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How do I handle this difficult conversation?

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wheresmymojo · 04/06/2019 14:47

I have a close group of about 10 female frjends, we've all been friends for 10 years plus.

As with any group - some of us have MH issues (I have bipolar, a couple with intermittent anxiety or depression, some with no issues).

One friend, let's call her Claire, has been off work for 2.5 years and in and out of a private hospital with anxiety disorder and depression.

Claire has a reputation for being high maintenance even before she was ill...this would include things like:

  • Being very flakey on commitments, cancelling at the last minute to do something else or because she couldn't be bothered (including cancelling on me the day before when I asked her to accompany me to an abortion clinic, so I went alone and sobbed the whole time - she cancelled to "revise for her driving theory test")
  • Being very awkward during times when we are arranging group trips and then dropping out at the last minute sometimes the day before a flight and then asking if she can get her money back
  • Making reasonably disastrous life choices leaving the rest of us feeling quite stressed on her behalf (e.g. sleeping with married boss 3 days into a new job on a works night out and then leaving said job because she was too embarrassed to face colleagues)

So that was before she was ill. Since she's been ill she has cancelled last minute on lots of commitments. No-one had a problem with this as obviously she's been struggling with her MH.

However she has also done the following:

  • Lied about the reasons for cancelling (e.g. saying babysitting niece when several of us are FB friends with her sister and can see they're all away for the weekend)
  • Twice made silly decisions we all warned her against about taking on pets (a street cat flown over from Dubai, then a dog) which she has then given back after a few days. Some of us are very much animal lovers so this was pretty shocking to us
  • Drink driving (after heavy amounts of alcohol - she really could have killed herself or someone else)
  • Lashing out at people not being supportive when they say they disagree with something she has done or said (causing that friend to be in tears)
  • Constantly moans about being 'poor' despite being on 2/3 of a good salary (£80k+) while she's been off work in front of people working extremely hard who also have MH issues for much less money but then going on lots of holidays

Her MH issues have made her incredibly sensitive (her own words) so you are left feeling that you are waking on eggshells around her.

In addition she has very little self-awareness and doesn't seem to realise she has any negative impact on other people.

Everything has come to a head this weekend - she felt people were 'being off' with her. A number of people have said they needed to pull back a bit for the sake of their own MH so I think this is what she was picking up on.

She has now sent a message saying she no longer wants to be in contact with this group of friends (with the exclusion of me).

She fully believes that the other women in the group have been 'mean' to her because she cancelled commitments due to her anxiety.

I'm seeing her on Friday and I know it's a big list of other stuff (I haven't listed everything, there's more) and I don't think it's right that I let her continue with this very wrong impression.

Equally, I don't want to upset her to the degree I cause her MH to get worse again and a big list of things she's done to alienate people isn't going to help.

The other aspect is I don't believe that anxiety/depression are the cause of much of this behaviour (except the cancellations which we're fine with). What I can't decide though is whether she's actually just not a good person or whether she has something like Borderline Personality Disorder?

And if she does have BPD, can you really just overlook things she does? Where do you draw the line between being supportive of someone and withdrawing from someone who can be toxic at times?

Sorry - long post! Any help appreciated

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TeaForTheWin · 04/06/2019 14:53

I would have said bpd (or npd) too (But a lot of bipolar people are also bpd so she could be both?)

Not that it matters cause either way, she's a cunt. It is so common for cluster b personalities to claim shit like 'depression' because they think it excuses their bullshit too. Even if it was that (and clearly she was a cow beforehand so it wasn't) it still isn't an excuse for being a flakey assed friend who causes endless drama.

Get shot of her.

Moneybegreen · 04/06/2019 14:56

Some people who have MH problems are also dickheads.

MH problems are not a free pass for drink driving, shagging married men, or being a shit friend.

I sympathise with people who have issues - I have a long history of anxiety myself. But I still have a conscience and don't break the law or endanger other people's lives.

I'd step back from her regardless of her reasons for her behaviour.

wheresmymojo · 04/06/2019 14:57

I've thought that's probably the answer but I end up feeling so guilty.

She's cut all contact off with her family (parents and sister).

Now she's cutting contact with what was her main friendship group.

She hasn't worked for nearly 3 years so no colleagues.

Other friends she used to have have disappeared over time usually because of her behaviour.

I feel like I'm the only one left which leaves me with a lot of guilt especially as I have MH issues myself and so have found it hard to draw a line (even though I usually have very strong boundaries).

