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I cheated and I am consumed by it

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sadness11 · 11/06/2019 13:52

My partner and I moved in together in a new city after being together 5 years. We both got new jobs (separate). I found it really hard to integrate at my job as everyone was in cliques. There were 3 other co-workers in my immediate team who were all very close and often went out together to the shop, never inviting me. I felt really low there.

After a few months at a work party it was an open bar and I had no food. I ended up getting quite drunk and tried to socialise more. Then at the end myself, and the three other co-workers then went into town afterwards to drink more. I remember going to one bar and then when we got to the second I remember having a drink and then nothing after that for hours. I entered into an alcohol blackout (used to get them a lot when I was at University and single). The next thing I remember is hours later and being in a taxi with one of the three co-workers. I have no idea where the other two were. I didn’t know where I was going in the taxi, but nor did it enter into my head to even question it.

We went back to the co-workers apartment and I was immediately taken into his bedroom. He did foreplay on me (hands only) and I just lay there. He then moved to have sex with me and I put my hand over my ‘private parts’. He then paused for a while then got a condom and proceeded to have sex with me. I didn’t stop him and I didn’t say no. I remained fully clothed apart from my underwear throughout. I didn’t kiss him and didn’t touch him. But I did not stop him. Although I felt too drunk to speak as I remember him saying something to me and I couldn’t respond, yet I found the entire thing very sobering. I remember wanting it to stop while it was happening but not stopping it. Not because of any physical threat but just because I am a weak person who struggles in general with saying no. I feel like the way I’ve wrote that makes it sound awful but I was probably making all the right noises for him as he was a very good looking and charismatic person that I would have fancied had I been single. However, my relationship really was perfect with my partner. There was no reason for me to do this other than pure selfishness.

After it ended I got up grabbed my things and ran out without a word. It was daylight and I have no idea how. So much of the evening is missing and I have no sense of timings of anything.
It’s been four years since that night and I am consumed with grief and guilt. I’ve been with my partner since who has no clue and now we are engaged to be married. The co-worker and I barely spoke after that and then he moved away around 6 months later, as did the other two co-workers. He was also in a relationship at the time and is still with the girl.

I know if I told my partner he would never see me in the same light and I think it is very unlikely he would be able to forgive me. This is made worse by the fact he recently had an emotional affair with a colleague that I have forgiven but gave him absolute hell over. I feel like a hypocrite but probably would have ended it with him if this hadn’t happened to me. I was able to think to myself that people do make mistakes. Since then we have been so good and I am so happy with him. But I fret about this on a daily basis. I guess I just wanted to offload my experience somewhere.

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bebeboeuf · 11/06/2019 19:03

Bluechairs Hmm

Robin2323 · 11/06/2019 20:29

As pp said sounds like you got a spiked drink.
You need to talk to someone who can assure you it want your fault.
I don't think you do need to tell dp because it could go either way and you really need a loveing stable relationship right now to keep things normal whiie you heal.

Robin2323 · 11/06/2019 20:30

'Wasn't your fault'

Pikapikachooo · 11/06/2019 22:09

Sounds like sexual assault rather than cheating OP

Cheating would be passionate and you fancies them . This was alcohol back out and a sexual assault from someone rapey twat who can only get women when they are wasted

So as a starter for ten you need to rebrand this in your head . I am sorry this happened

But concerned you are berating yourself when in fact you were assaulted

crispysausagerolls · 11/06/2019 23:17

I don’t understand why people think the drink was spiked - OP has said she often used to black out when drinking.

lovebeingmum9 · 12/06/2019 11:44

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Pikapikachooo · 12/06/2019 11:55

flirting,kissing,dancing and still able to walk and remember the forplay and sex? of course it's cheating

I actually reported that post

Nowhere did she mention any of what you state . That’s a gross assumption on your part . Sometimes you need to tread delicately online

lovebeingmum9 · 12/06/2019 11:59

I said presumably she did those things?
why would you report when all I have given is a big difference of opinion?

Maddy762 · 12/06/2019 12:06

She stated she never kissed him.

Biancadelrioisback · 12/06/2019 12:12

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Pikapikachooo · 12/06/2019 12:16

I get it’s a difference of opinion

But sexual assaults is a
Massive big deal with far reaching trauma
As evidenced here

So to state that a victim did things when she didn’t state them in her
Post is possible very damaging

This isn’t a parking debate , it’s a serious issue and I think you should be very careful
When you accuse someone who seems to have been sexually assaulted of ‘flirting’

She didn’t say she she did

It’s a big deal and worth treading carefully, words on a screen should be used carefully in cases like this

lovebeingmum9 · 12/06/2019 12:17

@maddy762
she said she didn't touch or kiss him while explaining what was happening in bed......but in the lead up to that (the moments op doesn't remember) in the bars or cab would she have flirted,danced,kissed etc is what I meant.....If op had wrote she was raped in her post then I wouldn't question that at all! but she has aknoledged she cheated and everyone else is saying it was rape?

lovebeingmum9 · 12/06/2019 12:29

@biancadelrioisback I totally agree nobody can consent when drunk....but they were both drinking/drunk?
@Pikapikachooo I didn't state she did do those things I used presumably which means maybe,possibly,likely? it's also very damaging to mention sexual assault and rape without treading extremely carefully and with more info than what's been written? I thought the majority of comments would be advising op weather to tell partner or not and when I saw so many saying it was rape I obviously feel the need to write my opinion too.

