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Not sure if I can forgive/trust him again.

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PeriscopeWoodlouse · 06/05/2019 08:18

NC as I’m paranoid. Sorry that this might get long. I was going to post in AIBU but then realised here was possibly a better place!

Background so not to drip feed: Been with H since childhood (25 years). We have 3 DC He runs family business that has been through incredible stress financially and emotionally in that time. Family are dysfunctional and introverted. His upbringing was peculiar. He has no hobbies or interests.

I was polar opposite. Not particularly happy as a child, extremely badly bullied at school. Have suffered several unthinkable tragedies but have a robust and forward outlook. However I am an emotional, social and creative type.

I have always had a passion for music. I am a musician myself and it’s a pretty large part of my life and identity. H isn’t particularly supportive or interested. But he’s like that with everything.

I have been very fortunate to have had the opportunity to spend time in the past with some musicians who have inspired me greatly. I’ve made great friends with people who have also been involved.

Then when H decided I’ve had enough he comes along and “bans” me from having anything to do with it. (I should add here that I am a SAH mum. Due to his traditional views and being with him from a young age I gave up any form of career when I graduated and fell pregnant with DS1. So with that comes absolutely zero financial independence. He’s often never here and I’ve done most of bringing up the kids by myself.)

Over the years I have backed down and submitted to his demands. (There have been MANY occasions where he dictates what’s acceptable and what’s not.) I’ve tried to include him in my involvement every time and he’s just backed off because he decides he hates all of the people involved. It’s then that he demands that I withdraw and gets pretty nasty about it.

Anyway we’ve been through this several times through the years and it always hurts me but I’ve been resigned to keeping the peace. However it happened again about 6 months ago, and this time I’ve REFUSED to back down.

This has caused so much stress. H is under strain at work (more than usual at this point) I’m aware that my support of him is important. I have ALWAYS been loving, supportive, faithful and considerate. But this time his verbal abuse and controlling behaviour forced me into depression and anxiety and I ended up on anti depressants. He knows his behaviour has pushed me to this point but he denies any acknowledgement. It’s still me, in his eyes, who is wrong.

At one point he was stalking me on social media to keep a check on me, I wasn’t allowed to comment on certain posts or interact with certain friends. He’s told me I’m not allowed to go to another concert again. He’s called me a pathetic mother, a cunt, told me I’m s bitch and that it’s my fault he’s so unhappy. He’s incredibly insecure and I feel that he takes this out on me and my interests.

He exploded at me again yesterday after insulting my appearance directly relating to the incident from 6 months ago. I was incredibly hurt and he refuses to apologise.

I’m getting to the point where I’m completely exasperated by his behaviour. However I’m not sure if it is me that’s wrong? I don’t think it is. As I say I’ve always been faithful and supportive to him but I feel he’s always had some control over me.

Up until yesterday I was finally managing to regain some trust in him. Now it’s gone again! Am I really in the wrong? I feel I’m now at a stage in life where I really shouldn’t be told what to do, but he constantly makes me feel like I’m being unreasonable and I need to seek his approval before I do anything! He knows he controls me financially so I have little choice. Then he makes me feel guilty. He crushes me with his overbearing opinions on what I should and shouldn’t do, and I do think it stems back to the way he was brought up.

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category12 · 06/05/2019 08:21

I think you need to start planning your exit from the marriage.

floraloctopus · 06/05/2019 08:21

It is not you that it is wrong at all. He is being extremely unreasonable. I don't think you can trust him and I certainly don't think you should forgive him.

Whichwayfoward · 06/05/2019 08:28

I feel as if he has deliberately robbed you if the life you could have had. This isn't just about his childhood, he is incredibly insecure.

Only you can decide what to do, but in your shoes I'd leave and start living the way you want to.

He sounds painfully dull.

thisisalongdrive · 06/05/2019 08:30

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category12 · 06/05/2019 08:32

Op, you do realise that emotional abuse and coercive control are categories of domestic violence?

Roussette · 06/05/2019 08:38

No, OF COURSE you are not in the wrong. He is horrible. What right has a person to control and monitor another person with regard to their love of music or the arts? You are probably gifted but you haven't had the chance to shine because you have an arse of a husband who is jealous and miserable of your gift.

How dare he call you names like that. I've been married over 30 years, my DH can be mega irritating but no way would he call me even one of those names. And nor me, him. I have certain things I do, people I see, holidays with girlfriends and my DH accepts that that is who I am. I am loving and giving to him too and he gets his time. And absolutely never would he ban me from things, tell me what to do, boss me about. Because we are equals in this marriage. And that is what you should be.

You are his equal. End of. No way can he dictate to you what is acceptable and what is not. He doesn't own you. You are a person in your own right. You sound lovely. He sounds a miserable, controlling, thin skinned nasty individual.

p.s. how mean he isn't proud of you and your musical achievements. My DH is really good at something quite niche that takes up a lot of his time, I am so proud of him and tell him so.

