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Help, do I really have to consult him?

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mummyloves · 09/09/2004 23:21

Please help mumsnetters, I don't really know who to turn to. My DS is 3 1/2. I never lived with his dad and the break up was simply awful before I realised I was even pg with DS. He was and still is, an emotional cripple, a control freak and downright evil when it came to revenge. I found out I was pregnant about three weeks after we split up and his reaction was, in the first instance to say that I had to terminate because it would ruin his plans for his life, and then in the second instance, to try to map out exactly what he would "get" (supposedly contact wise etc) over the next 18 yrs. Initially we had an arrangement for him to see DS every 2 weeks, but he constantly wanted to change the date or time depending on whether he had another "engagement". Because I stuck to my guns that DS should come before anything else apart from emergency situations or illness for example, he gave up the ghost and disappeared when DS was 5 months old to go travelling. He said he was going to try to get residency in Australia and never come back. I got on with things, worked 8 hr days to support us both and made myself very ill with having a child that didn't and still doesn't sleep! He suddenly came back and started seeing DS when he was 2 with my agreement but because this child didn't know who he was I refused his requests from the outset for him to take DS away on his own for whole days at a time. I was allowing him to see DS in my home for up to 8 hours, practically spending the whole day with us, as long as he didn't start with the threats and intimidation again. I just wanted DS to get to know his father. Apart from that xdp lives about 2 1/2 hrs drive away and doesn't have anywhere to take him.Needless to say, after only 5 visits he started with the threats to take me to court if I didn't agree to his timetable of increasing contact, which really meant that he wanted to take DS some 2 1/2 hrs away for whole weekends after a four month period. If I didn't agree he would take me to court. He has, and since May the contact at a contact centre has increased from 1 hr to 3 hours now unsupervised. He got Parental responsibility at court. I didn't fight it as I knew it would be futile. I believe he is totally irresponsible and can list a number of things that he has done with him which I believe put him in danger or at least do not go towards making DS a sensible individual. The latest of which is teaching him how to "headbutt" and driving him on a public road with DS sitting on his lap. I'm furious but the courts just say, "I'm sure knows that he should be sensible with DS". It's now time for me to fill in the forms for applying for a place at school when he's 5. I do not speak to xdp, he does not have a home telephone number for me and has been advised by my solicitor not to contact me. He was previously harrassing me on the phone at work and at all times of the day and night. He tape records conversations that we do have and I'm scared (not physically) to be anywhere near him. Prior to the contact centre I had to have someone with me when he visited DS because of the intimidation. Parental responsibility means I'm supposed to contact him and "discuss" which schools we should be looking at for DS. But he doesn't know my area, doesn't know DS's friends, local reputation of the schools, he hasn't got the issue of childcare options to worry about and certainly doesn't pay for it. He doesn't support DS full stop. I haven't had a penny since DS was 5 months old even though he's got his own business. What will happen if I just fill out the application form and tell him afterwards? Can the courts really hold this against me? I can't in any way shape or form visit schools with him in tow to pretend to be the united front. Even if he visited schools on his own, independantly from me, that would mean I have conversed with him in some way to get to that stage. I just can't. What does he know about where we live and what the factors are. There's no way I'm going to choose a bad school for my son. Currently two family members help in looking after him outside of nursery hours and they're local teachers. They KNOW the local schools and are in a good position to advise. What should I do? Please help! I'm sorry if this was a bit 'round the houses!

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tammybear · 12/09/2004 23:18

hi mummyloves, i cant give you any advice about your judge but just wanted to say im glad you're feeling a bit more happier hopefully one of the other mumsnetters can give you some advice about that xxx

mummyloves · 12/09/2004 23:29

Thanks Tammybear, I've read a lot of your posts on other threads. I don't get much time for this I'm afraid but I know you're own too in an impossible situation. S*d em eh?

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tammybear · 12/09/2004 23:31

lol, yeah. wish i could rid the world of them!! got exp coming this weekend, not looking forward to that. he hasnt seen dd in 12 weeks so god knows how shes going to react to him

mummyloves · 12/09/2004 23:35

How are YOU going to react to him? Do you have to be there by yourself, or I think I read you had a new DP, lucky you! Is he there when exDP comes and do you have to "entertain" him for the whole visit? Do you have to hide all the knives in the kitchen?!

