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Lack of proactiveness – how to approach

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LegniKir · 06/05/2019 11:29

Been together with my live-in boyfriend for 2,5 years, no children, age 30. I feel I’ve created a bad, unhealthy dynamic in our relationship, and I do not know how to raise the issue, how to even find the correct wording for the issue. I know I’m not happy with the situation, but I do not know how to approach it. Basically, I think the correct wording is that he lacks proactive approach and it makes me feel he just waits for me to entertain him and tell him what to do. I find it difficult to talk to him about it, because I can’t find the right words to make him understand what I feel. It is even difficult to write about it. Perhaps someone can help me to figure out what it actually is that is bugging me, whether it is a valid concern and whether it is solvable somehow?

I feel I am much more active than he is, more impatient, more quick thinker and at same time require more planning ahead, I like to talk about future plans and plan my activities, think out loud and discuss.

He is laid back, rather spontaneous, let’s-go-with-the-flow type of guy and he has not much going on in his life. Basically he goes to work, comes home, reads news and articles, watches youtube and TV and wants to share and discuss basically everything he reads-watches with me. He also likes to cook, but does it only during weekend and while he says he really enjoys it he usually sticks with easy and his/our favourite foods. He likes to go out of the house to museums, different events, shopping or even just for a walk, but he does it only with me, because he is not keen on inviting his other few friends nor do it alone. He also does not attend gym or do anything alone outside the house. But it is his desire and need to go out so he heavily relies on me for this need to be satisfied. Most of the time, nothing fires a spark in his eyes, he shows no interest in other activities, he is not thrilled about anything really.

I have more varying interests, I would say, though I am no active social butterfly etc. I have joined a sport group, I meet with my friends (not often though), I try to participate in some online courses sometimes, I try to read, I also like to watch some TV and read news and articles, I also love to improve the house – it’s a small house, but does need some things to be done and I really enjoy it. I even like to do large-scale cleaning a few times a year – it’s really a joy to me. I sometimes want to try sewing or do other DIY projects – not often, but if I get an idea, I am all fired up and thrilled and can’t wait to do it. I also like to go out of the house but I do not have so high need for it as he does, sometimes I’d rather stay in and clean or sew or whatever.

So, the dynamic currently is that I feel that outside of work, his needs are spending time with me and eating. As he has nothing else going on, he would like to spend a lot of time with me, but has now accepted that he cannot have my full attention all the time. My needs are varying, as described above. So the dynamic usually is that during work days I go to my sport group or we spend time watching tv or I try to discuss something or I do some course or read or try to find a way to do something together. He just waits for me to finish whatever I’m doing or waits for me to suggest what we should do together. When the weekend arrives, on Saturday and on Sunday morning he starts to think what he would like to do outside and I just organise my stuff around his desires. Basically, I already know that it goes like this most of the weekends and in my head I plan that: “we go outside and do something” and then I will do this and that and then we will eat and then I do this and that and then I will give him company or suggest something to do together because he has again waited for me to finish my stuff. He rarely plans ahead, he never asks about my things and when would I like to do my things. I sometimes do not feel like going out on both days during weekend, because there is so much things I’d like to do at home, but I accept that it is important to him, so I always go. I also plan things to do, offer events to go, ask on weekend mornings what he would like to do during the day, where he’d like to go etc. But he never asks me about my stuff. He never asks how my things are going and when I would like to do something. He never says like “Hey, you said you’d like to sew the dress. Why don’t you do that on Saturday and we can go out on the evening after that?”. Instead, he says on the morning “Hey, let’s go out and find something to do” and that’s it.

What hurts me the most is the fact that he shows no proactive interest in projects around the house and even future plans, he never initiates these discussions and never keeps them going later. For example, we have discussed repairing bathroom and balcony, I have suggested these ofcourse. I heavily rely on his opinion and his participation, because he knows the stuff and has good skills and for me, this is also a good way to spend time together, to achieve something together. We have managed to put in place plans how we would approach the repairs. It is not exactly easy to discuss these plans with him also, because he gets offended rather easily if I do not agree with him or suggest something else. Anyway, still it all is dependent on me. If I raise the topic, then we discuss, if I tell him let’s go shopping for paint, then we will go etc. I could do these things alone or hire a professional, but I’d love to do it with him. It feels to me that for him these things are not important and thus he puts no thought into these things.

