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How do you know when it's over?

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CursedDiamond · 17/06/2019 13:09

So...I've posted a few times on other people's threads, but I think I need to start my own. I'm fully expecting to be completely flamed, so don't hold back if you want to tell me I'm a horrible person.

I've been with my partner for 12 years. For various reasons related to jobs, after the first few years of living together in the same place, we've since lived apart, in increasingly distance towns. We're now a 4 hour drive from each other. He's freelance, so we do see each other more than just at weekends, but not always, and we can go a while without seeing each other.

This distance is starting to wear on me, has been for about 2 years really, and I feel like there is a wedge between us. i realised it recently when he was away for work, called me, and I didn't want to answer the phone. I just couldn't be bothered...isn't that awful?! And I realised after that, that i've been making excuses not to go down to see him at various weekends. I've been saying it's because I had work to do, but actually, i've quite enjoyed the weekend on my own.

We've also been TTC for the last 18 months, without much joy - partly to do with the distance and missing the right moment, as it were, but also because I have some pre-existing diagnoses which meant it was always going to be hard. I had after about a year of trying, and then nothing since. at the time of the positive test, I was so happy - and I was devastated when I lost it. But since then, I've been having real doubts about whether I actually want children. If i'm honest, I've always been less sure than him, but I was sort of...if it happens it happens kind of mindset. Now we look like we're going for fertility treatment, and I'm not sure I want to put myself through that, and I'm actually really not sure anymore if i want children at all. I haven't told him any of this yet.

Now, before you feel too sorry for me, here's where it gets morally dubious. I have also recently cheated on him. typical, cliched story of growing too close to a colleague. this, combined with everything else going on, has made me doubt the security of my relationship entirely. I said somewhere else that i feel a little bit like we are just really good friends, that have quite efficient sex sometimes. I feel like our relationship lacks intimacy in other ways - but then he's aways been like that, never one for kisses or cuddles really unless it's leading somewhere. It's always been a sticking point for me.

My colleague is in an open relationship, so morally on his side of things, he's not really doing anything wrong. I can't get him out of my head. and this is my problem. I can't work out if it really is 'over' with my OH, or if it's just that my brain is so occupied by this other guy, that I can't separate out my feelings, which are all so confused by how I feel about TTC. I haven't felt real 'desire' for my OH for a while...but then, that happens, right? It just does, in a long term relationship, and it's not fair to compare that to how I feel about some stupid dalliance, which has the illicitness of an affair. Of course that feels more urgent. I feel an affection and I think what is love for my OH. He makes me laugh, he's generally there for me, I think he's awesome in so many ways. But I feel like we've become distant, emotionally, over the last year especially. I did try to talk to him about this recently, and it's obvious to me that he's trying - but he's trying with regards to our sex life, which isn't really where the problem was, for me.

I know there are some people who will tell me that just cheating means I don't love my OH, and I should leave him. But I feel more confused by that...how do you know when it's over in a LTR? That passion can't last forever, I know that it gets replaced by something gentler and more secure. I've made this argument to 100s of people over the years when talking about my own relationship. I thought, originally, that this was just a mad moment...but my brain is so occupied, and one mad moment became two, and then the verge of an actual affair (which it hasn't...i've stopped things). Which I also know is stupid - he has a primary partner, that he loves. this isn't going anywhere (and anyway, i don't think i'd actually WANT to be in a relationship with him)...and i'm not 'in love' with him, i'm just intoxicated by it. it's stupid, and ridiculous, and I'm being stupid and ridiculous and pathetic. I said on someone else's thread that I've been tempted before - but I've never acted on it. But now i'm wondering if that's just because the other guys didn't make a move. maybe i would have done. anyway...that's hard to know.

So...I know that to work this out, I need to cut the other guy out and go NC - which i've done. but i'm still so confused...how do you know when it's over, when nothing really seems that bad?

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FuriousVexation · 17/06/2019 13:19

What is your actual question here OP?

CursedDiamond · 17/06/2019 13:26

Sorry...yes, that was just a bit of a data dump, wasn't it?

I guess I'm scared of breaking his heart for nothing, when I can't work out how I feel. Whenever i've broken up with someone before, it's been in shorter relationships, after a huge fight, or something awful. I mean, i guess in this situation, it's me that's done the something awful, but i also don't want to deal with my own guilt by throwing a grenade in his heart (we have discussed this in the past...we agreed that we don't want to know about 'mistakes').

