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Help me understand how to deal with this friendship

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usernamefromhell · 21/03/2019 21:46

Please try to be gentle with me here because I may have fucked up but I haven't intended harm. And apologies that this is long.

I'm trying to be as objective as possible here but also give relevant context.

I have an old friend (20+ years). She is a very dear friend who I've been through a lot with and she has been very supportive and will go the extra mile but is prone to being a bit of a diva and has form for big arguments with people who she perceives are not treating her well -- she's fallen out with several people in similar circumstances.

I work full time in a v stressful job and have a DC and almost no childcare. DD's dad, who I'm divorcing, is barely in the picture, doesn't support me in any way (financial or practical). It's extremely difficult for me to get out of the house - I basically always have to use paid babysitters.

Friend has no DC and doesn't and never has had a full time job. She does work but in short, intense bursts with long periods without work, and she doesn't really get the stress levels inherent with office jobs and the commute that goes with them.

Friend and I see each other as much as possible -- we last saw each other about six weeks ago which admittedly is a fairly long time for us.

I cancelled on her two weeks ago due to illness. She subsequently cancelled on me the following week, also due to illness. Roll on last Saturday: I had been out the previous Friday (long planned). When the last of the cancelled meetings got cancelled (by her), we arranged for her to come to mine on the Saturday -- I knew I wouldn't be able to get out on that evening and offered to have a catch-up with her. My DC had stayed over on the Friday with good friends and was tired and specifically asked if we could have the Saturday together, just the two of us.

I texted friend on the lunchtime of that day, very apologetic, and said would she mind if we moved it because my DC had asked me to and I felt I had to respect this. She could have come after bedtime but in reality it would have meant not until post 9pm.

We then had a drink in the diary this week with another, mutual friend. I messaged both of them on Tuesday to check it was on. My friend replied (to both of us) that she had other plans, which we were a bit Hmm about but was left. Me and mutual friend agreed to reschedule.

My friend later texted just me to say she'd deliberately pulled out of the drink this week because she was so furious with me for cancelling on her. I followed up with an apology which was a bit half-hearted, making the point that I don't like cancelling on people but due to my circumstances this is sometimes unavoidable.

Friend has now gone absolutely nuclear and sent me a text yesterday saying she is at the end of her rope with me etc.

On the one hand, I really regret that she feels like this. I understand that its shitty to be cancelled on twice, and I feel I owe her an apology. On the other, I feel that this is an over-reaction on a fairly massive scale which is childish and a bit controlling. She cancelled me once so is at least one third responsible for the fact we haven't met up, and then threw a tantrum affecting an innocent third party in order to make a point. While it is incumbent on me to do my best not to let her down, I think she needs to understand that due to my situation these things will happen from time to time and that I shouldn't be made to wear a hair shirt when it does happen.

Every day is so stressful for me that I just feel I don't have emotional space for this kind of friendship any more. We're in our 40s and while I really value old girlfriends and move heaven and earth to keep up with them, I don't want to feel that things like this which happen to people all the time are going to lead to a huge emotional meltdown, a bollocking and a gigantic reckoning every time they occur. It feels unrealistic, childish and a touch controlling and I can't be bothered with it.

I know I won't be able to move past this with her without a row, a long, tear-filled discussion and many apologies on my part (which I don't really feel like making). For now, I'm just leaving it. But if it comes down to rescuing this friendship on her terms or refusing to be dragged into the drama, what should I do? Has it run its course? And is this why I'm not feeling hugely apologetic? Or am I being a selfish cow?

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NotTheFordType · 21/03/2019 21:53

Fuck that.

"I'm sorry you feel like that. fuckity bye All the best for the future. xx"

Fuck the drama. You cannot have children and have time for drama too.

Drama tried to recreate the attention not given in childhood, or only rewarded when child was dramatic. You don't want your child learning this.

Whatdoyouknowwhenyouknownowt · 21/03/2019 21:58

Aw, good on you managing so well in the circumstances. Sounds very dramatic on her part, you're not kids. I would hope for more support really, given kids & divorce, etc.

ArkAtEee · 21/03/2019 22:12

I can give you the other side. I ended a friendship recently due to something similar (except I'm the one with the small child, ex-friend has grown up children). He too thought it was an overreaction and failed to remember times he had let me down including a sticky situation with concert tickets that left me £100 out of pocket. The last incident was strikingly similar to yours, fairly trivial, but it was the straw that broke the horses back.

usernamefromhell · 21/03/2019 22:27

ArkAtEee I do sort of get this. I just feel that friendships shouldn't be this much hard work. I understand that being let down is annoying and upsetting, and I'm fine with being told that I've been a twat about it. I do want her to be my friend but I don't want this level of emotion and drama in a friendship. It's just way too much for me and its making me wonder if we're suited as friends any more.

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Jux · 21/03/2019 22:44

"Hey Friend, shit happens, it's life. At our age we don't really heed to make it into a fecal fountain!"

Jux · 21/03/2019 22:44

need not heed

Smotheroffive · 21/03/2019 22:51

Life with kids is often too hectic to keep up with friends.

