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Feeling alone

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Pigeontoed · 14/04/2019 13:14

Not sure what I’m looking for with this post, a little support I guess.

My Husband and I have been together for almost 15 years, and from the start I’ve found aspects of his behaviour ‘challenging’, and do find him to be very selfish. This isn’t a trait that I find attractive in anyone but as our relationship has grown, it’s something that I feel I’ve learnt to accept as part of him, along with all the things about him that I do love, find attractive etc, and have learnt to live with it.

The problematic behaviour for me is sporadic episodes of aggression, irrational/inexplicable anger followed very swiftly by passive aggression i.e epic sulking and cold-shouldering me that can go on for days. I could give endless examples. In the early days I used to spend days, hours, weeks torturing myself, re-playing scenarios and conversations etc wondering what I’d done wrong, but as time’s gone on I’ve (almost) learnt to accept that it usually isn’t something I’ve done wrong (or if it is, it was so minor that most ‘normal’ people would just call it out, have a minor disagreement then move on) but is actually a problem with him, some inability to express his feelings, have a rational discussion about any issues or problems and move on.

Any argument we have goes from nought to nuclear in seconds, can come out of nowhere, and usually involves him going round the house within minutes, gathering up belongings, preparing to walk out, and I always end up trying to placate, and I hate to say on occasions begging him to stay and talk. I’m always the one who tries to smooth it over, if I genuinely think I have been in the wrong I’ll always quickly admit it, and put my hands up, own it etc as I believe that’s what decent people do. I don’t in any way consider myself perfect, we all have flaws. I’m always the one who ends up saying sorry though (even when I know full well that either I don’t owe an apology, or that we both do) but he almost never apologises for anything. I think I could count on one hand the number of times I’ve ever heard him say the word ‘sorry’.

We have weathered some fairly big problems together over the years, and lately I have been feeling that we’re probably closer than ever and in fact we’d even talked about that recently. The last few years these episodes have become far less frequent, and when things are going well , we go months or even years on end genuinely both feeling happy, content etc.

I did something that upset him a few days ago, which was meant with no mal-intent or unkindness whatsoever on my part (I’m actually guessing how he feels, as he hasn’t told me). It blew up, he shouted, we had a brief argument (I didn’t raise my voice), I tried to explain to him that my actions were innocuous, but he then retreated into a silence, and has barely spoken to me all weekend. It’s torture. I’ve tried to just carry on as normal, put a brave face on etc, but have actually spent all weekend feeling depressed, tearful and hurt. Being treated this way in your own home by someone you love is a lonely place to be. Experience has taught me that there is little or no point trying to talk to him at this point or coax him out of this mood. I just have to wait it out.

It feels as if he has a real inability to examine his own behaviour, and actions, and his default is to assume the position of the wronged party. I don’t know whether he has an ability to empathise with how he makes me feel, or if he honestly feels so ‘wronged’, that that’s all he can feel / see.

I know that the above paints a picture that isn’t very pretty, but most of the time, I honestly am happy in our relationship, I really do love him and want to spend our lives together but when things like this happen, I feel as if the person I love has been replaced with a stranger.

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MikeUniformMike · 14/04/2019 14:51

It has. You deserve better than this, and it won't get any better.
Try to develop a social network and improve your self-esteem.

Pigeontoed · 14/04/2019 16:46

Any words of wisdom to pick me up a little people? Thank you for responding @MikeUniformMike.

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GalaxyRipple · 14/04/2019 17:04

This sounds exactly like my mum and dad .My dad will go days without speaking to my mum ,he flips over the smallest of things. Many times Ive told my mum to leave him but she turns round and says he has his good points.He never apologises ever!Mum has learnt to deal with it now and she stands up to him. She just lets him wallow in his self pity and goes off and meets friends or family.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 14/04/2019 17:08

What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up?. Did you see your own mother do this with your dad i.e. trying always to placate him at your own expense?. This is who he is and he also cannot keep up the nice act for long. It sounds sadly like you have become completely conditioned to his abusing of you. Do you love him or are you confusing this with codependency?.