But here, there is no awful...it just...is. So how do you know?! sorry, that sounds so childish...

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Lozzerbmc · 17/06/2019 14:06

I think the relationship has run its course. Not all relationships that end, end in a bad way sometimes things fizz out..,

If you are not 100% committed to having a child then dont have one.( It may be you’ll feel more definite about it with someone else). I certainly wouldnt entertain fertility treatment if you are not 100% because its that that keeps you going its no picnic i can tell you. Its an emotional rollercoaster that once you are on you cant easily get off.

Helenj1977 · 17/06/2019 21:05

I think you've answered your own question in asking the question.

It's an odd relationship and it sounds like it's not working for you. I'd be honest with dh when you see him next. I wonder if he's not feeling the same?

CursedDiamond · 17/06/2019 21:11

I tried to talk to him about a month ago. He was really upset and so I backed off/wussed out. I guess part of it is trying to work out which of these feelings were there before I cheated on him, and which ones are just the result of a stupid infatuation. Because this happens, right? When you’ve been together for so long? You can’t just have the excitement forever? This is why I’m finding it hard to identify how I really feel. Because we’re comfortable and familiar with each other, we’re a good team. Isn’t that what a relationship becomes over a long time? That’s what I’ve always told myself...you can’t be teenagers forever...?!

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Pipandmum · 17/06/2019 21:19

If you look at him and feel indifferent then it’s not fair to him to have this relationship limp along. That first burst of passion will fade but should be replaced by a deeper love. You should look at your partner and feel love and compassion, not necessarily that you want to jump into bed at every occasion! If course other people will seem attractive but your love for your partner should keep you from acting on it. If that feeling doesn’t exist you shouldn’t be trying to get pregnant. And not sure why’d you want to anyway until you sort your living arrangements out.

happybunny007 · 17/06/2019 21:19

Sounds like you’re trying to talk yourself into staying with him by reassuring yourself that all long term relationships are a bit crap.

Needsomebottle · 17/06/2019 21:22

Something that you said that resonates with me and my situation:

I haven't felt real 'desire' for my OH for a while...but then, that happens, right? It just does, in a long term relationship

I keep thinking that. But then, my DH still feels desire for me. Though I don't for him. We've been together 15 years. So yes, that initial heat wears off but he's an example of how, 15 years on you can still fancy someone. And I'm sure lots of other people could vouch for the fact they still fancy their partners.

As for the rest, maybe don't put yourself under any pressure to make a decision. You've cut contact, see if you can work out how you feel as the feelings fade for the other guy? What's done is done, you can't turn back the clock and you've taken action to prevent it happening again. Give yourself some time. Though I'm sure others will say you should end it by virtue of the fact you have cheated, and that's just my opinion, but you are where you are, do what feels right for you now.

JustGiveMeTwoMinutes · 17/06/2019 21:34

Slightly off at a tangent, do you have any plans to live together again? If you did get pregnant would one of you move? If you don't/ wouldn't then you would seem to have mutuly, tacitly already split

CursedDiamond · 17/06/2019 21:41

What we had discussed as regards children was that he would be the primary caregiver and base himself more up with me, and only take ‘bigger’ jobs. But he still wants a foothold down south. We’ve always had this separate but together life, so that sounds normal to him. I think I’ve wanted just a ‘normal’ life for a while, but also, he’s always supported my career - and in this talk we had the other week, said he had effectively sacrificed his because it was hard always being all over the place. I don’t feel that’s actually what happened, but that’s his truth. I never wanted to pressure him to move, because I didn’t want him to up-end his career for my benefit. But i think it’s finally become too much. And now I don’t want him to commit to being up here. The idea actually scares me a bit.

Oh god. He’s not going to understand where any of this has come from.

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CursedDiamond · 17/06/2019 21:43

And I think to me it sounds like I might end up being a de facto single parent. And he was supposed to try and find more work up here and hasn’t. So perhaps I’ve emotionally detached because I feel like he hasn’t committed. Oh god, what a mess...

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CursedDiamond · 27/06/2019 06:22

We are on holiday...it's our last night. He just asked me to marry him...sort of ('do you think we should get married' i think was how it was phrased initially - he was obviously nervous). I didn't say no...i didn't enthusiastically say yes. WTF do I do?! Obviously we have to have a conversation, but surely i need to wait until I get home. How do i stop him telling anyone we're engaged before then?! @Helenj1977 he clearly isn't feeling the same...he even said he was thinking about getting a fancy ring. from my perspective this holiday has been really tense and we've had several big bust ups...I don't know what he's thinking. I want to cry. help...

