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Boyfriend messaging another woman

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AFridayInJanuary · 29/04/2019 10:44

My boyfriend and I have been together just over a year. We don't live together but have discussed it with a view to doing so in the summer. We are exclusive with each other, spend most evenings and nights together and weekends. We both feel we are in love with each other and have lots of plans for the future together.

My history is a 22 year relationship that ended after finally managing to leave an emotionally and mentally damaging coercive control situation. Prior to that, shorter relationships. His is a 6 year marriage and a 15 year relationship that began as soon as the marriage ended. He cheated twice early on with two different women in the 15 year relationship and had a child with one of the women. He'd been on his own 6 weeks when I met him (but the relationship had been over 8 months prior). I'd been on my own for 3 months.

A couple of months after we first got together, he told me about the fact he'd cheated and how he hated himself for the pain he'd caused. He said he wanted to tell me so we started the relationship with full disclosure and to give me a chance to walk away if I didn't want to date someone who had cheated previously.

We've had a great year, a few ups and downs but nothing serious and I feel we have great fun together, shared interests, a great sex life and love each other.

He and I are off on holiday at the end of July to a place where he went as his last relationship was in its last days. He's told me that on his last holiday there, he casually met and chatted to a couple of girls but wasn't interested and told them he was happily in a relationship. All fine. He's mentioned this a few times.

To cut a long story short, it transpires that one of the girls messaged him out of the blue whilst we've been together, asking if he still remembers her. He replied asking if she'd like to meet him for a drink when he goes on his lads holiday, telling her she's very attractive and he's no idea why she hasn't got a boyfriend yet and when she asked if he was 'off the market', he dodged the question with 'off the market ha ha'. He can't explain why he didn't say he was in a relationship now. He said he knows he should have done.

He's said it's just banter and a joke that she started and he's just continued. My gut tells me otherwise. He's said she's not attractive, he doesn't fancy her and just said it to boost her confidence. When I was upset last night and asked to see the messages to put my mind at rest as to the context, he got unpleasant and said 'you need to stop this. Now. I've told you it's a joke and that's that. Now go to sleep'. When I got up to leave at 2am, he angrily said 'for fu*k's sake...all this over a bit of banter'. He's done this shutting me down before and I end up apologising for everything. I've even found myself apologising profusely to him this morning because I feel I've annoyed him.

He's messaged this morning saying he's deleted all the messages and if she contacts him again, he'll tell her he's with someone. He wants me just to write it all off, not ask him anymore about it and just move on. I have a feeling I'm just going to get hurt in this relationship. He says I won't and he loves me. No idea whether I've overacted. He feels I have.

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suziQ10 · 29/04/2019 10:58

I have a feeling I'm just going to get hurt in this relationship

Yep!
Why waste any more of your time on this man?
If you were a teenage girl I'd understand why you'd be hanging around, thinking it really is nothing to worry about and that he won't do it again. As a grown woman, I think you know better.

Summersunsareglowing · 29/04/2019 11:00

"He said it's just banter and a joke ......my gut tells me otherwise."
Listen to your instinct. That is what it's there for.

"I have a feeling I'm just going to get hurt in this relationship "
Gut instinct again. If you ignore it you'll only have yourself to blame.

He's cheated on one partner with two different women and obviously isn't great with contraception. You've had ups and downs already and have only been together for a year. When do you think he'll start cheating on you?

Pugworld · 29/04/2019 11:01

'He wants me just to write it all off, not ask him anymore about it and just move on'.

I bet he does.

AFridayInJanuary · 29/04/2019 11:08

@Summersunsareglowing - thank you, you're right, of course. He told me, a month or so back, after a few drinks, he wouldn't cheat on me because he thinks I'm pretty and he's happy. Not because he loves me. Not because he values me. But because of how he thinks I look and a feeling of happiness. I said what if I lose the looks you like. He just shrugged. I said 'and if you suddenly were unhappy?' 'I might consider it then but let's not worry about that at the moment' was the reply. Again, a joke apparently.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/04/2019 11:09

Banter to my mind is another term for bullying. You're basically being told to put up and shut up. He does not know the meaning of the word love and he has cheated on women before now. He feels absolutely entitled to do this and feels he has done nothing wrong here with regards to you hence his shutting you down now.