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Walkamileinmyshoesbeforeujudge · 04/06/2019 14:59

Sounds like she won't be happy until she has self destructed.
Alienating herself isn't really your problem.
Don't feel guilty op, but bet she cancels on you anyway!

TeaForTheWin · 04/06/2019 15:03

Stop feeling guilty. See all those other friends and family that she HAD, yeah well they realised something you haven't - she's toxic and toxic can't be helped or fixed, it only spreads to everything around it.

Also she's minted and being taken care of in a private hospital, she's better off than most people in terms of getting help for her 'mental health'. Save your pity for those who deserve it (...and don't treat you like crap). Give yourself permission to start distancing yourself. For the sake of your own mental wellbeing if nothing else.

Aussiebean · 04/06/2019 15:07

Her mental health issues don’t trump your mental well-being.

If this friendship is causing you stress you need to back away for your own sake.

justilou1 · 04/06/2019 15:10

Sounds like she will bleed you dry if you don’t clarify things ASAP! She’s an energy vampire!!!

wheresmymojo · 04/06/2019 15:30

How would you handle taking a step back or 'getting shot'?

I'm concerned that it will end up with her being suicidal...not because I think I'm so brilliant no-one can live without my friendship although of course I am brilliant but because she's been suicidal regularly the past couple of years.

I've been a bit of a crutch to her in the past and even though I've massively retreated (after a couple of big fall outs resulting from her being quite nasty) over the past few years I think me cutting off contact might trigger her MH issues.

Should I take the opportunity now to explain to her why some of us have pulled back and use that to go NC?

Or should I try and inch away softly softly (which I've been trying to do for about 1-2 years)...

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EileenAlanna · 04/06/2019 15:47

If you know who her doctor is I'd write/email the surgery & say you have concerns for her mental health/potential for suicide as she's about to lose the last of her existing friendship network & would appreciate it if they would take that into account & if they feel it necessary arrange a welfare visit.
It sounds like you've already gone the extra mile & should prioritise your own well-being for now.

MyGastIsFlabbered · 04/06/2019 16:19

I have borderline personality disorder. I've never slept with a married man, cancelled plans for flaky reasons, lied about why I've cancelled or let people down regularly. Having a personality disorder doesn't give you carte blanche to ride roughshod over anyone who gets in your way or treat people like crap.

TeaForTheWin · 04/06/2019 16:24

Stop worrying about what she 'might' do. Eileenalannas suggestion is good though. Do that and then cut all contact. No dragging it out. Literally fall off the face of the earth as far as she is concerned and block all contact.

If you want to send her a text/email telling her that you are done first then fine but don't go explaining anything to her, it'll fall on deaf ears and the chances are she will spin it round on you and make you feel guilty.

These sorts don't tend to let you distance yourself. If they sense you pulling away, they drag you back with their nails stuck into you. Best to make a clean, quick break.

pigeonscooing · 04/06/2019 16:29

She's going to guilt you into remaining friends isn't she?

Don't fall for it. You are gaining nothing from this friendship, and you are not her last resort for holding it all together.

wheresmymojo · 04/06/2019 17:10

Ugh...I think I've been avoiding this moment for a couple of years Sad

I'm going to draft an email now and get DH to look at it.

I know enough about where she's being treated to give them a heads up.

I don't know whether to contact her parents - she's no contact with them at the moment but I'm thinking maybe they should know she's now also cut off from friends so at least they know the situation.

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sonjadog · 04/06/2019 17:22

I wouldn't be friends with someone who did even half of that stuff because I think that a lot is the sign of an unpleasant person more than MH problems. However, you have stayed friends with her so that doesn't help much. I think what I would do in your scenario is become really unavailable. Meet her on Friday if you feel you must, but make it an hour before you need to go somewhere. Don´t have another opportunity to see her for a few weeks. Be slow to answer messages. It might not have to be all or nothing here regarding the friendship. I think you could try first to get it within parametres that you are happy with.

justilou1 · 04/06/2019 21:33

I think you know also that a lot of people with BPD use the threat of suicide/fake suicide attempts/even genuine ones to manipulate the people in their lives when things don’t go the way they want. If she chooses this option, it is still her choice.

TeaForTheWin · 04/06/2019 23:06

I would normally say contact the parents but not this time as she isn't in touch with them and could take it as you shit-stirring. Couldn't harm to give the medical professionals a heads up though, before you block all contact.

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