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PandaTricks · 10/07/2019 21:34

My dear lovely parents out there this is going to be a very long story but if anybody cares to read it I need their most honest opinion and advice on this.

Little bit of a back story, I'm a single mom to a 1 and half year old boy. Me and his dad went through a messy marriage where he neglected us and was verbally abusive and aggressive. We broke up about a year ago (divorce still in progress). His dad only seen him through a contact center etc doesn't really care about him tho.

Recently I started to feel a bit lonely sometimes and took online to just find some friends to talk to as either I'm a mom at home or I got to work, I don't have a social life atm which is fine by me as my son is my whole world but it's only human nature to want to be able to someone have a nice chat with someone.

While chatting to people I met this guy, at first it was just friendly chat but eventually we have clicked very well together and moved onto texting. We spoke about random things and seemed to be falling for each other. For the first time since being with my ex husband I started feeling like I was worth someone's time and attention, this guy can make me smile a lot and is very sweet to me. We haven't met yet in real life as I want to make sure that I'm ready for it, he is very understanding of that. So two weeks pass and he drops the biggest bombshell on me and since then it's been bugging me as I don't know wether we can move pass this and actually have a relationship at any point. This is exactly what he wrote :

'PLEASE don’t hate me! One of my ex’s, we were in a bad relationship. She was quite aggressive and liked to be in control of everything, constantly shouting at me and arguing. She said that she was taking contraceptive pills and had a condition where she can’t get pregnant. I never saw her take them so questioned it and got abuse so as you do you trust the person. We’d have unprotected sex and I’d cum in her every time because she’s on contraception and cant get pregnant. The inevitable happens and she falls pregnant, and instantly wants nothing to do with me, never to see me again, if I visit her she’ll send people to beat me up all sorts of stuff. She wouldn’t listen to anything, allow any input from me on anything and said the baby doesn’t need a father. It’s easy to say tho but I don’t know for sure that it’s mine, but I’m almost certain it is. I have nothing to do with the baby or her. It’s something I feel very very guilty about, and have never known how to deal with it all. I felt in the end that our relationship was so volatile and her hate for me so strong that the baby would have a better life without me and if he wants may have a relationship in the future when he’s older and his mum can’t influence him. She said she’d make up stuff about me just so he hates me and never wants anything to do with me. I’m embarrassed to say I’ve done this, I never wanted to be this kind of guy and I still don’t believe I’m a bad person. She had never worked more than 2 weeks in her life, was on the dole, living at her nans who wanted her out and had nothing to her name. I think this was all so she could have a baby and a house and live on the dole. That doesn’t mean to say she’ll be a bad mum I don’t think she will, but I think those were her reasons for deceiving and lying to me. I never wanted a baby yet, and definitely not with her. She was honestly my worst nightmare, I’ve never been with such a mad person. I can’t even use the right words to describe her she is absolutely poisonous. I’ve not made any real effort to see the baby or gain contact, I’m not going to lie and say I have. I feel it’s best this way and I guess part of it was my selfishness, it must have been really.'

There is some soggy stuff but I haven't included that, we didn't speak much after about it as he didn't seem comfortable or just didn't want to carry on the topic so out of respect I have just left it. I haven't resumed the topic as I feel that even if it's over a text I won't get the full picture as I can't even see his facial expressions etc so I can't really work it out. And here is my dilemma, I generally really adore this guy but this is stopping me from being about to commit even to meeting him. What are your honest opinions would you allow someone like that in your life? Should I be understanding and try to have a relationship with him? Or is it just gonna be another dead end for me where I'm gonna end up being upset. I don't know what to do about it and it's been bugging so much, when I told my work mate about it she just said 'NO' but I'm still drawn to him and it's ripping me apart.

Thank you so much for reading and your replies

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PaulinesPenStash · 10/07/2019 21:37

Get rid

Too much drama and anyone who doesn't attempt to see their child is scum imo

JoyceDivision · 10/07/2019 21:41

Well,if his ex was such a charmer "never worked more than two weeks" "on the role" "living at her name who wanted her out" why was he with her? If he has such low standards then you probably can do better.

