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INSECURITY EATING ME ALIVE........

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Tommo1978 · 22/05/2019 20:00

Hello.

I apologise for the length of the thread and it may be something you wish to read on the metro, if it’s a long trip! I thought it required to give an objective view and explain the state of my mental health at present. Whilst this may seem over dramatic, if I don’t get some clarity or some guidance from a neutral source, things may get worse for me to the point where I will become my own worst enemy.

First of all, I am engaged to my partner and we have 1 boy and girl in secondary school and all the trials and tribulations that go along with that, exams etc. I have been with my partner for 15 years and this is not an overstatement that she is the centre of my world, I adore the ground she walks on. Somewhere in my head there is an insecurity that tries to convince me she does not think the same. Not for any reason, I am insecure, I just don’t know why. I treat her well, don’t raise my voice to her, help around the house (though not to her high standard!) we get away for weekends when we can and when we enjoy ourselves. It is also important to note that I fancy her 1000%, she is the most attractive person that I know and in the bedroom department, things are never an issue, when we are away from the pressures of work and kids.

A while ago, I had some very serious issues with work, all of this I kept to myself as my partner worries and suffers from anxiety, so I kept it all in, dealt with it and moved on. I found a new job which was really good, I was challenged and enjoyed the work. I did not notice my partners misery until a night with some friends after a few drinks my partner accused me of taking her for granted, having an affair. I have never ever cheated on her, ever, nor would I, I love her so much. I tried to understand why she would say these things. There was a girl that I worked with regularly, but things were solely professional. I also had 2-3 nights away a month, but would enjoy a nice meal and few beers at the company’s expense and that would be it. Things went along for a week or two and she began to tell me that I had become too involved in work and was spending less time with her. She also said that “she didn’t care if I was having an affair”. (I WAS NOT HAVING AN AFFAIR!!!!) This cut me like a knife and I realised something had to change. I could not get away from the nights away, some were too far away, but would drive back if they were feasible, I also stopped working late to get things done and began, better late than never I guess, to readjust my life. A few weeks later, she went on a hen-do and, after what was said, I feared the worst. I spoke to her a couple of times when she was away, but for 2 of the 4 days, no contact. She explained this as time for her to get away and not have to worry about kids, cats (one has been ill for while), school etc. And this made sense to me. She also said that I was away a lot (even though I always phoned) and she deserved some time away. I suppose she is right, but I have always phoned when I have been away for 2 days with work. We do not agree on the fact that the two are the same, work is work and I have to get on with these people and nothing has ever happened. Truth is, no-one measures up to her anyway. I don’t think it would be the same, passionately, with anyone different, such is the feeling I have for her. A recent night away, my partner and I were in bed, pretty much the whole night away, from check in to check out.

When she came back from the hen-do, she told me that there was a (married) bloke who was after her and made his feelings known, nothing happened and that she missed me. We were intimate for pretty much every night of the week she came back, then, as routine started back in, it (you know what) went back to maybe once a week. For someone of insecure tendencies like me, the increased passion over this week, convinced me she was feeling guilty. A week later I found out her sister (married) had exchanged phone numbers with one of the blokes mates. Again, this sent my insecure mind into overdrive. I do not know why I am so insecure, maybe because I think she could do better than me, she is gorgeous and I worship the ground she walks on. I occasionally get attention when I am (rarely) out with mates and I know I am not an ugly bloke, but no-one measures up to my partner. She was honest with me and showed me the pictures of the hen-do and that reassured me (from what I saw anyway), but she doesn’t understand that the reason I am insecure is because I think that blokes see her the way I do. We recently went away and we walked into a bar and I held the door (as I always do) and as she walked in, I dropped my phone and followed a few paces behind. Every bloke in the room eyed her up.

Anyway, as time moved on, I knocked the extra hours working on the head, started to use the expenses policy wisely (having the family and her alone sometimes stay over when I am away for example). Things were okay and I found a new job which meant she could give up her work, which was getting her down. I thought that the giving up of her work would somehow revert to the week when she came back from the hen-do. She explains that “life gets in the way” and I suppose she is right. For me, I fancy her so much and the reasons of “being tired” “being anxious about the kids at school” “anxious about money” or others, to me is a reason that she doesn’t fancy me anymore. The weird thing is, I have been through so much in my life and dealt with it, I don’t understand why I think like this. It is almost like a devil on my shoulder says “she is too good for you” “she could do much better” “she’s only with you for security” etc. Maybe I feel like this because without her and the kids, I don’t really have anyone else, my mum died a while ago and my dad is a absent part of all our lives, living away and takes no interest in us or anyone else apart from himself. My partner is close to her sister, who is a similar age. I get on with her and she says sometimes (after a vodka or two) that she thinks my partner does not appreciate me.

