a project house to renovate, with the full support of both our families (at least initially). This has been a source of constant conflict, and I feel criticism, from PIL, as well as lots of overstepping boundaries including:

  • I am stupid for not using their builders
  • I don't know how to project manage workmen and know anything about building (FIL likes to 'check up' on them and interrogate them when I am off-site. I don't know a lot about building but I am bright and can google and my dad used to be an electrician and knows A LOT so everything gets run past him anyway)
  • I am not working hard enough on getting the house sorted (I am doing my absolute best - I am pregnant and exhausted and working freelance)
  • I am not looking for a job, so I not contributing financially and I am lazy (I have been applying for and interviewing for jobs but haven't been successful, I am freelancing and bringing in money, the money we are using to renovate is my money, and DH had a period of being unemployed last year where I supported him so we agreed it is my 'turn' now)
  • I do not make them feel welcome at our house (it is a building site - we have no chairs and two mugs - there is nothing welcoming about it right now! Plus they have 'visited' when we are not here so many times and walked in or peered through the windows that tbh I don't really want to invite them)
  • We need to borrow some money (not from them - about 10K) to finish the renovations - they do not believe we will ever be able to pay this off
  • DH and I are secretive (I don't think this is based on anything except that we refuse to give them 100% detail about every moment of our lives and we are married so say stuff to each other that we wouldn't say to other people)
  • I am rude because when we stayed at theirs during some of the renovations - they invited us and encouraged us before we even put an offer in on the house - I didn't say goodmorning to every person in the house every morning (this would have involved me searching through the house for everyone, including bedrooms, and isn't something they do either) and I slammed doors (I didn't).
  • MIL has read messages between DH and I on his phone and gone through some stuff that we have 'in storage' with them, (again, they offered and encouraged us to do this) and has looked up the menus of restaurants where I am eating with friends to look at the prices and then criticise me that a main meal was £14.

They would never say any of this to my face - we were supposed to have a dinner to 'clear the air' (according to MIL) but everyone simply ate and watched TV in near silence - but they have said these things to DH when I am not there. He says he defends me, but I feel like he should be doing more (although I don't know what that is).

I can't stand the constant behind my back criticism, and even though I've gone VLC to get some space, it's still affecting me.

What do I do?

Thank you if you've managed to read all of that!

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PutTheBassInYourWalk · 18/07/2019 14:15

Don't want to drip-feed, so to add:

  • After MIL read mine and DH's messages, her, FIL and SIL didn't speak to me for 3 days whilst we were staying with them. I would walk in, say hi, no one would speak to me, no one would make room on the sofa for me to sit down. I would perch on the arm of a chair and they would leave. DH said this was in my head until the third night of it - then I left and refused to stay there any longer. I didn't know she had read our messages (where I was telling DH how upset I was about them going to our house when we weren't there and her going through our stuff).

DH has always had a rocky relationship with them, since childhood, and feels his SIL is 'stirring' at the moment and she likes to be the golden child and he has to be the awful child. She quit her job and moved in with PIL a couple of months after we had completed on our house.

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TeaForTheWin · 18/07/2019 14:16

How are you finding out about the snide remarks behind your back in the first place? Could you just say to hubby 'if you want to keep contact with them, I don't care to know what they are saying about me'. Let them say what they like, if you don't hear it then it can't hurt you.

PutTheBassInYourWalk · 18/07/2019 14:47

@TeaForTheWin

Yes, DH is telling me. I had thought about asking him to stop but he seems to need to vent/let off steam after he sees them and he doesn't see his friends often enough to do that to them.

I'm also not sure it solves the issue long-term. We are only in our 30s. There are potentially many more years of this to come...!

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SavingSpaces2019 · 18/07/2019 15:12

If i were in your shoes i would have let rip at them long ago - to their faces.
Your finances are none of their business.

Your social life is none of their business.
Private texts between you and your DH are none of their business.
Your life is none of their business.

You actually have a DH problem because he's not enforcing boundaries with them.
He claims he stands up for you - bullshit.
He's just more scared of their reaction than yours so he pacifies them and ends up enabling their abuse of you.

Where was he when MIL was looking through his phone?

You need to have a very frank conversation with DH about boundaries with IL's - especially once the baby is here.
You just know they will meddle and interfere.
You will be at serious risk of PND if this continues and your DH doesn't support you PROPERLY.

Personally, once DC is here i would continue LC and only see them on family occasions like weddings/parties etc.
I wouldn't be spending any of my time facilitating contact between your DC and them - your DH can take the baby round on his own (when it's old/weaned enough).
I'd be setting strict boundaries re behaviour from them in your home - and follow through with the consequences.

Long term, unless your DH can see them for the toxic bullies that they are he will remain in F.O.G and never fully support you.
Eventually it will erode your relationship.

SavingSpaces2019 · 18/07/2019 15:14

he seems to need to vent/let off steam after he sees them
Then he needs to reduce the amount of contact he has with them - why won't he?

TeaForTheWin · 18/07/2019 15:37

Sounds like you are all caught up in one big energy sucking vacuum. . They drain him with their drama and unasked for opinions and he drains you in order to get his energy back afterwords by unburdening himself onto you.