Biancadelrioisback · 12/06/2019 12:35

So? He is the one with the penis. You need a penis to rape someone. He should only ever put it in someone when he knows the consent. You can't consent when drunk so OP wasn't able to consent here. Therefore it was rape.
If he was so drunk he doesn't remember raping someone, does that make it okay because he was drunk?

sadness11 · 12/06/2019 12:37

Hi all thanks for all the comments. I honestly don't know what to think. I don't know if any of you have been in an alcohol blackout before but it is the strangest thing. It is like being asleep and not dreaming, there is just blackness. I have spent so much time over the years trying to remember any snippet of memories from that night when in the bars/clubs but there is nothing, it is just black. I don't have any idea where I was, who I was with or what I was doing. I could have been put on a plane to Timbuktu and I wouldn't have known or questioned it. I did ask the guy if I kissed him or anyone else on the night out and he said no. That's the only information I have about that evening. So what was I doing? Who is to say? He would have been drunk too and he knew, I believe, when I covered my private parts that I was not 'playing with myself'. It was to stop him. And I know that because he did stop and paused for quite some time. I feel like it wasn't rape because I didn't stop him again when he tried again. I relive it so many times knowing that was the moment I should have got out. I feel like there is a black stain on me and I will never have peace of mind. But the alternative of telling him would blow up my life in a far worse way. I'm grateful to people who have not been cruel to me.

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DeptfordDervish · 12/06/2019 12:40

it's also very damaging to mention sexual assault and rape without treading extremely carefully and with more info than what's been written? I thought the majority of comments would be advising op weather to tell partner or not and when I saw so many saying it was rape I obviously feel the need to write my opinion too.

Your opinion is dim-witted, speculative and victim-blaming, @lovebeingmum9. This isn't a thread about parking across dropped kerbs.

MonicaAnn · 12/06/2019 12:42

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DeptfordDervish · 12/06/2019 12:44

OP, be kind to yourself, and seek some form of counselling specifically for survivors of sexual assault. All the questions you are asking yourself are classically those asked by women who've been assaulted or raped. Many of those women come on here asking a completely different question, and are taken aback by other posters saying they did not consent. You were not in a position to consent to sex. Please stop framing it as you being unfaithful to your fiancé.

DeptfordDervish · 12/06/2019 12:46

Reported, @MonicaAnn

user1481840227 · 12/06/2019 12:46

Alcohol blackouts basically mean that you can't remember and won't ever be able to remember because your brain didn't actually record the memories of what was going on!

I had a kind of similar situation when I was underage with a much older man, I remember it all but I actually was so naive and thought he was just looking after me and giving me a place to sleep, instead he gave me a glass of whiskey and when I trying to go to sleep he came in and had sex with me, I couldn't move or say anything.

BogglesGoggles · 12/06/2019 12:53

Honestly, if you were that drunk I really don’t see anyone could call that cheating. Maybe they don’t understand though. To put it into persepective when I am drunk I will literally drag the first man into bed with me. I would never in a million years do that sober but that’s what I’m like when I’m drunk. Obviously I don’t get drunk ever as a result because once I am drunk I have zero control. Regardless of what OP was doing in the parts she can’t remember she would have been too drunk to have any real self control. You really didn’t cheat. If my husband came to me and told me what you have said I wouldn’t think he had cheated. Please forgive yourself. You really haven’t done anything wrong.

ClarkeMurphy · 12/06/2019 12:58

OP, I honestly think you need to seek some real life help for this. You are still dealing with the trauma of it and that is not at all surprising. If you haven't already I would really recommend counselling to offer a safe space to talk through what has happened to you and begin to come to terms with it.

Feeling guilty is not an uncommon response to being sexually assaulted or raped, unfortunately.

rapecrisis.org.uk/get-help/not-sure-where-to-start/

lovebeingmum9 · 12/06/2019 12:59

@sadness11
I in no way have meant to cause you any offence or upset and apologise if i have very unintentionally! Flowers you acknowledged in your title that you had cheated so I didn't come on to question that,when others said it was rape I was just shocked....but if you do believe in any way that it was rape and there is more to this than I originally thought from your original post then im sorry and hope you get the correct advise and guidance....i feel the word rape has to be used very carefully aswell which is why I was quick to give alternative opinion....
i only came to give friendly advise that I thought being truthful with your fiancee would clear your feelings of guilt and clear the slate for your future marriage.best of luck!

Worrynot1 · 12/06/2019 13:23

That's rape, you have to decide how to take it forward either formally (shit hits the fan) be prepared for fallout or keep it quiet but it will eat at you. I used to work with a girl who would get drunk and into situations where more than one occasion I would have to put her in a taxi home, which is exactly what you colleagues should have done.

Biancadelrioisback · 12/06/2019 13:35

Sorry OP, I hope you didn't misinterpreted what I was trying to say earlier. I said repeatedly that you cannot consent when drunk and I believe that 100%.
You don't need to fight someone off or shout "no" or "stop" etc for it to be rape. He had sex with you, you didn't have sex together. You didn't want to have sex. You tried to stop. He didn't.
Please take the advice of the wonderful women on here and try and get some help to come to terms with this. Please don't repress it and try to forget. You owe yourself peace.