I think you are in a relationship with someone who ultimately is of the same type i.e. abusive like your ex husband. Also he met you when you were yourself vulnerable i.e. three months out of an abusive relationship too. You were targeted really by this man.

If you have not as yet enrolled onto the Freedom Programme by Womens Aid I would suggest you do so asap. Your boundaries, already skewed by previous abuse (so this made you more easier to target), are being further damaged by this particular individual now.
You are already being hurt in this relationship so it is really at an end now.

Its over and he has already shown you by actions that he is not above wanting to cheat on you as well. Give this person the boot as of now and work on you going forward as to rebuilding your life and strengthening your still too low boundaries in relationships.

AFridayInJanuary · 29/04/2019 11:11

@suziQ10 - true. I think I didn't work on my my lack of confidence and self esteem after leaving my previous relationship before entering into this one.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/04/2019 11:11

What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up?. There could be a lot of stuff there that needs to be unlearnt too.

AsleepAllDay · 29/04/2019 11:17

His reasons for not cheating are so flimsy that he can easily change the when he wants to!

Ugh I'm sorry you have had to deal with this. Doesn't sound like it will get better

AFridayInJanuary · 29/04/2019 11:20

@AttilaTheMeerkat - thank you for your reply. I appreciate the time you've taken to write it. My history is forever putting my needs below those of others, even through an extremely difficult childhood where no relationship I witnessed ran well. Ive just looked up the Freedom Programme - I can absolutely see how that will help me. Thank you b

I think you are absolutely correct - I've gone from the frying pan into the fire. He wants to go away with the mother of his child and his daughter and share a hotel room together (separate beds) for a little holiday. Whilst I completely accept its good for children to have both parents present for such events, I queried the need to share a hotel room. Again, I was shut down. That's what's happening and it's nobody's business but theirs. I'm not allowed to mention it further.

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HollowTalk · 29/04/2019 11:22

Get rid of him. He will make you unhappy. He thinks he's a huge prize, doesn't he, and as soon as your looks change he'll feel free to go off with someone else.

Mummaofmytribe · 29/04/2019 11:25

You don't deserve this. You need to get help so you truly come to believe you're worth more than you seem to think. You know he's going to cause you pain if you stay with him

Duckee · 29/04/2019 11:29

From the little you've said about him I can tell exactly what kind of man he is and it will end with you being hurt and betrayed. He will make your life a misery. Please do not stay with this man .

AsleepAllDay · 29/04/2019 11:33

Please break up with him. He is already making it clear that infidelity is on his mind. It's when and not if about him cheating on you and you can spare yourself the great emotional pain that comes with it.

It's not that you are not good enough for him or something is wrong with you - it's that his issues are so deep and selfish that this is how he behaves. Let him disappoint the next girl, your eyes are open

AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/04/2019 11:34

Love your own self for a change OP.

I hope that the Freedom Programme does go onto help you a lot going forward.

You are (as I thought) a people pleaser. You have continued to put others needs above your own at great cost to your own self. Someone, most likely one of your parents like your mother, taught you to people please but this can be unlearnt through counselling.

Sometimes, people are eager to please others because they lack self-love. They have the desire to be loved and liked. They thought that by pleasing others, other people would give them love and fill the void inside of them. Another telltale sign that a people pleaser lack of self-love is they don’t want to burden other people with their problems. They don’t want to waste other people’s time. They offer help to everyone else but they can’t accept help from others. They are so nice to everyone but ironically the one person they cannot be nice to is themselves.

I would also suggest you read up on codependency in relationships further.

Lllot5 · 29/04/2019 11:35

Oh for goodness sake just dump him. Why wouldn’t you.

supercali77 · 29/04/2019 11:36

Bin this man! Hes telling you exactly who he is. And I hate the gaslighting of saying it's jokes/bants and the problem is you for taking them at face value. It isn't banter to avoid saying you're in a relationship. It's keeping your options open while also sidestepping any outright lying. He's a dick and he'll break your heart

AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/04/2019 11:36

And it goes without saying that you should give this fella his marching orders now. Today. Its over really because of how poorly he has treated and values you. He does not see you as an equal at all in this relationship and likely thinks you are that desperate for male company that you would put up with any old rubbish behaviour from him.