What are you getting out of this relationship now?. This is in no way a loving relationship at all. His actions towards you are about power and control, not love.

Do you really want to spend the rest of your life with this person, think on this a lot more. Do you have children, if so would you want them to be treated as you are in a relationship?.

His silent treatment towards you now is an example of emotional abuse. He is probably "happier" in the relationship when you are dancing absolutely to his tune.

You are in a relationship with an abusive person and what you describe re him is the nice/nasty cycle of abuse. That particular cycle is a continuous one. If you are in the UK do contact Womens Aidon 0808 2000 247 and talk to them about your H.

Singlenotsingle · 14/04/2019 17:22

He likes to be in control, doesn't he? He likes it when you dance around him, upset and asking for forgiveness for something that you don't know what? Begging him not to go! I wouldn't have the patience for that!

Remind us again, what exactly is it you love about him?

When he starts this nonsense, just pack a bag and go away for a couple of days somewhere nice. Then he won't have the satisfaction of seeing you beg. Shock

rosabug · 14/04/2019 17:45

Next time he runs about the house packing his bag, call his bluff and help him.

He's a bully and a big baby.

Pigeontoed · 15/04/2019 08:18

@AttilaTheMeerkat Thanks for replying. My parents relationship is / was nothing like this, they squabble but the dynamic is totally different. We don't have any children. When things are normal / good between us (and as I mentioned, these episodes of behaviour have become so infrequent) our relationship is lovely; we have shared interests, genuinely enjoy each other's company, have fun, support each other, feel like a strong team.

@Singlenotsingle thank you. I did feel like going somewhere this weekend, but don't see why I should have to leave my own home, plus feel like that would escalate things. I know that probably doesn't make sense but I feel as if I just try and carry on as normal (although that's hard) it minimises the situation in some way.

@rosabug last time that happened I did think about just letting him go and see what transpired next, but the reality is I really don't want our relationship to break down. That time, it blew over the next day and I was glad that I'd chosen to just carry on and not make a bigger issue.

I didn't intend my post to be one-sided but perhaps it was. I didn't mention that my Husband is having a terrible time at work at the moment and the incident that happened recently was because he felt I wasn't properly paying attention when he was talking to me about it (I was listening, but just staring into space a bit for no particular reason). I feel as I've really been very supportive over the last few months, I don't know what I could have done differently, but he said that this wasn't the first time that I've been uninterested, and that it made him feel unimportant, and his work issues are pointless, trivial, futile (they're not). I honestly was surprised, hurt etc that he feels I've been anything less than supportive, so I said so (which probably wasn't the right time to do so), and he then said I was selfish for making the issue about me. I get tied up in knots when the conversation goes like this and question whether I am selfish. However, I was hurt as it made me feel that nothing I do or give is enough, but perhaps I should have waited until a less heated moment, and raised that as a separate matter.

We've both gone off to work today with the frosty atmosphere still very evident. I just feel sad.

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TheStuffedPenguin · 15/04/2019 09:01

This sounds very like my ex H - everything was my fault /I didn't ask about his day ( I did ) / blah blah ....it's a misery to live like this always second guessing what kind of mood they are going to be in . I am now divorced from him and have started a new life with a man who loves me to death .

TheStuffedPenguin · 15/04/2019 09:01

You are continually making excuses for his bad behaviour too !

Pigeontoed · 15/04/2019 09:04

Thank you @TheStuffedPenguin. Thankfully this isn't a continual situation, and a flare up like this is rare.

Interesting that you say I make excuses; I really hadn't noticed that, but will definitely have a think on it.

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OldAndWornOut · 15/04/2019 09:07

I don't see the issues getting any better, because in effect, you're now 'trained' to respond in the way he wants.
You've both got into a pattern of behaviour, so unless someone breaks it (and its obviously not going to be him) then things will stay as they are.