PandaTricks · 10/07/2019 21:48

Thank you guys, see the more I was thinking about it I was like but he could of wore a condom if he didn't believe she was on contraception or that's I just don't understand how someone can't fight for their child but my head been such a mess I needed people knocking sense into me. Thank you guys ❤️❤️❤️

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Porky54 · 10/07/2019 21:49

I think give him the benefit of the doubt... two sides and all that x

PandaTricks · 10/07/2019 21:50

But even with that, I don't understand why he doesn't fight for his child. I even suggested to help him out with some legal advice and he was like he thinks it's for the best.

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CodenameVillanelle · 10/07/2019 21:53

Definitely don't give him the benefit of the doubt. He's a waster and a selfish twat who you don't even know (texting is NOT getting to know someone - trust me, serial dater here for years I've learnt my lesson the hard way)

PandaTricks · 10/07/2019 21:55

I know that's why I never said I know him well and tried not to judge him over a text as I don't know and can't even tell what he is feeling at that moment if that makes sense .

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C0untDucku1a · 10/07/2019 21:55

Porky raise your standards. Theyre on the floor.

Op id have asked if he is paying maintenance. Then id have blocked and moved on.

You havent even met him! Block.

Rachelover40 · 10/07/2019 21:56

In your place I think I'd confine the relationship to exchanging messages online. He sounds a bit weird, frankly, but the story is quite interesting - at arm's length. I wonder what his ex would have to say, there's always another side.

I hope you haven't given your full name and he doesn't know where you live.

There must be other chaps you can chat with online. Please don't be upset about this one, you don't have a real life relationship with him or even know him and it's not worth feeling hurt about someone on the internet. He's not your boyfriend. You need a boyfriend to be flesh and blood, not a disembodied entity.

He sounds seriously strange. What sort of a bloke would say, "I’d cum in her every time", to someone he hasn't even met. I wonder if his next step would be writing you a porny story; it would take you a while to realise what it was because you'd be so engrossed.

You've had a hard time and are extremely vulnerable. The man knows this.

Please take care!

Flowers
PandaTricks · 10/07/2019 21:56

I actually asked that and he said that, he said to him ex that if she wants any child support he wants to see the baby and she never replied to that .

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C0untDucku1a · 10/07/2019 22:01

Babies arent pay-per-view. My next question would be to ask if he had opened a savings account for the baby and was paying the maintenance into that instead. He isnt btw.

He is a deadbeat dad. Move on.

PandaTricks · 10/07/2019 22:02

Rachelover40

No, he only knows my first name and my phone number. I haven't given him anymore than that.

I know there is always plenty of fish in the sea and I haven't chatted to other guys just him made me fall for him but this was a major red flag and I just couldn't push past it and I didn't know wether I was being horrible due to last experiences that's why I had to ask people for advice before I made my decision as I didn't want to be unfair on him.

I can see now that I will have to just let him down slowly as I don't want to cause anybody any upset but I can't develop any kind of relationship with him any further.

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AllTheWhoresOfMalta · 10/07/2019 22:02

I don’t think it’s always cut and dried. There have been complicated situations in my own (heavily dysfunctional) family with estranged fathers/kids/mothers and it’s not always just a case of a bad man being a selfish dickhead (although it often is). However you’ve got a lot of dysfunction in your domestic situation going on already thanks to your horrible exH by the sounds of it, so don’t hitch your wagon to someone who’s potentially only going to add to all that. You can definitely do better.

Oh, and everything else aside, as PPs have said: if she was such a waster what was he doing shagging her, let alone unprotected?!

PandaTricks · 10/07/2019 22:08

AllTheWhoresOfMalta

That's why I still given him some time to see wether maybe I was just being not understanding but I just couldn't get my head around it as it's his own flesh and blood.

I know that's why I wanted to be extra careful cuz it's easy to get over a texting crush would be different if I met him that's why I put off meeting him for so long.

That was my first thought when I read it as I mean protection is both people's responsibility.

