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Mariella Fostrup observation: BOOM! Should be given to all teenagers

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ScreamingLadySutch · 07/07/2019 14:30

"It’s amazing how predatory men, so lacking in intuition in areas like self-awareness, morality and empathy, manage nevertheless to sensitively identify the most emotionally vulnerable person in their vicinity and to zoom in on them. The unhappily married can seem to be entirely ubiquitous, particularly at work events where many of them are waiting to slip out from behind their desks to tell you their sob story before pouncing.

As I said before, and I’ll repeat until my dying breath, if someone is unhappily married, the answer is to focus their attention on what’s causing their problems and to attempt to resolve them or take time out to consider them, not to seek diversion elsewhere by taking advantage of their victims’ naivety and trust.

Neither of these men have what you should be looking for
This man at work, almost double your age, but far less evolved emotionally than the decades under his belt might suggest, is using you as a distraction from his problems and you can neither believe his compliments nor rely on his family narrative. That his messages are exciting to you is no surprise, but they are certainly no gauge of the importance of your connection either.

There’s nothing like an illicit liaison to get our adrenaline levels up and boost our self-esteem, and you are both likely to be culpable in terms of needing to have your worth confirmed as a result of your unsatisfactory relationships. Why his marriage isn’t working is of no interest to me and you offer no details, but frankly it’s irrelevant. There’s barely a union out there that doesn’t lose its gloss after a few years and a young child. Those that try to stick it out and accept that there will be highs and lows are of far more interest and integrity than those who slither into the arms of an easy conquest the minute the going gets tough."

(The Guardian, 7 July 2019)

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PicsInRed · 07/07/2019 14:39

APPLAUSE

We need to teach our girls to recognise workplace predators, to know the language and mannerisms of The Predator, so they are fluent in Predator and can fend them off quickly, rather than find themselves drawn into the web. This should be taught in health class, in school.

missyjudged · 07/07/2019 20:08

Oh yay!!

Scarlettmaid · 07/07/2019 20:20

To all teenagers and young women yes. Pity Mariella wasn't that smart a few weeks back when a 60 something woman was complaining about her friends' partners hitting on her. Mariella started her answer with something like " what a nice problem to have". Young women get sympathy and advice, and rightly so, but apparently if you are middle-aged you should be grateful for unsolicited male attention.

LoafofSellotape · 07/07/2019 20:23

I can't take anything she says seriously after the victim blaming shit she wrote a few weeks back.

toffeeapple123 · 08/07/2019 00:09

👍👍👍

HouseworkAvoider10 · 08/07/2019 00:12

She wrote some fuckin shit a few weeks ago..

ShatnersWig · 08/07/2019 07:48

This is devalued because it's written by Frostrup who writes the most appalling "advice" 9 times out of 10.

birdsdestiny · 08/07/2019 07:55

Am afraid the cynical part of me thinks she deliberately wrote this to claw back some credibility after the hideous misogynistic advice she wrote a couple of weeks ago.

birdsdestiny · 08/07/2019 07:57

Also as a young woman who fell for that in the workplace I doubt I would have listened. Maybe stressing the damage it can do to your career might be more helpful.

DDIJ · 08/07/2019 07:59

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GrabbyGertie · 08/07/2019 08:18

I think she gives terrible advise and she does so in a pompous and very drawn out way. She loves the sound of her own voice. As far as I can tell she is has no qualifications to offer advice and it shows.

Sorry OP but the answer you quoted is saying nothing new at all. I dont get why you think it’s anything BOOM - worthy.

GrabbyGertie · 08/07/2019 08:19

advice

Trooperslaneagain · 08/07/2019 08:20

@birdsdestiny agreed. I used to really love her but more often than not I'm like WTAF?

ScreamingLadySutch · 08/07/2019 11:52

@GrabbyGertie it might not be new, but people fall for it. When I look at the OW whose presence in my life caused the scales to fall of my eyes about the person I loved, forever,

honestly, the horrible things he said about her, how he was completely open that she was an object ('she was a new *', 'if it wasn't her it would have been somebody else' etc) and that she clearly battled with what they were doing (she would say, we shouldn't be doing this)...

and then when he briskly sacked her as his mistress when I found out? As you can see I don't feel at all hostile to her because she was just the other side of my coin when it comes to being used and abused IYSWIM.

So what I wonder at, is how she had to learn the hard way what was completely obvious. That someone who is cheating lying and duping the 'mutual enemy' (the triangulated unknowing wife),

IS A SELFISH CHEAT AND A LIAR. I am sorry for her pain and humiliation as well as my own, we both were manipulated by a selfish entitled misogynist (what the therapist called him). So I think that this 'not new' information does need to be given to teenagers. Boys, to not be like that and girls, to see them coming.

Can anyone copy the terrible advice? Lots of references to it.

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ScreamingLadySutch · 08/07/2019 11:54

sorry, selfish cheat and a liar who doesn't like women much, and doesn't form very deep attachments. ie, RED FLAG and hills that way.

But people fall for the flattery and the feeling special every day and MF is right to call them predators, because they are.

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FuriousVexation · 08/07/2019 11:58

pompous and very drawn out way

Precisely. Everything she writes is designed to draw attention to how educated and clever she thinks she is. It is not going to speak to the people who actually need to hear this message. It's more likely to actively alienate them.

If we want to teach our DDs to not accept sexual harassment at work or anywhere else, why don't we just tell them, and show them by example? Rather than sending them to some self aggrandising newspaper article.

AllTheWhoresOfMalta · 08/07/2019 11:59

It was ever thus. I think that the truth of the mater is that there will always be men like it and young girls will often fall for it. I know I did. And I will warn my daughters, but I don’t have high hopes that they’ll listen.

GrabbyGertie · 08/07/2019 14:47

The older male married adulterer is always the one in the wrong but it’s simplistic to think the younger women are too silly and too gullible not to know what they are doing. They have some responsibility too. I don’t see them as always being the helpless innocent victims they are sometimes portrayed as.

I’m not disputing that teenagers shouldn’t be warned of the dangers of falling for creeps or of being a creep but what I don’t understand is why you think MF tedious and patronising advice is of any note.

Worrynot1 · 09/07/2019 13:49

Let us face it marriage or even long term relationships are boring with moments of fun that gets less and less through the years. It is nice just to step outside of them every now and then and rekindle some zest for life prior to going back to the mortgage or the lawn or so n so Birthday party or other such nonsense. Infidelity is as old as man and is here to stay about time we found a way to deal with it without such devastating effects to both parties.

PicsInRed · 09/07/2019 13:52

The way to deal with it is to leave the relationship or open the relationship up for both parties. If it's fine for you to sleep around, why not your spouse? What's good for the goose...

Worrynot1 · 09/07/2019 14:28

Completely agree What's good for the goose. Think the trick is to be subtle.

Snoopertrooper · 09/07/2019 15:11

Worrynot - I agree. Most people won’t have the discussion and the majority wouldn’t agree to it anyway as people on the whole are conditioned into a certain way of thinking from an early age.

A friend of mine says she is happy in her little “mundane marriage” box for 95% of the time but likes to spend 5% in her other “I am a bit wild and like to enjoy myself” box the rest of the time. She came to an agreement with her DH that what goes on tour stays on tour and a bit of fun along the way wouldn’t end their relationship. Clearly not everyone would agree with that stance but I do.

Not really relevant to this though as when only one party knows, it’s damaging

mememe2019 · 09/07/2019 15:26

This is the one that caused so much upset: www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jun/02/dear-mariella-frostrup-my-friends-husbands-keep-hitting-on-me
but I agree the one you quoted from this week was spot on

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