My partner recently went out and she was texting all week, late into the evening to her sister and friends. Nothing wrong with that I hear you say. I have no secrets from my partner and she regularly uses my phone too look stuff up. There is nothing on my phone that is a secret. Anyway, when she was in the bath, waiting to go out, the insecure part of me suggested I take a look. All the chat to her sister had been deleted. I found this odd. All the texts from the previous week to her sister, just gone. Why would someone delete the entire chat?

As things stand, things are okay, I just hate the fact that intimacy seems to have to be “booked in”, the last time it happened spontaneously was either when we are away, or when she came back from the hen-do. I love her so much and I really don’t know why I am insecure. When she goes out (which is not that often, its just that when she does, I get anxious) my heart races and the following morning, I will try my best and ask her how her night was, did she have fun, what was the pub like. Before I know what I have said it comes out “ did you get chatted up”. The truth is, she probably does all the time. The fact that I ask is so stupid, of course she does, she is gorgeous. The night of the deleted chat, I also went out locally. My friends had gotten some girls over to our table when I was at the bar buying and talking to a mate. One of them smiled at me as I sat down and I noticed she made no attempt to hide the fact that she looked to see if I had a wedding ring on (I don’t we, are engaged). Whenever a girl does talk to me, I even feel guilty by having a conversation with them, that this is in some way, me cheating. Again, no one measures up to my partner. This girl began to tell me over and over again where they were going that evening and that after we had gone to the bar my mate was hell bent on going to, we should meet up. Anyway, we didn’t, but the deleted chat played on my mind all night.

My partner does get bad PMS and says things she doesn’t mean and this, I should probably accept, but I am insecure and think (probably) too much. I had thought about going to see the Doctor about anxiety, which my partner had been on Citalopram before, but has now come off of it. But people tell me how mentally strong they think I am after what has happened to me with work, family feuds, absent family etc. But when my partner goes out, my heart thumps through my chest, I check to where she is on god knows how many apps. I cant sleep till she gets in.

So from a objective perspective, the only evidence I have of anything that is untoward going on is the fact that she was like a nymphomaniac after the hen-do and deleted chats. Its hardly a smoking gun is it?

I am going mad probably, but any help you can give would be good. The most obvious one, I have spoken to her about this, she loves me and doesn’t know either why I am insecure “I am with you, would never cheat on you” or “I’ve never done anything to make you insecure” and others. She is probably right. But I don’t know, with this in mind, why I think these dark thoughts. I had counselling after my mum died and this didn’t help one bit, so I guess this route would not work. As I write this, it has somewhat helped in writing it, how absurb what I am saying is, as I sit on the Manchester metro, but some advice as to why I seem hell bent on destroying what I have. I hate to think that the only way we can be passionate is when we go away, that is not a cheap affair to do once a month. Can anyone help me and try and help me understand why I seem hell bent on believing the worst? Is this an issue with my mum dying perhaps? My partner means the absolute world to me. I did try and explain to her once that her and the kids are all I have in the world. She did not like this and thought that it meant that I was only with her as I didn’t have anyone else, this was not the case at all and I probably didn’t explain it right. Maybe because she is my world and I am frightened of losing her and I accept, I am being a tool the way I am going about things as well.

Anyway that’s it, if the messages received say “you are a twat, accept what you have and move on” then I guess that will set my mind at ease. I need reassuring for some reason, even from her. Is this an underlying psychological issue do you think?

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TheOnlyWayToEatSandwiches · 22/05/2019 21:02

Yes. Get therapy.

Tommo1978 · 22/05/2019 21:20

You think I am that mad?

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MrMagooo · 22/05/2019 21:44

I didn't read it all but you mention your partner is your world several times and she is all you have. This can't be healthy for you or for her.

Are you making her defend herself all the time and constantly asking her if she's being chatted up all the time. I've suffered from similar but generally at the start of a relationship when feeling vulnerable and it's not nice but 10x less than how you seem to feel.

