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So I think I’ve hit rock bottom. Now what?

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CoffeeChocolateWine · 26/03/2019 11:17

My head is such a mess. Sorry if this is garbled.

My husband and I have been going through a shit time. For probably about a year, perhaps cracks were there even before then. So much has happen since then I can’t remember.

All I know now is that I’m worn down by it all. He’s behaved like a selfish, inconsiderate bastard and I’m been left trying to hold my family together. I feel like a worthless piece of shit. He claims that I have pushed him away by becoming complacent about our relationship and taking him for granted. I have felt undervalued (or actually no value) for a long time so if I have taken him for granted it’s cause and effect. Every bit of happiness has been squeezed out of me.

He’s attracted to another woman. He tells me nothing is going on but they are friends and there is a lot of crossover in their businesses, her company recently did some work for him, they attend the same conferences and networking events. When our baby daughter was born last summer he went to a lot of conferences and did a lot of networking...far more than usual and sometimes for days at a time and left me to look after our 3 children including newborn by myself. He says it was escapism but I think he was prioritising opportunities to spend time with this woman over spending time with his family and supporting me.

There has been lots of arguing but some good times too. On the surface we still get on well. But he terminated his friendship with this woman despite me telling him he needs to for the sake of our marriage. He originally said he would but now he says it’s not that easy as they businesses do a lot of work in common. So now instead he’s started lying to me about when he does see her. I’ve caught him out twice lying to me and it has sent me a very clear message that he doesn’t respect me and he doesn’t value our marriage enough to do this thing for me.

On Friday he was home late from work. He told me he had a last minute late meeting with a client. He came home at about 9ish saying he ended up going for a drink with him. I didn’t believe him. It turns out he went for a long lunch with 3 people including this woman and it carried on to having a few drinks. I’m furious with him. Furious for lying, furious for having lunch with her and furious for having drinks with her. He tells me I’m blowing it out of perspective...it was a work lunch with 2 other people. My ‘perspective’ is against a background of a year of really shitty behaviour, arguments, dishonesty and making me feel like shit.

I’ve had enough. But my self esteem is at an all time low. I don’t feel like I have the strength to throw him out. He wants to do counselling. We started the ball rolling on that a few weeks ago with Relate but we’re still waiting for a regular time slot with them and due to childcare issues we’re pretty limited. He said he’s going to find us another counsellor to start asap. But I don’t feel likeI have the strength for that now either. I spend my days at home on my own looking after a baby with tears streaming down my face. I manage to drag my arse out of the house to go and pick my other children up but that’s all. He keeps saying he wants to make things better between us but I’m not sure it’s possible. I think we’ve gone past the point of no return. I think I actually physically felt the point of no return on Sunday...it was weird. I’ve been crying ever since. I feel like I’m spiralling into a black hole. I think he is the thing that needs to go in order for me to feel joy again at some point but I don’t have the strength to do it. I have a baby who doesn’t sleep. I’m exhausted by everything. I’m self employed with two jobs but not working much at the moment because my baby is only 10 months old. I’m in no way financially independent. I don’t know how I’d cope money wise. I can’t even cover the mortgage. If I take on more work my baby would have to go to nursery or baby and I can’t afford and she suffers from dreadful separation anxiety it would cause her so much distress.

What do I do first? Do I work on my financial situation first so I can get to a point where I feel I can support us? I don’t know how.

Sorry. This has turned into an absolute brain dump of my thoughts. I can’t think clearly. I need help.

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CoffeeChocolateWine · 26/03/2019 11:19

*but he hasn’t terminated his friendship with this woman

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Musti · 26/03/2019 11:29

No wonder you feel the way you do, what an absolute bastard! Maybe father all financial information and speak to a lawyer to see how it would all work out? At least then you'd know your choices and would give you the confidence to make decisions that are good for you.

CoffeeChocolateWine · 26/03/2019 11:31

God I’m pathetic. I’m literally sat here refreshing the page waiting for someone to tell me what to do. How did I become this person?

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CoffeeChocolateWine · 26/03/2019 11:36

Thanks Musti. What financial information do I need? We have a joint bank account and put money into another account every month to cover the end of year tax bill and rainy day fund. That account is just in my name.

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Beerincomechampagnetastes · 26/03/2019 11:37

I think you’re in a very difficult position op - you’re doing all the emotion work while he’s off enjoying escapism.

You can’t go on like this, hoping he’ll prioritise you if you hang in lying enough.

What do you want to happen?

Beerincomechampagnetastes · 26/03/2019 11:37

*long

Kalettesarethebest · 26/03/2019 11:44

Hi,
I was you a few years ago.
My exh messed with my head and made me feel worthless and totally reliant on him.
It’s now over 4 years since he left me and my 2 girls. I’ve never felt better.
I was scared of the future how I would cope but I have and even flourished. You will too. Also your children will be in a less toxic environment.
The financial side is scary but there is help available.
You deserve better x

Kalettesarethebest · 26/03/2019 11:48

Look up www.entitledto.co.uk

CoffeeChocolateWine · 26/03/2019 11:52

I don’t know what I want to happen. What I want is for my previously wonderful loving husband to walk in through the door this evening and for this mess to just disappear. But that’s not going to happen.