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tammybear · 12/09/2004 23:38

lol, i leave the knifes out just in case dp is here this week but will be gone when exp comes (has work, and we dont live together). my mum will be here for support, and usually they sit there watching tv to entertain themselves really drives me mad!! i try to be as civil as I can but i doubt it will last long as a lot of issues have to be raised when he comes. Great! lol

mummyloves · 12/09/2004 23:49

So, if he sits there watching TV with your mum, he's REALLY making an effort for this to be DD 's time with her dad then? Mmm had this, and when I raised it I got the, "well, how can I interact with when your mum's there all the time" etc etc. I'm sure you probably will but just make sure that when things need to be spoken about, maybe mum will take DD out for a walk or something. Had that too! Trouble was and is, I can't speak to him alone at all. Whatever is said he denies, he invents things I've said, denies things he's said, I've said, invents things blah blah. I need a witness all the time. Personally I wouldn't use that contact time to discuss anything. I'd tell him that his contact time is for him to spend, ugh, hate this phrase, "quality" time with his daughter, and anything else that needs saying can be done totally separately. Force him to make the effort to see you AGAIN to discuss any issues that need discssing. You can always state at a later date that his contact time is his contact time, not a time which he chooses to harrass you, upset you, hold you to ransom, etc etc etc...... If he makes an issue of it to a court for example at a later date, you can sweetly say you wanted to discuss it with him but you didn't want his contact time with his DD to be interfered with and he refused to make an effort to speak to you seaparetly in person. I know he lives 3 hrs away! Then, you won't have to build yourself up to a crescendo for this weekend.

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tammybear · 12/09/2004 23:54

true, but it will be so awkward. it usually is, but will be even worse as the last time he was here was when i told him about dp and he lashed out and went completely mad. he left then, and nothing has been said about that. i never look forward to him coming but i grin and bare it for dd's sake. usually we speak on msn (not very formal) but we usually end up arguing so have stopped that. i dont want to waste my money phoning him up and he doesnt want to do the same. oh well. will have to see how things go. i do usually point out that he isnt there to watch tv and neither are his parents as they come to. they then awkwardly try to play with dd but dd is never interested.

mummyloves · 13/09/2004 00:17

Tammybear, sorry I was looking at the thread about Essbee. Please don't allow this situation, atmosphere, chance of violence, unpleasantness downright hostility to occur in your own home. You know DD picks up on it, my DS did no matter how polite I tried to keep it. Polite isn't the same as friendly and we just aren't are we? It's strained, false and probably silent for long spells. We're not laughing and joking with exDP, at best we're talking to exDP "through" DD or DS, know what I mean? "Oh daddy's being silly isn't he?". How about showing "daddy the picture you did?". If there's one thing that I was relieved about with the court thing, it was the contact centre. It really did take the pressure off. I didn't have that stomach churning because I didn't have to see him or pretend to get on with him for anyone's sake. AND it doesn't have to go to court to go there. Any solicitor can make a referral.If you are eligable from legal aid and I'm sure from what I've read before that you are, call his bluff. He would get so little with what I've read about so far, and if he's so ready to throw the towel in, he'll be gone soon. Whether you think something for your DD is better than nothing I don't know. personally I believe that an irregular, irresponsible, uncharitable dad is not worth it. your DD will only suffer in the long run and is probably better off without this individual.

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tammybear · 13/09/2004 08:44

in all honesty, i would rather him disappear off the planet. but at the end of the day, i grew up without a father, and would rather give dd the chance to have a father around than to wait til shes older and for her to start wondering where he is etc. id rather be with dd when exp comes, as the last time he was here she hid from him, and cried when i left her. plus my hv said that its best for exp to have supervision when he visits so id rather it be me thats watching what hes doing as i know what hes like and can pick up on things. hes been trying to be nice the past week, but i know its only cos this weekend is coming up. on msn he has nicknames like i really really hate some people and i know theyre directed at me.

Twinkie · 13/09/2004 09:32

mummyloves - will post further tomorrow but at the moment just pick a school - print off their results from their website against the other schools that eh could go to list the reasons why you are sending him there and send it to his solicitor with a copy to yours. - You are that way covering your back - this is what I did with X2b and the court thought I was great for taking such a role in ensuring that my child had a good education.

aloha · 13/09/2004 09:57

Mummyloves, what are you doing about the CSA? This man clearly has lots of money to throw at lawyers. Please do get the money you are entitled to.
Also, he doesn't have you over a barrel. It really is the other way round. There is NO WAY he will get residency of your son, so you will always have the final say, and you can be bloody awkward if you want and he can do very little about it.

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