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Difficult relationship... advice needed !!!

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Jfizz · 24/04/2019 20:54

I’m feeling a little hollow and need some objective advice please.

I’ve been with him off and on for a little under 3 years. Our relationship is sometimes amazing and sometimes awful. I am totally head over heels for him but he’s so difficult sometimes and really brings out my insecurities. At the start he was in a relationship when we began and I didn’t find out until a few months later (there was an overlap of two weeks). This gave me massive trust issues with him and I have caught him lying a few times, and any time we’ve broken up (always because of trust) the first thing he does is go hunting for girls. For validation. I’ve found messages and the like and if I honestly ask myself if he’s cheated on me I’d say yes but I’ve no proof.

He’s very passive aggressive and always teases me and pokes fun at me, sometimes I give as good as I get but it’s relentless. Sometimes I feel like I pander after him when he’s really mean to be because I feel desperate for some affection and niceness. This makes it worse. Sometimes he’s so lovely and affectionate and says the sweetest things and complements me too. He tells me he loves me all the time. We have a great sex life.

Last night we were out and his daughter got a message that her dog had died at her mums house and she was being babysat by his parents and she was distraught on the phone saying daddy please come home and he was adamant we weren’t going home. I was totally dumbstruck. His lack of empathy for his distraught 7 year old daughter really floored me. I told him he was being a shit dad and he went nuts and told me to go and get my shit out of his house and leave.

We had a falling out a few days ago about the teasing and lack of niceness because as soon as I stopped pandering after him he started chasing me. Like a really fucked up game. He’s very high and mighty and entitled. Thinks he deserves the best of everything and special treatment because he used to be an international rugby player. His Instagram is covered with half naked pictures of himself and his kids and nothing of me.

He told me he was going out out this weekend and I’ve been an anxious wreck because I’m terrified he will go home with someone. I don’t trust him. He is the typical “nice guy” - so polite and tries to paint a perfect picture of himself. But then behind closed doors he’s got no empathy and it’s shocking. He’s ignored me severed times over the years when I’ve been distraught or in a bad way, it’s like he can chose when to care.

We are about to move in together and I’m terrified that he’ll just totally lose interest in me and use me. He’s just got divorced and got a large settlement from it and I doubt he’ll want to get married again. This is something that’s important to me. I’m early thirties and he’s almost fourty.

He’s very jealous and possessive and sometimes makes a joke of it but there definitely a slight serious undertone.

I just don’t know what to do. I feel weak and confused. I feel like sometimes he doesn’t even like me and I literally do everything to please him. I feel like I’m always trying to please him.

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SandyY2K · 24/04/2019 23:01

At the start he was in a relationship when we began and I didn’t find out until a few months later

any time we’ve broken up (always because of trust) the first thing he does is go hunting for girls

he went nuts and told me to go and get my shit out of his house and leave.

Desperation for love, neediness, the desire for him and your lack of self worth are your weaknesses and will lead to you getting hurt and being used in this relationship.

Jfizz · 25/04/2019 10:53

noimagination thank you that’s very good advice. I can’t be as final as to just walk out ... it’s not just about me and him it’s about our kids too. It’s all very complex

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Jfizz · 25/04/2019 10:54

sandy I do feel all of those things 😞

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Jfizz · 25/04/2019 10:57

MsDogLady I’d been researching some of these things and they are horrifyingly accurate. Although some things I don’t understand, he cries at sad parts in movies etc!- surely if he was a true narcissist these sad parts wouldn’t affect him??

He’s been so nice to me too, and my child. It’s not just as black and white as it seems. Maybe I could help him realise these things about himself??

Agree that ignoring his daughters grief was horrifying. I think that was a big wake up call for me because it wasn’t me for once. When it’s my grief that’s ignored, or he’s unreachable if I need him - I assume I’m being needy or difficult. But because i seen him do it to someone else I can see it so clearly. I still haven’t heard from him - he will be blaming al of this on me and I airing for me to apologise.