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PandaTricks · 10/07/2019 22:21

To all those what have replied. I would like to sincerely thank you with all my heart for beating some sense into my head and stopped me from making yet another massive mistake in my life. All your opinions have been appreciated.

Thank you ❤️❤️❤️

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Needsomebottle · 10/07/2019 22:30

From the other side... I have a close family friend who was the dad in a similar situation. He walked away and made no effort. He is really ashamed and his son is now an adult. They tried to forge a relationship but it was unsuccessful. I know this isn't a pleasant situation and doesn't say much about the man, but I have known him over a decade and known him well. He is a step parent and has raised his step daughter brilliantly, been very present in her life since she was about ten, she's now late twenties and they're really close. He's a lovely man. He's not proud of what he did and I've never really spoken to him about it myself but I know he's ashamed. The man I know is a very lovely man as I know him.

KOKOtiltomorrow · 10/07/2019 22:31

A note of caution OP. He’s revealing an awful lot to someone he’s not even met! That’s a red flag (unless you’re manning the phones at the Samaritans). My honest opinion is he’s looking for a single mum he can reel in and then manipulate. There’s a certain type of guy who believes single mums are desperate needy creatures and they “target” them - it’s also said frequently on here that these type of arseholes can suss our women that may be vulnerable due to previous abuse (probs because they are abusers themselves) . In any case, it’s way too much too early - what drama and you’ve never even met! You are worth more.

ChristmasFluff · 11/07/2019 18:37

Please don't ever fall for someone you haven't met and are only texting with - you are falling for their online persona, and that could be nothing like them in real life.

Huge red flags here.

twattymctwatterson · 11/07/2019 18:55

Op he's openly told you he's got a child he doesn't see, hasn't made effort to see and doesn't pay for even though he was asked to pay for the child.

Also with men like this the ex is ALWAYS awful. It's a line. Honestly how you could think of going there with someone like that is beyond me.

I was once seeing a guy who, when he was paid off told me it suited him as he didn't need to pay as much money to his (apparently awful) ex. I've never been more turned off in my life. That's literally the last time I ever spoke to him.

WhatsInAName19 · 11/07/2019 18:58

Run run run. This guy is a walking talking red flag.

He is a deadbeat dad. You're a parent - would you ever consider abandoning your child because of your relationship with their other parent being poor? Of course you wouldn't. If someone stood between you and your baby then you would fight with everything you had. You'd work 3 jobs and save every penny to pay for the best lawyer you could get your hands on. This arsehole did nothing. Just walked away. Good men don't do that. I don't give a shit whether they are lovely to their stepkids or look after their neighbours' cat when they're on holiday. They are not good men. An apple that's rotten on one side is still a rotten apple.

He is also a total misogynist. This woman was "mad" and "his worst nightmare" and yet she was good enough for him to ejaculate into on a regular basis and not so mad that he didn't trust her to take complete responsibility for contraception. Bullshit.

he said to him ex that if she wants any child support he wants to see the baby
^ this is fucking shameful. He is not prepared to clothe, feed or provide for HIS child unless the mother dances to his tune. Does he think that children don't need food or new shoes when you're not looking at them? Even if his ex is the worst person on the planet, why is he punishing his child by failing to provide for them? It's not the baby's fault.

There a million men like this, OP. They've all got "crazy" exes who "tricked" them into pregnancies and won't let them be involved. Wise up and fuck him off.

TroubleWithNargles · 11/07/2019 19:01

This is one of two things:

  1. He is a rotter, as pps say above.
  1. He is genuinely a nice guy and is trying to get everything out in the open and be straight with you right from the off.

Only you are in a position to decide which you think it is.

MrBlueSkype · 11/07/2019 19:40

Ah, the mad ex, how original.

Bin and block, the guy is an utter loser.

MikeUniformMike · 11/07/2019 19:43

Cut all contact and block him. You don't need this drama.
He might be a completely decent and genuine chap, but chances are he's not.
You have yourself and your little boy to think of.
I repeat: Block him.

Scorpiovenus · 16/07/2019 10:39

yea fuck that. lol

hell no hes a has been.

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