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How to forgive? *trigger warning

22 replies

justilou1 · 27/04/2019 07:34

Could be long, but I don’t want to drip feed.
Not long after we were married (16 years ago), we went to another couple’s wedding where my DH drank with the intention of getting very drunk (entitlement might be a theme here...). His mood towards me changed from loving and gentle to fumbling and physically clumsy to the point of hurting me. We got a taxi back to the hotel we were staying at, and he became verbally abusive and I was frightened that he was going to hit me. I locked myself in the bathroom until he passed out in a chair, then the next day I told him that I had not married that person, and would rather be single and happy than married and miserable, and that he had two choices - counselling (and giving up alcohol and telling everyone why) or a solicitor. He chose the counselling. After a few sessions of counselling it came out that he had been repressing very strong feelings and memories stemming from being raped as a child (We had discussed this, so I did know about it.) and how badly his parents had dealt with it when he’d told them years later, etc.... Because this was huge and I loved him, I put my own (very valid) feelings about his behaviour at the wedding/hotel aside to support him through this, and we went on to have three beautiful kids, his career skyrocketed, along with his self-esteem (and ego). I moved with little children from city to city and to the other side of the world to support him while he developed his career, and tried really hard to be a positive team member, even though I was often isolated and lonely. Sometimes frightened and left vulnerable - especially while navigating different medical systems, different cultural expectations, different education systems, etc all in a language I never really grasped. Now.... the thing is, he always knew that I had a pretty shit childhood too. That my parents were genuine narcs, and that I was raped too. When my mother died and left her estate in such a stressful mess (that we are still dealing with 2.5yrs later), and my daughter turned the same age as I was when I was raped, I started having flashbacks. He had been out of work for nearly a year, and I had supported him financially and emotionally through this time, and he had returned from overseas to finish preparing our house for sale there, and I hadn’t achieved as much packing up of the house we were living in here as he had expected. When I tried to talk to him about this - he knew I was having flashbacks and was seeing a counsellor about them, he snarled at me about it “all being a convenient excuse....”

I thought we were a good team, but I think I was living a lie. We were if it suited him. I can’t get past it. It’s been nearly a year. I have tried to tell him that I don’t feel valued and that I feel like all I am to him is a human app. I don’t trust him with my feelings at all. I cannot comprehend how you couldn’t put that first.

Can I move on from this? How do I start?

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RickOShay · 27/04/2019 07:43

I am so sorry about what happened to you. How would you feel about counselling together? Have you got the puff for it?
I understand how you feel your marriage is a one way street - everything is fine as long as it goes his way.
Do you still love and fancy him?

Hassled · 27/04/2019 07:49

It sounds like for years he's had your love and support and understanding, and all the things you'd expect in a marriage, while you've not had the same from him. When he scared and threatened you it was because of his traumatic past, but when you're struggling to function because of your traumatic past it's "a convenient excuse". I'd find that bloody hard to forgive.

I think you probably need some counselling to go through all this properly - do you feel that the marriage has just run its course?

justilou1 · 27/04/2019 08:11

Thanks for answering... we’ve been to counselling together. Once. In February. I just feel like the lowest priority in everyone’s life. I think I’m too depressed to fancy anyone, tbh...

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RickOShay · 27/04/2019 08:43

What’s going on in your life? What do you think about counselling for yourself? Why did you only have one session? Was it in any way helpful?
It’s ok to be you Just. Flowers

RickOShay · 27/04/2019 08:44

Could you make yourself the biggest priority in your own life?

justilou1 · 27/04/2019 09:58

I am going to counselling for myself, but that seems to feed into his idea that this is all MY problem. Apart from having no sex for the last six months, his needs are met. He’s not feckless by any means, he contributes greatly to the kids’ physical and emotional lives, but he thinks he contributes to mine by throwing laundry on every now and then.

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blackcat86 · 27/04/2019 10:06

Unfortunately times in our lives that are traumatic (or when past trauma comes back) can really shine a light on dynamics that were already there. You feel the lowest priority because you are by the sound of it. relationships should eb and flow so yes when your husband was having an awful time you supported him but now he doesn't seem to be giving back. Perhaps you are both stuck in that old dynamic and could do with some marriage counselling to help? This isn't your fault OP, you're simply waking up to what was already there. The same happened to me after my traumatic birth. I realised that at literally the worst point in my life and having nearly lost my baby it was still about everyone else. I never seemed to be the one getting the support and that was a turning point for me. I started reading up on the effect of toxic people and relationships because I had a lot of those in my life and started therapy. I distanced myself from friends who were more than happy to receive support but disappeared when I needed help and I called out family members and DH who had been so shit. Change has started. You cant put the blinkers back on so you need to start to instigate change whatever that looks like.

justilou1 · 27/04/2019 13:54

That sounds like where I’m at. I’ve got no-one. He says I’ve got him, but I don’t trust him anymore. I’m still having flashbacks and that’s never discussed. I’ve set myself up with groups of friends again and again just to move, or have them move (expat life) and I don’t want to be here (in the town where it all happened). He’s had a fairly pressure-free relationship from me, really.