AFridayInJanuary · 29/04/2019 11:38

You're all correct. It's what I know deep down - I guess that's why I've come here - to hear some straight talking and come to my senses. I know I deserve better. I need to learn how to be alone, not reliant on someone abusive.

He's said many times that he'd never cheat on me. He'd give me the respect of leaving me if he thought he was going to cheat rather than hurting me by doing it. He said 'you're too nice for me to hurt you'. He also had a bit of a Prince Charles moment when I asked how many times he'd been in love before - he said 'three, I think... whatever you mean by being in love'.

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FuriousVexation · 29/04/2019 11:39

He sounds like a massive twat.

I don't know anybody who would be happy with their boyfriend sharing a hotel room with their ex. Fuck that.

You deserve better!

hellsbellsmelons · 29/04/2019 11:39

He's said it's just banter
I fucking hate the word 'banter'.
It used as an excuse to flirt and get away with it.
It's used to make the injured party look 'crazy'
You will get hurt.
Stop apologising for things you haven't done.
Why would you?
Stop being a people pleaser.
You both got together way too soon after previous relationships.
Do some work on yourself OP.
Your boundaries.
Did you have DV support after your previous relationship?
If not then please call Womens Aid and do their Freedom Programme asap.
It will help you avoid assholes like this in future.
He's a controlling prick.
Run - don't walk.
THE HILLS ARE THAT WAY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hanab · 29/04/2019 11:43

He deleted the messages because he did not want you to read exactly what is or was going on. He was probably going to meet up and he left the door ajar by not confirming that he is in a relationship.

It’s just banter .. BS!

PlinkPlink · 29/04/2019 11:45

Ugh this is disgusting.

You dare to confront him and have an issue with his messaging so he gets irate and tells you you're overreacting. Classic patriarchy - calling you a silly, irrational woman to cover up his misdemeanours.

Standard behaviour from a cheater: Telling you you're delusional, telling you you're reading too much into things. Next thing you know he'll be telling you it's your fault for making him angry.

Some truths here:

He told her she was attractive because he finds her attractive.

He avoided answering the market question because he didnt want to answer because he wants to keep his options open.

On top of that, he has openly stated that he is staying with you because you're pretty and because he's happy right now. He's told you he's only with you for your looks. Right there.

You're not overreacting. The writing is on the wall here.

Make your move, lovely. Seriously. There are actually some nice blokes out there. Work a bit more on your self-esteem - I had to do the same, and then maybe start looking again.
You are worth so much more.

I found a wonderful man but only after I stopped lowering my standards and thinking I had to compromise. You shouldn't compromise at the beginning of a relationship.

Deep breath, get the scary bit over with and then be free.

AFridayInJanuary · 29/04/2019 11:45

@supercali77 - that's what I laid awake thinking last night. Sidestepping a question regarding your status (which I get why she asked) rather than just being upfront and saying I'm in a relationship really got to me. I asked how he'd feel if the boot was on the other foot, he said 'I'd be f**king furious. Really upset. I wouldn't like it'. I said 'So why do it to me?' his reply - 'I don't know...she started the banter. It's a long standing joke. You've got to believe me'.

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VictoriaBun · 29/04/2019 11:49

Oh dear. He's dating you because your pretty. Well congratulations for that op !
Also because he respects you he would finish with you and not cheat. So basically he is saying that he will carry on looking about ,but when someone ' more pretty ' than you comes along, he will be off. I think my answer would include the word off as well !

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 29/04/2019 11:50

He's said many times that he'd never cheat on me

Did you not find that concerning? I'd expect cheating to come up once or twice if he needed to confess to doing it before, but constant references would concern me. Why would he be constantly thinking about cheating, and assessing whether he would today?

Regardless, you've got an early glimpse at what he's like. It'll forever be banter and crossing the line, and it'll get worse and worse, and when he does cheat, it'll be your fault for not being as pretty or captivating or not making him as happy as you used to.

Honestly, leg it. He hasn't changed at all.

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