Only you can decide what you want to do ... you can guess what I would say, given my post. Start making a life for yourself however that might manifest itself.

PeriscopeWoodlouse · 06/05/2019 08:43

I just don’t think I can leave. I literally have nothing underneath me. Our situation is massively complex. I had been thinking about this previously but always come up against a wall. I basically have no choice but to sit this out for at least the next 5 years.

He always makes me feel guilty. But I won’t back down this time. I’ve always felt slightly that our relationship is an ownership rather than a partnership. But I have to consider the children too. It’s such a mess! I’ve passed up so many opportunities because of him. I’m not even allowed to go away for more than a few nights! Apparently it’s “unacceptable”.

I will add at this point, that I do feel stronger now than I ever have done. I probably should have been on AD years ago.

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PeriscopeWoodlouse · 06/05/2019 08:46

The music thing isn’t even my biggest passion. I have another one, and hes so utterly disinterested in it he’s only seen me participate 3 times in the 25 years we’ve been together! This one is more acceptable to him though, so he doesn’t try to take charge of it so much. (Sorry for being is vague! I’m just mags paranoid)

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Roussette · 06/05/2019 08:47

Hopefully there will be posters coming along who know more about the mechanics of leaving than me.

But you don't have nothing. You have brought up a family whilst he works. You will be surprised at how much that will mean financially.

"Unacceptable" my arse. I've had a week away with girlfriends all my married life! I feel sorry for you that you have missed opportunities just because of his insecurities and jealousy.

Keep strong.

thisisalongdrive · 06/05/2019 08:50

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category12 · 06/05/2019 08:55

You're married so you have a claim on the marital assets (property, pensions, savings etc). Domestic abuse services could help support you. He'd be expected to pay child support etc.

Assuming you're a sahm, you might find going back to work helpful, in loads of ways beyond an income of your own - breaking out of the bubble he's created for your life, having a routine outside the home and new colleagues, and external validation.

PeriscopeWoodlouse · 06/05/2019 09:02

There are literally no pennies in the pot just now. Everything has gone into the business which he has picked up off the floor. It’s been such a horrible time for everyone.

But I feel as if I shouldn’t have to be some kind of emotional pin cushion.

But I admit that I get scared of his threats when he gets angry. Because I have no security beneath me I know he would throw me onto the street.

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category12 · 06/05/2019 09:04

He can't though. You're married, you have the same rights to your shared home as he does.

FaithInfinity · 06/05/2019 09:04

I think he’s an abusive arse and yes, you need to put plans in place to leave. None of this is acceptable behaviour.

thisisalongdrive · 06/05/2019 09:05

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WienerDiva · 06/05/2019 09:08

There are lots of family law solicitors that offer a free first meeting. Go to one and ask them what you're entitled to. I feel he has maybe told you things that aren't correct should you leave.

thisisalongdrive · 06/05/2019 09:10

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Weenurse · 06/05/2019 09:11

Time to look for a job.
Good luck

Mummaofmytribe · 06/05/2019 09:11

You poor thing. You need advice from a solicitor. It's very scary for a sahm to just up and leave with no money. I know because I did it.
Definitely get professional advice when he's at work so he doesn't know. Take as much information about bank accounts, mortgage etc as you can.
Once you have facts about your rights you can start making a plan.
You've suffered for 25 yrs. You sound like a warm, caring, talented lady who's been completely worn down. No wonder your confidence is at rock bottom.
Get that legal advice asap. There's always a way. You may just need that creative brain of yours to figure out the right path for you. Good luck. You bloody deserve some peace and independence

TougheningUp · 06/05/2019 09:14

If he "explodes" at you and makes you feel threatened, you can get him out of the house. Speak to the NCDV as soon as you can and they will advise you on how to proceed. Women's Aid should help you sort out which benefits you can get, which should improve your financial situation.

I know you say you have to stay because of your children but you're showing them that it's ok to stay and be abused, which is not good for them. And they're listening to his bullying and anger, which is definitely not good for them.

category12 · 06/05/2019 09:15

Speak to Women's Aid.

If you can, look up "Shelter relationship breakdown" - there's a pdf that explains housing rights for splitting couples. If you can't safely download things, then they also have a helpline and can explain your rights.

Check out the entitled to online calculator and the child maintenance calculator on the Gov. UK website.

If he stalks you online, use incognito browsing for all this, and for mumsnet.

Samind · 06/05/2019 09:16

Awe OP. This makes me sad. He thinks you'll stay too. I don't think he has any actual fear you'll leave! You sound brilliant and strong so use it to your advantage and get out!

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 06/05/2019 09:21

Definitely go and see a solicitor

Find out exactly what your rights are, as opposed to the nonsense he has no doubt told you

By doing this you will most likely empower yourself further, it's always better to know exactly where you stand

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