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Boyfriend woes - am I being too picky? Sensitive? Am I right?

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BringOutTheTiniestViolin · 15/06/2019 17:50

I'm 45. I met a man who is 54 about 7 months ago. He lives around 200 miles away from me and we just kept in touch - chatted most evenings; got on really well. Just so much in common. We met up a couple of times and still got on really well in person so decided that, despite the distance, we'd give it a go.

The distance isn't actually an issue for me. We get together every 3 weeks on average and spend a long weekend together. It's always good.

On paper, it looks perfect for me. He's busy; I'm busy; I get to be Me and mum most of the time and then Me and girlfriend when I'm with him. And in terms of interests, lifestyle, attitudes, hobbies etc we are more compatible than I've ever been with anyone. My friends really like him, his like me.

We met during the winter when we were both less busy and had plenty of time to chat. We'd be in touch every day but chat two or three times a week properly when we'd have proper conversations - probably akin to being on a date.

But I've noticed that over the past 6 weeks, these have really petered off. I send conversation starter messages and will get "sounds like you had a good time" or "ok, I'll speak to you later" in response, which just totally shuts down the conversation.

Over the past week, messages have been little more than "Morning. How did you sleep? What are you up to today?" and "Just got into bed, I'm shattered. Speak in the morning". Now I know that over the past couple of weeks he's had a lot on work wise but I'm not a priority at all am I?

I know that he is in pretty much daily contact with his ex wife. They are divorced - I've met her; she has a partner; I've also met his family so nothing dodgy going on but he still talks about her in terms of "we". I don't think he has feelings for her, but I think he still sees her as part of his life rather than just his children's mother. So if he and I are together and she messages, not anything important, just chit chat - I see the messages - he doesn't hide them, then he'll take time out to reply. Then she'll respond. He'll complain that this is the start of a huge text exchange, I say, "well if it's not important, you can reply later if you want". He responds with, "well she knows that I'm here and will have seen the messages so I don't want to be rude". And then will proceed to have a 15 minute text exchange with his ex wife while I'm sat there and whilst complaining about it. So that he's not being rude...

On the rare occasions, he does message me earlier in the evening, he's also chatting with other people. I've said a couple of times, "I can see you're busy, we can chat another day when you've got more time" because, frankly, I'm not sitting there having a fragmented small talk catch up with my boyfriend whilst he's also chatting to 3 other people and making plans with his mates. I'm worth more than that. He reassures me he can 'flit' between the conversations. I don't want him to 'flit'. I'm not high maintenance. But I don't think one night a week when we can have a cosy chat, or a conversation about something, without him being distracted by conversations with other people, is too much to ask.

I have talked to him about it. He apologised and said he would be more mindful. But he hasn't been. In addition, there have been a couple of incidents of 'thoughtlessness'. Nothing really bad but things that I've definitely registered and these other things just seem to be attaching themselves onto it.

I'm going to have to end it, aren't I? Such a shame because we actually get on really well but this isn't enough for me. The physical distance isn't an issue in the slightest, but the lack of interest and emotional distance is huge.

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BringOutTheTiniestViolin · 15/06/2019 17:51

Just read that back, my point about his ex wife was that he makes more of an effort to speak to her and respond to her than he does to me.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/06/2019 17:53

He is still emotionally involved with his ex wife and he is also talking to other people.

I would not waste any more time on this man and would now end the relationship. I would just tell him that its no longer working for you and would like to wish him well in future, you do not owe him any more than that.

BringOutTheTiniestViolin · 15/06/2019 17:56

I don't think he's talking to other women. Just having chats with his mates and his daughter but trying to have three conversations at the same time.

So his daughter is a proper conversation; his mate is a trying to sort something out conversation and all he's got head space for me with is a bit of small talk about the day.

I agree that he's not emotionally detached from his ex wife but what I find surprising about it is that they separated about 5 years ago and he had a 2 year relationship with someone else after that. So I can only conclude that she either didn't mind or was more important to him and so it wasn't an issue.

But yep, going to end it. Thanks

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Chilledout11 · 15/06/2019 17:57

He is being quite cold really and this early on in the relationship I would leave it be. You deserve someone better. It's sad that you get on so well but this will grind you down eventually.

BringOutTheTiniestViolin · 15/06/2019 18:00

It's grinding me down already.

Tbh, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't acting hastily in ending it. I do tend to walk away from relationships when others are telling me I'm being too harsh or should just explain or give another chance.

My friends all really like him because we are clearly so well suited in many ways.

I know that I'm going to get a fuckload of eye rolls and "what do you want? The moon on a stick?" type comments for ending it! Just checking it wasn't disordered thinking telling me this is wrong!! Grin

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BringOutTheTiniestViolin · 15/06/2019 18:04

I think we'd have been really good friends but this isn't working for me at all.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/06/2019 18:09

"My friends all really like him because we are clearly so well suited in many ways.

I know that I'm going to get a fuckload of eye rolls and "what do you want? The moon on a stick?" type comments for ending it! Just checking it wasn't disordered thinking telling me this is wrong!!"

Your friends are not in a relationship with him and you know differently. Also many people are not what they seem. Sometimes as well friends opinion is not helpful because they can be overinvested. This is where MN can be helpful.

BringOutTheTiniestViolin · 15/06/2019 18:21

This is where MN can be helpful

That's why I brought it to you helpful lot Wink

My friends see me as a bit of a relationship disaster. I am, but largely because I don't take any shit. I make sure I'm certain and then I act.

They are either in relationships of only a few years old that have worked out really well or they're in marriages that are past their best but they're sticking it out. So their perspectives are all either completely loved up or cyncial and "this is as good as it gets".