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justilou1 · 28/04/2019 10:02

So the question I'm really posing is.... Assuming I want to continue - or re-start the relationship with my DH.
How do you forgive and move on? Do you just make the decision to trust again?

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RickOShay · 28/04/2019 12:29

If you can. Are other aspects of your marriage ok?
I really had to forgive dh after the early years of small dc. I just about managed it, because other things were good.
What about you just?

justilou1 · 28/04/2019 16:30

I think I want to, but I need to know how to get past it all. I am angry at the world at the moment, which helps nothing at all... He's resentful too. I told him today how hurt I am by him throwing this in my face and that it has really broken the trust I had for him. I know I am hardly perfect. (I've been awful for most of the year, tbh.). He can barely remember this conversation, of course - but I have pointed out that the effect is profound. When someone tries to open up to you about a rape and you explode and then throw it in their face, almost as if you don't believe that it happened in the first place, that person doesn't trust that you are their "safe" person anymore.

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RickOShay · 28/04/2019 18:16

Trying to be devils advocate here, could he be in shock? You are the ‘strong’ one, he’s not used to you needing him, and he can’t process what has has happened.

Could you try talking to him again?
Have you had any counselling over your feelings about the rape? What are your feelings about it? Do you feel safe with it?

RickOShay · 28/04/2019 18:18

Dh absolutely CANNOT cope I am not ok.
Everything is ok as long as I am. I am the basket for ALL his eggs, is your dh similar?

RickOShay · 28/04/2019 18:18

if I am not ok
sorry Grin

justilou1 · 29/04/2019 02:36

I don’t think that’s quite it. He has form for minimizing what I’m saying and I guess I have let him for too long, just to keep the peace. More came out last night. Because he has form for making unilateral decisions that affect us both (and the kids) and I have repeatedly told him that I will not accept that again. Rather than admit that this is what he had done, he chose to lie about a significant financial investment, and then minimise and gaslight rather than admit what he had done and what was going on. When he claims to want me to trust him again and that I am breaking his heart, how am I supposed to respond?

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Mummaofmytribe · 29/04/2019 03:07

RickOShay my husband is the same. I have to be in top fighting form (or at least give that impression) or everything seems to fall apart.
I have severe mental health issues and am am in longterm treatment, but I have to hide all that and constantly put on a brave face.
It's a weird dynamic. He's loving and considerate but more on a superficial level. It's like he knows there's darkness in the depths and has to be protected from that.
I definitely carry the entire mental and emotional load. And it's worse the older we get.

RickOShay · 29/04/2019 07:33

It’s not easy is it mumma.
I think he’s scared just. He’s not used to having to be accountable to you, perhaps he’s taken you for granted along the way. Where you go from here is up to you, do you see hope? Can you begin to assert yourself and your feelings without his validation?

justilou1 · 29/04/2019 09:40

I am definitely asserting myself, and as I am also in a really dark place, I then question myself. I asked him if I was ever going to be able to describe my feelings without him minimizing them and telling me what I “really” meant or thought. I told him that I was tired of him choosing to believe what he wants instead of what is being said to his face.

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RickOShay · 29/04/2019 13:13

Ok. Try not to question yourself, it’s ok to be you and it’s ok to feel your own feelings, the more you validate yourself, the less you will need him, or anyone else to.

Life really isn’t fair. Maybe it will be that you gave him support when he needed it, but he can’t or won’t do the same for you, maybe you can live with this, or maybe you will have too much resentment towards him, I don’t know.

RickOShay · 29/04/2019 13:15

I think him ‘choosing to believe what you say’ is more likely to actually be
‘I can’t accept your pain’
I wish I knew whyConfused

justilou1 · 30/04/2019 00:26

I have to accept that life isn’t fair. I don’t know why I keep expecting it to be. Shot things keep happening to nice people and bad people keep getting away with horrible behaviour on a much larger scale than anything going on in my life. Guess that puts it in a bit of perspective.

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RickOShay · 30/04/2019 07:57

You don’t have to put up with it though, you don’t need anyone’s permission to separate, except your own. I would definitely go down the counselling route first, give yourself a bit of time, but the bottom line is if he isn’t making you happy, or even just ticking along, you do not have to stay.

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