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Needy boyfriend improved, I feel hesitant

17 replies

ruudustik · 06/06/2019 14:20

How do I get over the past? At first my boyfriend of a couple of years was rather needy, resulting in me cutting back from my friends and activities. He was passive-aggressive and made me feel bad, claiming that I do not spend enough time with him and so on. Then he somewhat "punished" me mentally (like sulking) afterwards when he initially agreed with my stuff and so. I do not know even how severe it was, but I felt it was not ok. I tend to be too caring and worried about other people, also, so easy target I guess. I finally put my foot down and things improved. There are also other stuff that I do not feel too good about in our relationship, he lacks some traits I'd like, for example. But overall he is a good, very loving and caring boyfriend, plans things to do, does his fair share in household chores etc. But I keep thinking about the other traits and I'm feeling in limbo whether to continue it. I feel in some points he is really a catch and I've seen he can improve and listen to what I'm telling him. But at the same time, I feel it incredibly hard to get past the previous issues and the feelings inside me, that I actually do not even know anymore how should I behave in the relationship. Currently, it seems fine for him if I hang with my friends or do my stuff, but I do not exactly know when it will not be fine. Whenever a thing comes up (related to my activities or friends), I actually feel frightened deep down and I gather my courage to tell him that I want to go to this or that thing. He now responds normally and is supportive even. So it has improved, I need less time for gathering myself, but I still do it. How do I get past it if I decide to continue the relationship? Should I get past it? It's not easy to talk to him about it, we have had these discussions several times and actually every time I get the impression that we actually want different level of time spent together and that basically he just accepts my level, but is not happy for it inside (it's not what he is telling my directly, but my conclusion). Thus I fear that maybe he blows up at some point if I get used to living the way I want to? It's not like I'm a social butterfly, but I do have a few friends to meet occasionally and things to do during the week. Most of my free time is spent with him, however. I would not mind spending less time together (I'd even prefer it), so this is my compromise to our relationship. He is also insecure in himself and has sort of victim mentality from time to time (I guess it is in him all the time, but recently he has been better at not showing it).

I've read so many stories about nasty relationships and abuse and so that I am so frightened that perhaps if I continue he will turn to absolute abuser also, as I've seen some red flags already. But at the same time, maybe I cannot think clear, because there are absolutely more good times than bad and I really have read sooooo much about abuse that perhaps I'm trying to find the signs.

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Glitterfisher · 07/06/2019 06:55

Personally I don't think it should be that hard in relationship. It doesn't sound particularly healthy, you are having to over think things way too much. My XH was similar. It was hard work and I realise that it was partly me, with now DH we sometimes spend all our free time together and it's great, other times we may have lots of plans with friends. Neither should be an issue.

Teateaandmoretea · 07/06/2019 07:14

Seriously? Run for your life. He sounds controlling and no relationship should involve you having to put your partner through improvement training. There is obviously a link between controlling behaviour and abuse which is the red flag you are seeing. You have dated for a while, he has failed to come up to your expectations so move on.

OrdinaryGirl · 07/06/2019 07:24

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You're using the word 'needy' when the right word is 'controlling'.

Divinelyuninspired · 07/06/2019 07:26

You don’t trust him as you know it’s all an act. You don’t owe him anything. Just call it a day. Have you posted before a few times?

booboo24 · 07/06/2019 07:32

I'd personally give him the benefit of the doubt for now, act normally, don't beat around the bush when telling him of your plans and see how he handles it. It could be that he was insecure early on and has now relaxed. if everything else is good then it's a positive he's worked on himself

ascertainer · 07/06/2019 07:43

OP communication is key in any relationship especially in intimate relations. Unfortunately most of us are not very good at it. If you find it hard to talk to him and not sure about the changes he is making please write him a letter and leave it for him to read when your not around. Best Wishes.

QueenOfTheCroneAge · 07/06/2019 07:46

You should NEVER feel frightened to tell a boyfriend of your plans ffs!

Lweji · 07/06/2019 07:48

It's relevant that things improved because you've put your foot down, meaning he didn't want to lose you.

The problem is that in all likelihood, as soon as he feels he has you safe (marriage, children, SAHM?) he's likely to go back to his old controlling ways.

PurpleWithRed · 07/06/2019 07:56

Why stay in a relationship that makes you uncomfortable? Leaving will be an upheaval but not impossible. Could you live the rest of your life like this?

PicsInRed · 07/06/2019 07:57

What Lweji said.

This is a type. They escalate at points of increased powerlessness life change, such as moving in, marriage, pregnancy, birth.

These are all points at which you are more "stuck" and it's quite deliberate.

I wish to God I had mumsnet as a cohabiting engaged woman. Too late for me and many others - I'm stuck with mine until kids age out.

Don't make the same mistake. These guys don't change, they hide it, then get even worse (in part to punish you for originally standing up for yourself) once your marry/get pregnant.

This is the time. Leave.