I would just say 'Hon, I appreciate that they are hard work and that you want to talk to someone about it, but it makes me miserable and I just don't need it in my life. So in future, if you are going to stay in touch with them, could you look for other ways to make yourself feel better after they have had a go? Tell a mate or go for a run (or have a winge on mumsnet) something else to unwind? Because otherwise we just end up in this big cycle of toxic'.

Set some boundaries. He might be cool letting them walk all over his, but he doesn't get to then walk all over yours.

PutTheBassInYourWalk · 18/07/2019 16:15

@SavingsSpaces2019 Thank you. Reading your post was like reading a coherent version of the thoughts I'd been having but I didn't know if I was being unreasonable or not. I don't want to be "that" daughter in law but feel like I am being pushed into a place where I have to be. I am also worried about my PND risk (going to speak to my midwife next week).

I have no idea how I haven't let rip at them to be honest. I am not a push over, and if it was my family/friends/colleagues treating me like this then I would've given them what for a long time ago. Is FOG catching?!

DH was in a different room for the phone incident, he says. I don't know why he won't cut contact or stand up for them. FOG is part of the answer I think (I haven't read a lot about his before but just had a quick google and it sounds right), and I think the other part is that he is still trying to get their affection and affirmation after all this time, and he thinks that's whilst he's not there his sister is poisoning his parents against him (which is probably true) so he wants to see them to redress the balance (which doesn't work).

@TeaForTheWin - Yes, definitely an energy and a positive vibe suck!

I'm going to sit down with DH tonight to talk about this again now that I have a bit of confirmation I am not being crazy.

Part of my wants to explain to them why I am going LC / to get it off my chest, but part of me thinks to just do it and leave DH to explain.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 18/07/2019 16:43

You are not unreasonable here. If you have come from a family where such toxic behaviour like they have pulled here is thankfully unknown, it is very hard to comprehend at all why they behave like this (its because they want absolute power and control). This is also perhaps why you have not been able to let rip at them, perhaps for fear of hurting your DH as well. You likely as well come from an emotionally healthy family unit, your DH has clearly not been so lucky. There is really no reasoning with the crazy and your MILs idea to clear the air with a family dinner was really anything but. They have no intentions at all of "clearing the air". They would have behaved too exactly the same regardless of whom your DH went onto marry.

"Part of my wants to explain to them why I am going LC / to get it off my chest, but part of me thinks to just do it and leave DH to explain".

No do not explain anything to them; you cannot reason with the crazy or dysfunctional. The rules regarding familial interactions really does go out of the window when it comes to dysfunctional and otherwise toxic families. Your DH does not have to explain anything to them either. They do not like you, never have liked you and never will like or accept you. Do not talk to them at all and do not expose your child to them and their emotional manipulations either.

It is not your fault nor your DH's (or even his sister's for that matter) that these people are like this, none of you made them that way. His sister's role as the golden child is also a role not without price either, but she is unaware of this.

People from dysfunctional families end up playing roles; his sister is favoured (the golden child) and he is the scapegoat for all their familial ills. These roles are interchangeable but once applied tend to stick permanently. Such structures are commonly seen in families where the parents are disordered of thinking. Your DH has had a lifetime of conditioning at their hands and he is far, far more afraid of them than he is or ever would be of you. This, along with his own inertia, when it comes to dealing with his parents, is why he is behaving the ways he is. Love is always conditional and not ever freely given in such families.

They have really messed up your now husband and he has little to no boundaries re them at all. He is also mired in fear, obligation and guilt re them and like many adults of such toxic parents still seeks their approval (approval which they will never give him).

Your mistakes here were to move anywhere near them and in particular to at all involve them at all in any aspect of your lives or your property. They really cannot be trusted here and will continue to nose about and poke their noses in where they are not wanted. Do not expose your child further to their emotional manipulations going forward.

Your DH ought to be seeing a BACP registered therapist and one at that who has vast experience in dealing with toxic family units. Its that serious a problem and one that you alone are not going to be able to solve. Coming out of the FOG is going to be a long and painful journey of realisation for him.

No do not explain anything to them, your DH does not have to explain anything to them re you either. You've already stated a boundary, stick to it. If he at all wants to continue what is really a one sided relationship with his parents he can do that but it does not follow that you have to do so.

Have a read of "Toxic Inlaws" by Susan Forward, your DH should read "Toxic Parents" by the same author as a starting point. Do have a look too at the "well we took you to Stately Homes" thread on these Relationships pages and read too the "out of the FOG" website.

PutTheBassInYourWalk · 18/07/2019 17:20

Thanks @AttilaTheMeerkat - there's a lot of truth in what you've written, even though some of it is a bit painful.

My parents are going through a difficult time at the moment due to long-term illness, but yes broadly speaking I do come from an emotionally healthy family and this family dynamic is completely alien to me. The physical distance has definitely intensified things, including the fact that we also live very near to my parents and it seems to upset PIL when they perceive us/me to be spending more time with my family than them.

I'll check out everything you've signposted me to. Thank you.

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