Right now I feel like I need space and time on my own. But the way I feel at the moment I don’t feel physically strong enough to do everything on my own. I feel like I need his help physically but in all other ways I want him to fuck off. But I’m not sure I’m ready for it to be permanent. I’m sure some people will be along soon to shame me for feeling that way after everything but I just don’t feel strong enough yet.

A few weeks ago I was desperate to try counselling - anything to try and save us and our family. Again I’m sure people will shame me for that too...have some more self worth and all that.

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CoffeeChocolateWine · 26/03/2019 12:55

@Kalettesarethebest, thank you. Will take a look. Good to hear a positive story. It all seems so scary right now.

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Robin2323 · 26/03/2019 13:12

I can relate to so much of what you're saying.

Having little ones and being alone is a killer.

You have a lot of pressures and you can't tackle them all at once.

Di bite sized pieces.

Try some CBT free on the NHS.
You need to get your self esteem up.

You are a beautiful woman who has a lot of inner strength, you've just forgotten.

I can remember have a 10 month old dd and cried a lot and felt rubbish.

I was depressed and constantly
Argue with dh.

Wish I could have gone back and reassured myself.

WhoKnewBeefStew · 26/03/2019 13:25

There is absolutely no point in going to see a councillor if he’s continually seeing and lying about this woman. He obviously doesn’t want to fix your relationship, he wants his cake, and to eat it.

He’s showing you who he is - believe him! Actions speak louder than words, and all those types of sayings

hospitalbagfrenzy · 26/03/2019 14:57

Can you leave the kids with him and go and stay with a friend/ family for a few days? Change of scenery might just help you gather your thoughts. Even if you take the baby with you, it will be an outlet. Then you can start to build a plan of tackling things one at a time. All the very best Thanks

CoffeeChocolateWine · 26/03/2019 15:23

@Robin2323, I think you’re right, I need to build up my self esteem first, but it’s so hard when he’s here. Even when he’s trying to be nice and make an effort it’s a permanent reminder about how shit I feel.

Would love to go away and see my parents for a few days @hospitalbagfrenzy. But they are on an extended holiday at the moment and not due back for a couple of weeks. I really want to talk to my Mum but I don’t want to ruin their holiday. Will arrange when they are back. Baby would have to come too as still breastfeeding.

@WhoKnewBeefStew, I made exactly the same comment to him yesterday. He doesn’t get it. He keeps telling me I need to put it in perspective, it was only lunch with 2 other people. He’s (probably deliberately) missing the point. Firstly, this is someone I’ve asked him to cut ties with and specifically said that if he values me and values our marriage this is something he would be willing to do for me. He hasn’t. Secondly, he lied to me about it and clearly put some thought into the lie he was tell me about it. Thirdly, it wasn’t ‘just lunch’. He was out with her from 2.30 until 8.30. Fourthly, it is just the latest in a whole string of lies and shorty behaviour. I’m so angry with him and he is massively minimising it.

Thank you for the words and advice. Please keep it coming. I need as much positivity as I can get.

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CoffeeChocolateWine · 26/03/2019 15:24

*shitty behaviour not shorty behaviour!

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WhoKnewBeefStew · 26/03/2019 17:02

If he lied about it, then you clearly ‘dont’ need to put it into perspective! If he genuinely thought he was doing no wrong, then he had no reason to lie.

ConfCall · 26/03/2019 17:15

Hi OP. Maybe do something practical. See a solicitor (as a pp suggested) to find out wtere you stand financially and legally, and visit Citizens Adv Bureau too, re universal credit. Maybe plan to spend Easter with your parents?

PicsInRed · 26/03/2019 18:11

OP, he's a scumbag.

Have a good long look through the Chump Lady website. It's a revelation and a life saver.
Special mention to CL's missives on cake eating. Google the unified theory of cake.

Flowers
PicsInRed · 26/03/2019 18:13

And I doubt there ever were 2 other people at that "lunch", unless you count room service and the person who cleaned the room afterwards.

Total scumbag. Flowers

CoffeeChocolateWine · 26/03/2019 19:02

@WhoKnewBeefStew, exactly. Again, I have made this point to him multiple times.

@ConfCall, thank you. Sounds like a sensible plan. We already are spending Easter with my parents...might uninvite H though.

@PicsInRed, in his incredibly limited defence I do know that’s not the case (on this occasion anyway) as I snooped. I saw the receipt from the pub in his wallet which looked like four meals and I saw messages on his phone from one of the other people arranging the lunch and a couple of messages from after the drinks. In some ways I wish I could just find indisputable evidence that he’s cheated or that he would just own up to an affair...I would find it so much easier to kick him out.

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CoffeeChocolateWine · 28/03/2019 20:03

Hi there, OP here again. Someone upthread advised me to gather financial information. Could someone please spell out exactly what I would need? Banks accounts and details on our mortgages. Anything else?

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Sassypants82 · 28/03/2019 20:35

Payslips, income details, pension statements, investments, share certs. Statements of any accounts you have.

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