I have talked to him a few times previously about his lack of initiative and proactive approach, but it seems we do not understand each other. he says I am basically impatient, he needs more time to think and he needs to think the whole plan ready in his head until he is able to tell me his thoughts.

I feel like I put in effort to accompany him in the things he likes to do and I also try to be proactive by suggesting things to do, also ask about his work projects etc. But he rarely does the same.

For me it feels like he just comes home, sits on the couch and waits for me to sit by his side and listen to all his stories he read and watched and then wait for the weekend to come so he can go out and do something with me and then eat and then just watch tv again and wait until I do my things and then he can again share all his stories he watched or read. If I specifically tell him or ask him, then he is willing to do some home stuff.
He never says like “Hey, why don’t we go and buy the bathroom paint?” or “Hey, you wanted to sew a dress but you haven’t started yet, why not?” or “Hey, you talked about a difficult work project, how is it going?”, or “Hey, so I was thinking about the balcony, why don’t we do it like this or that?” (he only says what he has thought about if I ask him to do, and oftentimes if I ask, he has not thought about a topic at all or has dismissed the idea and didn’t bother to tell me that).

I could live with it right now, given that he is good, loving, caring, cleans, cooks, has good knowledge about a lot of topics etc. But I am scared that if we have children, I’d end up with a massive emotional labour burden and I’d like to prevent it. I’d like him to notice things around the house, to actively participate in plans, to proactively offer that this or that should be done, to be interested in other stuff than only hanging around in town or so etc (which is great of course, I love going out with him and discovering new places and things, but it seems that this is the only thing he is interested in doing). I'd like him to ask about my thoughts and dreams and things going on. Like to actually feel like we are a team and he is interested in the things we have planned, instead of just waiting for me to tell him when we should to the things we have planned. We have discussed these things previously, but nothing changes.
I guess I have developed such dynamic, because as I have so many things I’d like to do all the time and he has not, then everything revolves around my stuff and I tell when I do this or that. And as he has nothing else going on, then it seems kind of logical that I tell when I do this and when we do this. But it feels so wrong after being in such dynamic for more than a year.

OP posts:
LegniKir · 06/05/2019 12:51

Hi again! I thought about my situation more and I really struggle to really pinpoint what my issue is. But I discovered now that I guess my underlying issue is the lack of mutual goals in relationship as a team. To achieve things together, to set goals and try to achieve these together.
I have suggested many things to start together in the past, but these have all failed when I stopped pushing. For example - I thought it would be a great idea to start going swimming together, because he lacks sport in his life and also it would be a fun thing to do together. He once said he wants to be able to enjoy running and has set him a goal to be able at to run at least some specific distance. I suggested let's try to do it together, I will support him with his goal and get excerise as well. Then I found a book about relationsips and how to discuss important topics in relationship (basically it helps to set up a number of "date nights" for each topic and how to discuss these"). I have suggested we vary our activities and when staying in let's not just watch TV, but play crds, board cames, solce puzzles whatever. And also the repairing the balcony and bathroom fall under this - something to achieve together. Not just - lets hang out outside and then I do my stuff and he just waits for me to finish. To actually do something meaningful together.
BUT here lies the issue - he is on board whatever I suggest, seems interested, even participates a couple of times, but when I stop pushing, then the thing fizzles out. He puts no effort in continuing these activities. Whenever I again suggest doing it, he is again on board. And this is what dissapoints me the most. And moreover, he does not suggest any new things or goal-oriented things to do. He is perfectly content with the status quo.

And fine, it is OK to go outside and hang and then I do all these things that interest me. But it is more like two persons just hanging around, than an actual investment in a team or something.