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hellsbellsmelons · 25/04/2019 12:22

Do you have a DD?
What if she had a partner like yours.
What would your advice be?
Or if you have a boy and he was treating he GF like this, what would you say to him?
This is no way to live OP.
Life is way too short for this kind of crap.
Please start to value yourself more.
You cannot change him.
You cannot save him.
He will never realise what he is like so you cannot Maybe I could help him realise these things about himself??
He already knows.
It works for him.
Why would he change?
Do NOT move in together.
This is like a car crash happening in slow motion.
Get away from him.
At least for a break - 2-4 weeks. See how you feel after that.

Headorheart22 · 25/04/2019 12:30

As above. You are minimising and rationalising his quite clearly unacceptable behaviour. He is inauthentic and abusive. You deserve so much more than this from a relationship.

I hope that you choose to honour your self worth and disconnect yourself from this emotionally damaging set up.

CryptoFascist · 25/04/2019 12:37

My ex narc would cry at movies etc. It fed his narcissistic side as it showed off what a "sensitive guy" he was. Yet when his marriage broke down his eyes were as dry as the desert. They only feel the emotions that suit them at the time.

Your relationship situation sounds horrendous. Do you have a decent level of communication with the DC's DM? Perhaps you can stay in their lives as an auntie figure after you end things.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 25/04/2019 12:40

We are about to move in together

Jesus Christ, please don't do this. Your relationship sounds absolutely toxic.

I feel so scared. Like I’m losing my family.

He is isolating you. Please listen to your Mum and your Sister. They can see him for the monster he is.

He sounds AWFUL. And he's broken you. Please find the strength to walk away and be yourself again.

thelastgoldeneagle · 25/04/2019 12:50

Our relationship is sometimes awful.
He’s so difficult sometimes and really brings out my insecurities.
I have caught him lying a few times, and any time we’ve broken up (always because of trust) the first thing he does is go hunting for girls. For validation.
He’s very passive aggressive and always teases me and pokes fun at me

Sometimes he’s so lovely and affectionate and says the sweetest things and complements me too. He tells me he loves me all the time.
Classic pattern of abuse. No woman would stay with a man if he was a shit all the time, would they?

His lack of empathy for his distraught 7 year old daughter really floored me. I told him he was being a shit dad and he went nuts and told me to go and get my shit out of his house and leave.
Good. Take him at his word.

He’s very high and mighty and entitled. Thinks he deserves the best of everything and special treatment.
He is the typical “nice guy” - so polite and tries to paint a perfect picture of himself. But then behind closed doors he’s got no empathy and it’s shocking. He’s ignored me severed times over the years when I’ve been distraught or in a bad way, it’s like he can chose when to care.
He’s very jealous and possessive and sometimes makes a joke of it but there definitely a slight serious undertone.
I feel like sometimes he doesn’t even like me and I literally do everything to please him. I feel like I’m always trying to please him.
That's because he's a narc abuser.

Your family and friends hate him - listen to them and what they're saying! They care you and are worried about you! They can see his bloke is a shit.

When we met I was a really successful personal trainer and had my own branded business that I created. I was making £4k plus a month and very confident. I feel like I’ve lost all my confidence in myself and that for my job is a train wreck.. I’m barely making ends meet and he helps me with money.

He's doen this to you. if you were happy and successful, you can be again after he's stopped fucking with your mind.

Honestly, read your thread again.

Do the Freedom Programme and get away from this piece of shit. Your dc will thank you for it.

You can't change him. All you can do is change how you react to him.

SignedUpJust4This · 25/04/2019 12:57

You dont love him. You love who you think he is or who he could be if he just changed a few little things. He wont. It is not your job to fix him. He is not who you need him to be. That person doesn't exist. As soon as you realise this with your head you will be able to let go and get out. One day you will meet someone worthy of your love. This man is stopping you from doing that.

user1479305498 · 25/04/2019 13:00

I can’t help but wonder if what keeps you there is the fact he has been very successful in a sporting field, and this gives you the feeling that ‘he’s a bit of a catch’ and it gives you kudos by association. I suspect he’s in decent shape too . Think about this, would you put up with thisbehaviour if he was an ordinary joe and worked in a warehouse?? I know what I am talking about because I am in a similar position with someone whose behaviour hasn’t always been kind to me, except married a long time.

Innernutshell · 25/04/2019 13:02

He's abusing you and you can't fully see it yet.