Seek some help so you can talk out and work out your issues. If she is cheating on you then there is not much you can do, so there is no point worrying about it (not that I think she is)

It's easy to say this but there is a saying I read ; The worrying is actually worse than the thing you think is going to happen.

MrMagooo · 22/05/2019 21:50

How long has this gone on for? Just to add I don't think her going no contact for 2 days is okay, yes we all need space but keeping in touch briefly is common courtesy.

Whatdidthecardsay · 22/05/2019 22:20

I second the therapy suggested. OP the whole ‘were you chatted up’ is a pointless question to ask (the real answer is ‘yes’ what we’ll say is ‘no’ to spare your feelings) Anyway it is not healthy to obsess about your partner the way you do. I’d get therapy now because if you ever did break up (not saying you will) with the way you are now I would have serious worries about your mental health.

BeUpStanding · 22/05/2019 23:53

Getting therapy doesn't mean you're 'mad', and I think therapy is the only thing that will help sort out your thoughts and feelings. Therapy just for you that is, not couples counselling. Good luck.

lasttimeround · 23/05/2019 07:32

Get some counselling honestly.

lasttimeround · 23/05/2019 07:39

To add a bit more you sound like you have an anxious attachment style. These things happen generally influenced by early childhood experiences. It's not about being crazy its just that this was if thinking where shes your world. No one measures up to her. You are terrified shes leaving or cheating. Theres a reason why you engage in those thought patterns and you'll be making relationships with people who also fit into the patterns you have. Counselling can help you see what you're doing and stop doing it. You'll be glad you do. Your head sounds like an exhausting place.

SupaNintendoChalmers · 23/05/2019 07:50

You say counselling didn't help when your mother passed, but it's important to find a counsellor you click with and who works for you. Look around for someone you feel really comfortable with.
You seem very preoccupied with your partner's looks, not much about her personality is mentioned?
It sounds like you have a lot of anxiety. Though not contacting you, coming back and being a lot more intimate for a week and deleting conversations would make me a bit concerned. Although that being said I have a habit of overanalysing things, which seems like you might as well. I wouldn't check her phone, you'll only drive yourself mad.
I think you should really work on yourself and your anxiety.

Mummadeeze · 23/05/2019 08:12

Agree with what everyone has said. Your thoughts sound quite obsessive and counselling would be helpful. It is hard to know if she is making you insecure by not seeming very loyal or into you or whether you are making yourself anxious and insecure by over analysing. I wouldn’t worry about the increase in sex when she came back from the hen do. She probably just missed you. You are putting two and two together and making five there I think. I feel v sorry for you though as you sound v unhappy. You do need to help yourself somehow as this is no way to live. And finally, stop putting her on a pedestal so much. She may be good looking but that doesn’t mean she is better than you and having such an off kilter power balance in the relationship where you are idolising her is really unhealthy.

JustWhoIAm · 23/05/2019 09:44

Why would someone delete the entire chat?

I would also delete my lengthy chats with my sibling if I thought that my partner was checking my phone and reading what I sent.

ViolentBrutishAndShort · 23/05/2019 09:52

The things she says to you when you consider she is under the influence of hormones/PMS. What are these things? She sounds like she is slightly or even frankly being abusive to you.

You could be coming off as needy and this is not attractive in a man but your feelings of insecurity could be spot on if she is verbally unpleasant to you.
Please give us some examples of what she says to you.

Tommo1978 · 23/05/2019 17:06

Thanks I have started down the counselling route. A lot of things have happened to me that I just compartmentalised and got on with things. I think the box now is starting to open, but I appreciate your comments.

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MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 23/05/2019 17:10

You do need to talk to someone-having your partner on such a high pedestal is unhealthy and not “normal” It must be exhausting for her.

SusieOwl4 · 23/05/2019 18:30

if you read your post back carefully and you were the partner how would you feel ? suffocated I should think . No one is perfect I am afraid so in a way you are setting her up to fail . I hope you do get to find a professional who can help you, as your life / every day thoughts must be exhausting .

Perhaps try and find more time away together on your own as well as you did mention she is stressed as well .