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ChristmasFluff · 07/05/2019 07:25

Hi OP,

I think the problem here is that you are trying to turn him into someone he isn't. You believe that because you are able to permanently suppress your natural inclination to do whatever you want, putting his needs to the forefront, that he should be able to do the same. but this is part of your proactive nature

He isn't able to do this, he doesn't have a proactive nature, and he isn't going to change. He tries, but he ultimately reverts back to type, because changing is HARD, and people usually only manage it because the way they have been has brought them to disaster.

So really, the question isn't, 'how do I change him to be more like me?', it is 'this is the person I am with. What do I do now?'

What would happen if you didn't go along with him all the time? What if you started planning to work on your projects at the weekend, and let him choose how to respond to that? Or have one day doing what you want (together or separately) and one day doing what he wants?

It may well be though that you are too different in your outlook and that you would be better suited to other people. Especially if you are each not able to accept the way the other person is.

Pipandmum · 07/05/2019 07:33

I agree with ChristmasFluff. He is who he is, you are who you are, and you seem to have tried everything but he just isn’t going to change. He may appreciate having you as a social and activity organiser, but you aren’t. I think you know the inevitable solution here.

Prokupatuscrakedatus · 07/05/2019 07:40

If you change him into the person you want him to be he is no longer the person you 'fell in love' with. If he allows this to happen you'll ulitmately resent him for being weak and spineless.
And he would have every reason to resent you - suddenly not good enough, living against his nature.
If you cannot accept each other the way you are, the relationship is not for you.

TheStuffedPenguin · 07/05/2019 07:44

Given the intensity of your two posts I imagine that he feels like he has to agree with you to keep you happy . It's obviously not working though so why don't you let him be with a woman who might appreciate him for the person he is .

LegniKir · 07/05/2019 11:04

I hear you. You make good points. The thing is that I'd like to give it one more chance before calling it quits. BTW, at some point I told him that I do not feel like I can stay in the relationship, that I'm not sure I want it, because I feel we are too different etc. He told me that breaking up is not an option, he wants to be in the relationship, he is willing to do whatever it needs, he will not give up and he believes that every relationship needs work. I told him that I'm not sure that it is a good idea, and I basically told him that "it's your chance to go and find someone who suits you, who will make you happy and gives you all the time in the world" etc. He insisted it is not an option and he refuses to break up with me. So, we agreed we try. That I will do my best to give him more time together and that he will try to be more active, accepts that I have my own things to do also. He figured that he wants to be different and that he needs help so he even started seeing a therapist. We made a list of agreements how to work on our relationship and keep things in order, but as I can now see, unless I keep these ideas up, remind these agreements etc, these agreements won't last.

I really try to go with the things he wants, because he has always nagged me that I have so much things to do and he feels we do not spend enough time together. Even in the beginning when I dropped basically most of my stuff just to be with him. This issue has been ongoing the entire time. Only recently he has settled with the idea that I want to do my sport thing and other stuff and see my friends (unfortunately all female and we always have female gatherings, so not much opportunities to take him with me, but there have been occasions when he had the opportunity to meet my friends. BTW, I have met only one of his friends, and the two other more close friends I still haven't seen...I haven't pressured also). He has told me that his "light in the tunnel" is the weekend when he knows he can spend time with me, basically that he lives for these weekends. Apparently spending time during work nights do not count. So I'm kind of in a loss. I agree with him that we should spend time together, and I also want it of course. But I'd like that time to be meaningful also. Not just sitting on the couch and talking about daily news - which is of course important and I like it. But to do more meaningful things also. Learn something, repair something, be healthy, discuss our deeper emotions and thoughts. And do it in a way that I do not have to force him, but that he shows interest in these things.

Maybe I'm being unreasonable about my demands, perhaps I want too much. Because he has a lot of good qualities which are still there, but the thing is that the connection and the relationship has not gotten any deeper than it was in the beginning, to be honest. And I feel I cannot find the right words how to express myself to him. I feel that we do not reach mutual understanding during our discussions, arguments. I feel he does not understand me and vice versa. So now I even try to avoid such conversations, which do not help deepening the relationship. I have tried to talk about hopes and dreams and all such also, but it 99% of the time ends with him telling a long story about his hopes and dreams and I'm listening and engaging but it never gets to my hopes and dreams - he won't ask, firstly, and if I try to talk about my view, his answers to my views are long and again how he sees these., he won't ask anything further.