I don't think he's an awful man. He just isn't offering the relationship I want. And that's all there is to it.

Thanks for the perspective.

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Unburnished · 15/06/2019 20:00

It sounds like he’s lost interest after the initial chase.

What were the incidents?

Have you discussed any of this with him yet?

Honeyroar · 15/06/2019 20:29

I think you're right. He's actually being quite rude towards you messaging other people while he's taking to you and dropping conversations to not be rude to his ex wife. I'd tell him he was being pretty disrespectful towards you.

BringOutTheTiniestViolin · 15/06/2019 22:47

What were the incidents?

Well, a few weeks ago, we'd planned for me to go down to see him for the week and he told me the day before I was going that a load of his friends were also going down to stay for the weekend. This was after saying that we were going to spend the whole time together having spent the previous weekend I was there with all his friends too.

I did speak to him about that and he apologised for not telling me his plans had changed. I told him that it wasn't the fact that his plans had changed that was the problem as much as he'd also changed my plans without even mentioning to me that it was on the cards.

He did apologise and accept he was in the wrong but there definitely seems to be a lack of interest since then. I know he's busy, I'm not high maintenance or jealous. I'm pretty laid back but I do still expect to be respected.

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BringOutTheTiniestViolin · 15/06/2019 22:50

It sounds like he’s lost interest after the initial chase.

That's what I think too. Either that, or he's progressed the relationship in his head to a point where that's how we spend our time - because a weekend with his mates out of a week doesn't sound too bad.

He was a bit disappointed that I said I'd go down after his mates had gone as it meant we wouldn't be spending a full week together. I just said that was the choice he'd made.

The sad thing is that we actually had a really lovely time when I did go down. But a really good few days every few weeks isn't a relationship if the rest of the time he pretty much ignores me.

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Ohyesiam · 15/06/2019 22:54

I think you can’t be too fussy when it comes to bfs , if you’re not getting your needs met, move on.

BringOutTheTiniestViolin · 16/06/2019 06:42

Thank you. Yes, I'm going to end it. Such a shame because we were 'perfect' for each other in many ways but, whatever the reason, I deserve to be treated better than this.

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Unburnished · 16/06/2019 11:02

It sounds as if he’s treating you with minimum respect and as a ‘stunt’ girlfriend. You simply go and visit once a month and he doesnt have to bother investing in you the rest of the time.

It sounds as if youre very low down on his list of priorities after kids, work, ex-wife and friends.

Chamomileteaplease · 16/06/2019 16:16

Did you have an agreement with regard to contact during the week? I mean, if you had agreed that once a week you would have a proper telephone chat and that hasn't happened then you are within your rights to be annoyed.

But if neither of you have spoken about your expectations then it is a guessing game between you.

Well done for going to visit him after his friends had gone. Hopefully he wouldn't do that again. Maybe a proper chat about how much time you are prepared to give to each other is in order.

BringOutTheTiniestViolin · 16/06/2019 17:29

Chamomile

We are in contact daily but it's not quality contact currently - often just a good morning and then good night message. It was until recently. I spoke to him earlier and I know that he has a lot on his plate at the moment and some of it is, reasonably, causing him some worry and making demands on his time. So I think I've been prepared to give him some leeway because of that.

No. There was no agreement regarding how much contact we would have. I was thinking of broaching it with him and suggesting we have the equivalent of a 'date' night once a week where we don't carry on conversations with other people simultaneously and where it's quality time - albeit 200 miles apart.

Perhaps I should approach it as "this currently isn't working for me because... and this is what I would like to propose..." rather than just ending it.

The thing is that I'm pretty laid back and I think that this might be a case of the squeaky wheels getting the most attention maybe... I am clearly currently down his list of priorities at the moment but grown up me thinks perhaps I ought to give him an opportunity to address it rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater. As it were.

He has already said that he realised he shouldn't have invited his friends without speaking to me.

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BringOutTheTiniestViolin · 16/06/2019 18:32

Well turns out this was a timely thread.

I messaged to ask him if he was still planning on coming to see me as planned but, guess what? He can't. Someone potentially wants him to do something and he can't say no. Or arrange a mutually convenient time.

So it appears I am bottom of the list of priorities (if I even feature on it!!)

My next free weekend isn't until the middle of August. That'll be nearly 3 months since we last saw each other! With little contact, and none of it meaningful, it hardly seems worth it anyway.

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Honeyroar · 16/06/2019 20:19

Not good enough, is it? What did you reply? Perfect timing for the "this isn't working for me", although I think I'd almost rather you said "this isn't good enough for me"!

Unburnished · 16/06/2019 20:26

Sorry to hear that OP, that’s a very poor excuse - ‘somebody might need him’ what on earth does that mean? He’s blown you out for something that’s not even been arranged. He should be dying to see you after only 7 months of being together.

Unburnished · 16/06/2019 20:27

It would also annoy me that even when his plans change, he never thinks to consider you or tell you, you find out by chance!

BringOutTheTiniestViolin · 16/06/2019 20:29

No, it's not good enough. I'm worth more than this.

I haven't replied yet. I wanted to give myself time to formulate a reasoned response. But I quite like yours tbh.

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BringOutTheTiniestViolin · 16/06/2019 20:31

Yes, the not thinking to tell me is an issue. Like I say, I only found out about this because I messaged to ask him if he was still coming.

The last time he changed the plans, it had been arranged for a couple of weeks before he thought to tell me. At the 11th hour.

I'd rather be single that put up with this. After all, he said it himself, long distance isn't easy and would only work if we were both prepared to put the effort in. I have. He won't.

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MsDogLady · 16/06/2019 22:05

You deserve to be his priority, but he is treating you as an afterthought. I would end things now.

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