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Needsomebottle · 27/06/2019 06:44

Oh I'm so sorry.
But yes, you have to tell him. Not so much for him as for you. If you aren't feeling it when you're on holiday you're not going to when you're back in the daily grind.
Yes it would be awkward to tell him on holiday then not be able to get space travelling home together. But would he be more hurt if you waited until you were home? If you think not just sit him down when you get home before he has chance to tell anyone. Say you've been thinking on the return journey and the fact you didn't feel overcome with excitement made you wonder how wrong things were for you. This should be a really happy time. It's not your fault that it isn't, it's just how life goes sometimes. Don't blame when you talk to him, try and be matter of fact, this is how I feel and so I think we should call it a day. Personally I think that is kindest.

Good luck. I'm sure when you tell him you will feel relief.

hadthesnip2 · 27/06/2019 06:46

I think he's given you your "out". Its obviously not working for you anymore (even without your "affair") & the long distance thing is just making it worse. Perhaps just say that the proposal has made you think & that you just dont feel it anymore.

Whatever you do dont accept the proposal & go along with any marriage plans thinking that it will help you "focus" on your relationship. It wont. It will just paper over the cracks.

CursedDiamond · 27/06/2019 07:26

I guess I feel like I’ve stolen his happy time from him. I think he’ll Be upset whenever I talk to him...I just couldn’t steal the moment from him. Especially as we were quite public. He actually had a more public plan - thank goodness it fell through.

Thing is, we’ve had two HUGE arguments since we’ve been here...it just doesn’t feel like the sort of time to propose. I guess he had the plan and wanted to do it. I did wonder - we’re staying in a nice place. But I also thinks we just ‘should’. I’m nit sure he’s asking for the right reasons.

I’m so sad. I wish I could just be happy. If he’d asked me 6 months ago I’d have been ecstatic. He said he’s been thinking about it for a few years. I wish he hadn’t waited. He thinks now is the time because of kids and he (apparently?! News to me) is going to be moving up with me so ‘things are getting aerious’ (said slightly tongue in cheek).

But honestly...I tested the waters about an open relationship last month. Isn’t he listening, even to the oblique things?!

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CursedDiamond · 27/06/2019 07:32

Sorry, fat fingers. I think HE thinks we should. I’ve never been that interested in getting married and have always been clear on that. So initially thought the question was a spur of the moment thing, so asked why he was asking. Like I said above, he thinks the time is right now...

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Myheartbelongsto · 27/06/2019 13:23

In the nicest possible way, either shit or get off the point.

You cheated on him, you don't even respect him.

Mrsaxelrose · 27/06/2019 13:42

Make sure this other guy is in an open relationship before you make any moves towards him. my husband tells everyone he is in an open relationship which he isn't and the reason im leaving his sorry ass.

RantyAnty · 27/06/2019 15:01

I would just end it.

You two haven't lived together for years and have grown apart. I don't see how he can be happy either living apart for so long.

CursedDiamond · 27/06/2019 16:56

@Myheartbelongsto - I know. I feel guilty about it. It was disrespectful.

@RantyAnty - it’s worked for us for a long time. I think it’s finally become a problem, but he said last night that he wants to move. I think we have some difficult conversations going forward. @Needsomebottle was right with her advice before - cutting contact with the OM was the right thing to do, and while this holiday has been difficult, I have been starting to remember why we were together in the first place. I’ve also been remembering why this relationship has been so hard so often. I needed time to work things out and now I don’t have it, and am going to break his heart and I can’t stand it.

It’s really hard to say ‘just end it’ when this is essentially my whole adult life. Trying to work out how I feel feels so confusing. I know that’s self indulgent, particularly given what I’ve done, and I feel awful about it now. I feel like I’ve ruined everything.

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CursedDiamond · 27/06/2019 17:05

Oh, and @Mrsaxelrose - he is. I know his partner and have met one of her other guys. It’s legit. But there will be no more moves made there from me.

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CursedDiamond · 29/06/2019 12:28

I’m going to try and find a moment today to talk to him. Can someone hold my hand? I’ve been crying all night thinking about this. Every time he hugs me, or kisses me, it sets me off too. I can’t work out how I feel, am all over the place and worrying I’m about to make a huge mistake.

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