NameChangeNugget · 07/06/2019 08:03

Sorry OP, he sounds hideous

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/06/2019 08:13

Why indeed stay in a relationship that makes you feel uncomfortable?.

What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up?

Relationships should not be such hard work honestly. He is not your fixer upper to try and relationship train. Unfortunately how you described yourself, "I tend to be too caring and worried about other people, also, so easy target I guess" made you more attractive for an abuser like this (and sulking is an example of emotional abuse) to get his claws into.

I think too he has ramped up the power and control against you over time and on the few occasions you have called him out on this, he has reined it back in. But make no mistake, this is who he is and he will not change. Have a look at his parents too OP, what are they like towards each other?. That will also give you clues.

Abuse also is not about communication or a perceived lack of, its about power and control. I would therefore make plans to extricate yourself from this asap. Enrolling yourself onto the Freedom Programme run by Womens Aid could also help you going forward as well.

Lamentations · 07/06/2019 09:23

He's just a boyfriend. You don't like him that much. He's a bit of a loser. Walk away!

velourvoyageur · 07/06/2019 10:46

OP you seem really nice but you post about this guy all the time and you get the same answers, basically you're not compatible & you seem very unhappy in this relationship. Have you thought about why you're so reluctant to break up with him properly and be single?

ruudustik · 07/06/2019 11:05

So good to read your replies.

When I think he has changed, something again comes up. Like last night. I have a particular activity I'm engaged in, which I really love. I have cut down time spent on it due to him. Especially around a year back, when I said to him that during summer I will not participate in this activity, reasoning that the summer events are rather exhausting and not that much of fun (but still very great events)(around 3-4 events during summer, half a day each). Partly it was because I genuinely did not want to due to the reason given to him, but partly it was also in order to keep him happy. So last night I told him I will participate in one of the summer event again this year, just told him rather casually in the end of one conversation when we were having fun and everything was good. He right that moment went in a little "sulking mode" for a few moments and mumbled "well you told that you do not want to do those events during summer". I told him that yes, but a year has gone by and I've like recovered from the negative sides of these events and would like to give it a go again. Then he said nothing. We sat silently in front of the TV for about 20 minutes and I was like - what am I supposed to do? should I ask him if his upset? Should I explain more myself? Does he think this or that? I decided to leave it, because I am actually tired of me doing all the work in those situations, and many times such situation have turned into tiring discussions. I figured that if he has a problem, he should sort it and tell me what bugs him. He did not touch the topic again, we started talking about other stuff and he was fine and fun again.

It was so weird. I mean I think it is OK if people change their minds or whatever. If he told me something like this, I would perhaps be a little surprised but I would just friendly ask him why has he decided this way this year, heard his reasoning and accepted it because it is a no big deal. Instead, he sulked, mumbled and said nothing at all when I shortly explained myself. He did not even say "ok" as a response, nothing at all.

Yes, I think I cannot live like this forever. You actually confirmed my fear that even if he improves now, then perhaps future life difficulties or changes would bring the same issue up again. It's just that he is so good in many ways, it's a pity to lose the wonderful side of him. And reading the stories of other women all over the internet, it actually feels like I've won a good prize with just some little annoyances compared to so much bigger problems women are facing. Is it really worth to change something that is 75% good to potential life-time loneliness or something that might be less than 75% good as it seems to be in so many cases...

No, I haven't posted before. But this question signals to me that I might not be the only one struggling with similar issues? I will dig deeper in mumsnet and read others' stories as well.

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crystalize · 07/06/2019 12:23

OP I was shocked reading your post as your partner could have been mine! Right down to the silent bit on the sofa. It's like textbook behaviour, I'm gobsmacked at discovering so many have very similar traits. I only discovered all this after we split 6 months ago when looking for advice and found this mumsnet forum.

Like yours, my partner too had a wonderful side. He was generous, funny, sexy. It took a long time to realize the subtle manipulative, sulky behaviour that made me feel on edge and nervous about telling him about any activities or plans with friends. I think because I was blinded by 'love' hot sex and hadn't had a serious relationship for many years, I would too easily let it go as he would win me over with his 'wonderful side'. But over time (we were together about 20 months) I started to wake up and realize what he was doing was really pissing me off. I wish I had discovered the forums on here during that time as I know I would have ended it sooner and avoided an awful holiday that finally killed it for me.

Like queenofroneage said, you should never feel worried about telling your boyfriend any plans. Something that is 75% good will eventually be meaningless as over time he will revert back to type. As for worrying about potentially having a lifetime of loneliness.. it sounds like you are a lovely person and have a fulfilling social life and friends. Being in a relationship doesn't have to define you. I am so much happier now being single and hopefully with what I have learnt (and continue to learn) will not attract that type of man again into my life.

Despite his great side, he is ultimately a controlling asshole. You deserve better. Flowers

velourvoyageur · 07/06/2019 12:31

oh right, if you're going to fib, OP...
same posting style, very long posts & exactly the same issues each time - yeah maybe it would help

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