Your DC will be next.

Find the time to read about The Freedom Programme.

Look up the Womens Aid website. You'll find out all about him there.

Bouledeneige · 25/04/2019 13:11

Get out OP. He's a narc. He won't ever change, but he will change and damage you. As he has done.

This will never, ever get better. So leave.

ukgift2016 · 25/04/2019 13:16

He has a personality disorder. You cannot change him.

I feel sorry for his kids. Imagine having that as a father.

Noimaginationxyzz · 25/04/2019 18:27

I'm reallt not trying to sound unhelpful, but as you're a mum, your principal obligation is to your children and if you are unhappy (for whatever reason, he's not always nice / you feel insecure because he's handsome & rich & gets a lot of female attention/ you're both great but a bad combination) you don't really have a lot of choice but to draw a line under it. Your and possibly his children are seeing a bad relationship. And even if your children aren't seeing a bad relationship, they do be seeing you be a shadow of the person you could be. Plus you say it has affected your career. It's time to work out what time life you want for your children and you. We all try & hide if we're upset from children, but if you're this bothered by him, it's a lot to keep hidden. I do think you would be so much better moving on.....

Noimaginationxyzz · 25/04/2019 18:29

....sorry, stupid typos....

AnyFucker · 25/04/2019 18:32

He is destroying you and you are letting him.

janeybumtum · 25/04/2019 18:35

His behaviour towards his distraught 7 year old daughter is appalling - I bet that's how he'd treat you in time.

I must say I did raise my eyebrows about him getting a big settlement from his ex wife. I know we live in modern times and there may be a very valid explanation depending on their circumstances. I'm in the process of divorcing a gold digging cock lodger so I did wonder what's gone on here.

Noimaginationxyzz · 25/04/2019 18:35

AnyFucker yep....

minababelina · 25/04/2019 18:48

What were the reasons he gave you for his divorce? Could they be related to how he seems to be? Those traits can’t be fixed.. i agree you shouldn’t move in together. He’ll probably only get worse after that.

Jfizz · 25/04/2019 20:11

Thanks for all your feedback guys it has been really helpful, and has allowed me to feel less alone.

hellsbellsmelons
I hate the thought of giving up on him... I really do love him. I’ve left him before - the longest was for several months and my heartache grew worse and not better. Maybe if he had some counselling and accepted these things we could work on them... or maybe I’m being naive

In any case I will keep my own house in the time being as giving up my independence is terrifying.

Headorheart22
I have done that several times... but I always end up getting reeled back in

CryptoFascist
Yes that makes sense, the crying to appear genuine thing. How fucked up. I’m new to this so don’t really know the short hands but I’m assuming DCs DM means the children’s mother?? - no we have no contact. They had a terrible divorce and all very messy. I’ve seen with my own eyes that she is a hateful person and I wouldn’t subject myself to her.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy
I don’t mean losing my family as in my mother and sister - I mean as in him and his kids (I feel like they are my family)

I’m not close with my mother at all. She was very abusive. My own family are very separated. I understand this my contribute to why I’m clinging to the family feeling and allowing myself to be treated badly sometimes. He does take on board what I say and try to change certain things, he’s much better than he used to be...

thelastgoldeneagle
I will look up the freedom programme thank you.

user1479305498
He is undoubtedly to me a catch. It’s because I’m so attracted to him, and this isn’t just physically or sexually. We’ve had the deepest loving times and have felt so bonded but they just don’t seem to last. I love him for him... and trust me things have gotten ugly and many would have left him. I’m just so distraught to find out he might be a narc. That none of his love for me is real, this is so distressing.

Noimaginationxyzz
I know what you say here makes perfect sense. My child is older so understands it a little more (the small parts he has seen). We’re very close and can chat about things which is nice. But yeh I feel like I’ve lost myself :/

janeybumtum
Agree totally appalling. And he already has, a lot of Times leaving me when I needed him. I thought this was secluded to me - apparently not. Only when seeing him do it to someone else did I actually really SEE IT. I’ve thought before I was being needy and crazy. Basically he married a rich girl almost immediately and they hated each other. Long drawn out divorce. All very dramatic, but I guess he got what he went for.

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