Pigeontoed · 15/04/2019 09:38

Thank you @OldAndWornOut. My coping strategy has always been 'just hope it blows over soon'. I'm not sure how to go about starting to change my response.....

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Pigeontoed · 17/04/2019 08:12

Not much 'thaw' happened in our communications so far this week, although my Husband is away for work. Any effort to have 'normal' conversation has of course been on my part, and met with mostly sullen-ness and complete lack of friendliness, humour, enthusiasm.

I'm feeling very lonely (it's surprising how someone elses actions, from a distance, can still make you feel lonely in a situation/environment that's no different from every other week, where you would usually feel entirely content and comfortable). I feel vulnerable, as if a layer of my skin has been stripped away leaving me exposed (I'm not sure if that makes sense!). I'm worried that the long bank holiday weekend may well be ruined after looking forward to it for ages Sad.

Have been doing some more reading on this type of siatuation after seeing recommendations on other similar posts etc, and am coming back to ideas that I've wondered about before, that my husband actually doesn't or maybe even can't think or feel in the same way that most 'normal' people do (borne out by several examples of reactions / behaviours over the years). I'm not trying to make excuses, but find a way to help me accept that this type of behaviour isn't my fault, even if it doesn't make it any easier to live with.

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LuxLucetInTenebris · 17/04/2019 08:40

You DO have to call his bluff and let him walk out, every time. Then wait and see. Go about your business while he calms down.

He knows you want the relationship to continue and that gives him the permission/ safety net to rant and sulk and shout and posture and berate you- because he knows he can take you to your brink and then you will placate, soothe, apologise fgs, beg.
It's a horrible thing you've got going on- and he has no incentive to change because you accept it all.

hellsbellsmelons · 17/04/2019 09:28

Google - stonewalling abuse.
It's a horrible thing to do to someone you are supposed to love.
It's a form of control.
And you are falling for it every time.

Please stop trying to talk him round etc.....
Stop apologising for things you haven't done.
This is why he continues to do this.
It works for him, so why wouldn't he?
He gets all your attention.

My ExH tried this and I packed up and left (way before we were married).
We talked about it and he really had no idea what the impact of this behaviour feels like.
His mum had always done it so for him it was normal.
We talked and he realised that, as adults, we can have a conversation to clear the air.
We may not agree and at that point, we agree to disagree.
He never did it again!

Unless he can see how destructive this behaviour is, he will never change.
He's had no consequences what-so-ever from you so he continues to do it.
Stop pandering to him.
Leave him to his sulk.
Go out. Go and see family. Go away for a weekend.
But you must put a stop to this.
Or realise you are worth far more than being with a controlling abusive man and make your decision to leave.

Happynow001 · 17/04/2019 13:31

Can you really consider the rest of your life like this, on eggshells/on guard, waiting for the next time he flies off the handle and sulks/cold shoulders you for maybe days at at time?

What is that doing to your emotional health? Why would you put up with this any more?

RatherBeRiding · 17/04/2019 13:41

I agree with poster above who said that there are no consequences for him as a result of his, frankly appalling, behaviour.

He loves to be in control, to have you running after him begging him to stay, placating him etc.

You really need to work on your self esteem and not allow your happiness to be determined and defined by his mood.

Develop some coping strategies, a harder heart and a sense of your own self-worth.

Next time he threatens to leave - let him get on with it. Take your bag and car (if you have one) and go shopping.

When he's sulking/giving you the silent treatment - absolutely ignore it and carry on with your own life and make sure you get out of the house even if it's only to sit with a coffee and newspaper in a cafe for the afternoon. Hard to sulk when you don't have an appreciative audience!

Or - try the direct approach. "I know you're sulking and that's your decision. We'll talk when you are capable of having an adult conversation again." Then walk away, switch on the TV, mow the lawn, do the washing up - whatever. Let him get on with it.

It's no way to live your life, no matter how much you love him.

Pigeontoed · 18/04/2019 08:15

Thank you for taking the time to reply @LuxLucetInTenebris @hellsbellsmelons @Happynow001 @RatherBeRiding

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