We're doomed I guess...

BTW, some of his traits that I fell in love with, are still there and I really appreciate these. However, some of the traits, it turns out, were just promises or pieces of his previous life, which, as I know see, are not true in the present. Things he used to to, before meeting me, but not anymore etc.
I'm not even sure how the therapy has helped, because we have not discussed much his sessions. He has usually told me the basics - what they talked about etc, but whenever I tried to dig deeper, we ended in arguments and it never went well.

Thanks for reading. I managed to write a massive post again. But it actually really helps.

OP posts:
Lozzerbmc · 07/05/2019 11:35

I think you are just working out that you are not compatible long term; it doesnt mean he’s awful or anything just that he is a different character type to you and doesnt share the same drive etc as you. You can’t change him but long term you’ll get unhappy and more frustrated by the sound if it

PickAChew · 07/05/2019 11:42

He doesn't get to refuse to break up with you. If you want to end it, end it. Only he can change wh he is, but he's quite happy to be passive and is always going to opt for an easy life. And yes, he's not likely to step up with kids on the scene.

Hecateh · 07/05/2019 13:40

He sounds just like my son.

He has had a few girlfriends who have finished the relationship because of it and he really does not understand.

When he split from his last girlfriend he was whining about 'nice guys always finish last' and I'm happy to do whatever she wants why isn't it enough' I have tried many times to explain to him that he needs to be onboard but he's very fixed in his thinking. Things are either right or wrong and he is sure he is being 'right' when he agrees to what she wants to do. And they she is unreasonable to want more. He also says when he does suggest something it ends in a row because she 'won't' do as he wants - negotiation doesn't appear to feature at all.

With his current 'fiancee' things are very much the same, they really do not appear compatible to me or his sister even though we like his partner very much. It does seem to be working for them at the moment though.

I really don't think there is any way you can change such a basic aspect of their personality. It's either a case of finding a way to live with it or moving on I'm afraid.

Musti · 07/05/2019 14:59

Hi OP. Do you keep posting about your relationship? You're incompatible so end it. Yoire young and you shouldnt have to continually think whether you're compatible. You either are or you aren't and even with some compromising he and most things about him seem to irritate you. Let him find someone who appreciates him wanting to spend time with him and you can find someone proactive and spontaneous.

ChristmasFluff · 07/05/2019 16:07

I'd have been out of the door the minute he said that 'breaking up is not an option'. Oh yes it is - always!

The thing is, he is never going to be enthusiastic about your projects - saying he'll do whatever you want is easy. Doing it with the enthusiasm you want and the consistency you want is likely impossible for him. He doesn't sound like he's interested in moving outside of his own interests, and his idea that the weekday evenings 'don't count' is weird.

Relationships do take work, but this one seems to be much more work than it is fun. I'm not sure why anyone would want to be in a relationship where you are constantly having to have the same conversations and are endlessly rehashing the same problems.

Ending it is increasingly looking a good option, the more you post, OP xx

Youwantshoesinashoeshop · 07/05/2019 16:09

Incompatible. Pace, initiative and a but of sparkiness is really important in a relationship.

Youwantshoesinashoeshop · 07/05/2019 16:10

Bit

ChristmasFluff · 07/05/2019 16:10

It also occurs to me that he has somehow managed to make you responsible for his happiness. That's not a healthy dynamic

Aquamarine1029 · 07/05/2019 16:17

He insisted it is not an option and he refuses to break up with me.

Umm, right. That's not how it works. This alone would result in me tossing him out. Op, you are not compatible. Just because someone has lots of good qualities doesn't mean you should be in a relationship together. He doesn't make you happy and he will never, ever change. He is who he is and that's the end of it. Do you really want to waste more precious time?

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