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What advice would you give a friend in this situation?

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rodentforce · 06/06/2019 21:51

A good friend of mine, let’s call her Zelda (not her real name), has been married for 8-ish years. Around 5 years ago she had an affair with a colleague - let’s call him Xavier. They were serious and planned a future together, and Zelda even broke up with her husband. When she did that, Xavier dropped her immediately. Zelda’s husband took her back. (Before you feel too sorry for him, bear in mind that he was married when he met Zelda, he had an affair with her, and he only left his wife after she found out and confronted him.)

Since Xavier ended the affair, he has been a bit of a shit: it seems that he wants to keep Zelda dangling. He goes through cycles of bombarding her with messages, showing that he cares, and as soon as she grows attached to him again, he drops her and ignores her. Zelda is quite emotionally fragile and suffers from depression and anxiety, and of course this stupid thing with Xavier does not help at all. Xavier is basically a pathetic manchild - he is in his 40s but lives with his parents, he occasionally has girlfriends but nothing serious, and he contacts Zelda even when he is in a relationship with someone else.

I have told Zelda not to believe Xavier when he says he cares - all he wants is to get her attention so his ego can get a massage. I have told her that the only way this is going to stop is if she completely ignores him and does not respond to him at all. I have urged her to apply for jobs elsewhere so she does not have to encounter him regularly. She kind of agrees with all of this but she is still obviously attached to him and - at least on some level - believes him when he says he cares. She is really, really not helping herself.

I have also urged Zelda to consider whether she really wants to stay in her marriage. She hardly ever talks about her husband (who I’ve never met) but it seems obvious that she is not happy in her marriage, otherwise she would not be looking elsewhere. She is stuck in a limbo: I think she can only move on from Xavier if she finds happiness with someone else, but that’s not going to happen when she insists on staying in an unfulfilling marriage. I’ve tried telling Zelda all this, but she sort of blanks me - she won’t discuss it, and when I once sent her a long email about this, she didn’t talk to me for a few months. While I consider Zelda a good friend, most of our communication is by email because we live far from each other - so I’ve never actually spoken to her about her husband face to face.

There is an obvious point which I have never mentioned to Zelda: the fact that she is not treating her husband fairly. I don’t mention it because she struggles so hard to remain positive, and she fairly easily slides into feeling depressed and anxious. I don’t want to make her feel worse.

What advice would you give Zelda if she was your friend? Bear in mind I care about her deeply and so dropping a potentially hurtful truth bomb (like, you’re being unfair to your husband) is not an option.

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username888888 · 06/06/2019 22:16

It sounds like you have tried you best to give her good advice. She doesn't want/isn't ready to listen. Sometimes as much as it might hurt you to watch you have to let people make their mistakes.

Moralitym1n1 · 06/06/2019 22:21

To be harshly honest - I'd give less of a fuck about Zelda. She'll do what she wants to do and learn her own lessons. (Plus she was a knowing (?) other woman who helped break up a marriage & probably devastated her now husband's ex so she's hardly some sweet, gentle blossom).

TheHammock · 06/06/2019 22:25

I'd ignore the situation.

There's no abuse. Just a woman who needs the validation of a marriage I think.

She left once but only when she thought she had a shore to swim to.

To be blunt, her husband is not your friend. This is not where your loyalties lie. If Zelda is your friend accept her weaknesses if you care deeply for her. It sounds like her weakness is that she's too scared to break free of her marriage and she looks for excitement with Xavier. So she is stuck. Never moving on. Xavier meets some of her needs. Her husband meets some of her needs. She won't learn to be self-sufficient. But people have worse lives than a woman who can't leave a marriage to be independent.

Perhaps on a practical level, I might praise women who had taken a risk. Left one safe house (relationship, job, house) without knowing for certain how things would turn out but just trusting that they would figure it out and that they would be happy regardless.

rodentforce · 07/06/2019 10:49

Wise words, everyone - thank you! This all helped me formulate a message to her just now.

The main issue I was having is that she likes me to bitch about Xavier with her, which I am happy to do, but after a while it makes me feel like a bit of a crappy friend because I'm just helping perpetuate her cycle of being picked up and then dropped.

I sent her a long message saying (kindly) that unless she makes some big changes, this is all going to keep happening. I suggested that if she won't leave her marriage, then she at least ought to apply for jobs elsewhere. She is excelling in her career and could walk into a job in any number of places ... I don't really understand why she hasn't already done that. Oh well. Nothing I have said to her is new, but it seems important to say it even so.

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TheHammock · 07/06/2019 22:40

I wonder if she will come back to you with a text with suggestions about how you could improve your life !

FuriousVexation · 07/06/2019 23:13

What's Xavier's husband called? I'm confused. Could you not just use the standard MN abbrvs, it's so much less confusing.

rodentforce · 10/06/2019 10:02

@TheHammock Oh, she does ☺️ She is super wise about men and has given me tons of great advice in the days when I was involved with awful men. I guess this is part of why I feel it's important to give her the best advice I can think of. But she hasn't replied to my message ... at this stage I think we can just have an unspoken agreement that I'm not going to state the bleeding obvious. She knows I'm here for her if she needs me.

@FuriousVexation I used 2 names ...? I'm sorry you found this so confusing.

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