Tommo1978 · 23/05/2019 20:05

I agree and I do appreciate the comments, I think that a lot of the things that have happened to me over the years have just taken their toll. Perhaps the fear of losing my other half is driving me to act in a bizarre way. As for the PMS, her sister and dad over the years have also been the victim of this, but general things that less insecure and normal people would brush off, let things lie and move on. Not me. I do need to be more independent, the last few months have been a bit of a trauma, but I need to be stronger and I also note the comments of the "checking up" this is wrong in so many ways. Its like I a trying to convince myself that there is something wrong. We spend a lot of time together, quality time, maybe it is separation anxiety, who knows? Maybe the therapy will help me. I work in sales and I can switch into that mode like a chameleon, but when I am on my on, things eat away at me. "you are not good enough" "she deserves more than you" etc. I am in the office all day tomorrow and normally, I would be checking my phone, hoping for that "i love you" message. When it doesn't come, I text just for the sake of it, just to try and prompt one. It is insane isn't it! I maybe need to keep busy. The last job, it was 1000% all the time and this was probably why the relationship suffered, because it was relentless and did not seem to ever end. This job is more progressive and I can make myself as busy as I need to be. As for the PMS thing, the most hurtful thing was that she said once "she only texted me I love you all the time because that's what I want to hear" she later apologised and for normal people that would have been the end of it. For me, it burrowed its way in and tried to take over. The comment about being needy is also accurate, I cant think of anything more off-putting. I need to be stronger. Strangely enough for all the things I have been through and kept out of an asylum, I am mentally strong. As a guide, being made redundant, shite family, mum dying, being hospitalised after an assault at work and then threatened with the sack if I went to the police. This is not an over-exaggeration either. So, in light of all this, why am i so weak when it comes to someone I love so dearly. Maybe separation anxiety, maybe because I find it hard to believe something that just is. She loves me and I love her, immensely. I have to ignore that inner demon that seems to try and convince me otherwise. The comment about the power balance, I get, but a relationship isnt about power, its about mutual respect. But the most notable comment is the needy element. It must be hard work for her looking after a third child.

Thank you all again, I will get the help, but the comments do generally show that I am need of an outlet. The last job, as I may have mentioned was very socially active, taking customers away etc. And maybe I miss that, the social interaction, my friends are always busy and all have families, so the lads nights out are few and far between. As I changed jobs and dont have any of that, my mind is probably over acting these things and worrying about something that just isnt there.

Thank you all again, here's to a new journey!

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SusieOwl4 · 24/05/2019 00:09

I get what you are saying about your mind over acting . I fee like mine never shuts off and skips from one thing to another constantly. Also just having lost a close relative I am finding grief hard to understand and if you have suffered three traumas close together perhaps you are not coping as well as you think. Perhaps think of it this way , if the worse happened , in any situation, would the constant worrying about it make your reaction or coping mechanism any different? If not then you are wasting time worrying when you should be enjoying life. Try and cope with things as they happen because there is one certainty , life throws things at you all the time . And it’s how you cope with them when they happen that counts .

SusieOwl4 · 24/05/2019 00:10

Have you thought about writing as a hobby . Your posts are very eloquent.

MrMagooo · 24/05/2019 13:08

It sounds like you are in a lot of pain and you don't want to be. Sometimes we can't fix things on our own snd that is when it's time to seek help.

You wife has been painfully honest with you but are her words a reaction to you or are they her own.

Either way you do need help dealing with this and it's not going to be a quick fix.

Tommo1978 · 24/05/2019 19:48

I do agree. And I am seeking help. Much has happened in my life that I dealt with and moved on, maybe the box that contained it all is starting to open. Maybe its the thought of losing her that makes me think this way. That said, she stayed with me when I wasn't an ideal partner. Worked late satisfying architects insane requirements that she felt neglected. But she is still here. Maybe its separation anxiety as I work at home a lot, enjoy being with her and get anxiety when I am away from her. I dont really know what it is, other than the fact that with customers I can switch to a totally different persona. In this new job, I am in the process of suing my ex employer (who nearly cost me my partner, though most of this was my own doing) but my new MD who overheard a voicemail message in the car from a solicitor, said how he had no idea and how he couldn't believe how I "compartmented" this and how "he'd be apoplectic if they owed me that much money". This showed me that I am mentally strong, but I dont know why I seem to want to think the worst of my partner. One thing I do know is that I need to sort myself out. So I will do. To coin the Trainspotting line "I choose life!"

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