Lizzie48 · 21/03/2019 22:57

She does sound very dramatic, considering that she cancelled once herself. You're right, OP, friendships are not meant to be such hard work once you're an adult. That's what you expect from children's friendships; my DD2 (7) keeps falling out with her best friend and then making up, but we're supposed to grow out of it.

It depends whether you want the drama in your life that she brings; she's unlikely to change, I think.

InfiniteCurve · 21/03/2019 23:09

How old is your DC? And what do you do on Sunday's? Cos actually I would have been upset/irritated to be cancelled on for a reason like that unless there were other extenuating circumstances ( Ill child,family crisis ).
I am reluctant to make waves so wouldn't have said anything to you,and I wouldn't have pulled out of the drinks,but still...
And if I had committed to meet a friend I would have explained that to my child,fixed on what we could do together,and if friend had been planning a long visit,maybe shortened it,but it's a whole day,and I can't see why you can't have friend time and child time.

ArkAtEee · 21/03/2019 23:12

I'm not saying you're a twat and your friend is definitely at fault also. In my situation, I felt my time was valuable too and I should have made that point before I got to exasperation level, where I didn't really want to make up.

usernamefromhell · 21/03/2019 23:15

InfiniteCurve fair enough. I do get this. Maybe I should apologise.

My DC is 8. Sundays are always difficult for me because I usually have to work in the evenings. I was feeling guilty as I hadn't seen my child for 24 hours. Maybe that was misplaced.

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KylieKoKo · 21/03/2019 23:19

I don't think it sounds like either of you are that bothered about seeing each other to be honest.

usernamefromhell · 21/03/2019 23:19

ArkAtEee I can get the thing about her feeling I don't value her time and I'm prepared to apologise to her for that if necessary.

I'm just quite angry at the melodrama: I have come out of an abusive marriage and she knows I loathe anything that smacks of bullying or control. And the passive aggression. I just don't have the stamina for any of that and I instinctively want to withdraw from it now.

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usernamefromhell · 21/03/2019 23:21

KylieKoKo so why the nuclear reaction on her part then? Is it just about control? Why flounce out, pull out of social events and issue ultimatums if she isn't even that bothered? That isn't a rhetorical question I just genuinely don't understand why she would react in that way.

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sackrifice · 21/03/2019 23:23

'Hi. Thanks for your message. Give me a call if and when you grow the fuck up. Until then, forget it'.

Whatdoyouknowwhenyouknownowt · 21/03/2019 23:27

Maybe pushing you into telling her to do one, so she can feel aggrieved?

Dieu · 21/03/2019 23:29

She sounds annoying, but I wouldn't cancel on a friend just because my kids were tired after a sleepover, and asked me to (unless of course they were unwell, or something).
Your heart is obviously no longer in the friendship, and I think you have to own that.

lazyspoon · 21/03/2019 23:35

Nope fuck that! The child comes first and she's being incredibly immature. I'd just leave it and wait until she texts you. When/if she does, forget what's gone on and make an arrangement.

ValleyClouds · 21/03/2019 23:39

I am in a similar circumstance except I am the friend without DC who has had a somewhat chaotic life due to circumstances beyond my control

It is tough to watch your friends meeting expected milestones and time and again falling further behind or straying further away from "common ground" and "being in a different circumstance in life"

Friends then become rightly and understandably consumed by their own lives and it's hard not to feel like the cheerleader on the sidelines all the time.

And in this way, I feel that I have lost one of my closest friends who said being a Mum wouldn't affect our friendship but it did.

It's not all one way, I have to add, before she became a Mum I noticed a real tendency to maximise anything that was going on with her and to minimise or ignore anything going on with me. The addition of parenthood was just another factor that added to selfish and egocentric narrative tendencies, and so before she became a Mum I had realised that the friendship wasn't working for me

I think she possibly wholeheartedly attributes my distance to her motherhood and possible jealousy on my part but the distancing came from my recognising the disparity in the importance she placed on my life and what I had going on, because it wasn't conventional versus the importance and enthusiasm I was expected to give on my end about her life

A good friendship is about mutual support and balance, and if the equilibrium gets lost it's just hard work

And the saddest thing?

I don't miss her.

And when I do have contact with her it reinforces why. SadThanksWine

I hear you OP, even though it's a reverse situation

usernamefromhell · 21/03/2019 23:57

Dieu I don't think its as simple as my heart not being in the friendship, although this is ringing some bells. I do hugely value her and I enjoy her company massively. I really don't want to lose her.

But she's always been someone who pushes buttons and crosses boundaries and I feel I have to be quite disciplined about not allowing her to take over -- she's a very dominant personality, she expects a lot. I feel that at our age and stage this kind of behaviour is unacceptable: it would be deemed a massive red flag in a romantic/sexual relationship and shouldn't be tolerated in a friendship either.

I think she is entitled to feel aggrieved with me but I don't feel that I should have to tolerate this sort of emotional manipulation.

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ArkAtEee · 21/03/2019 23:57

I agree with you that she's being a bit dramatic with not saying anything at the time and then involving the other friend. It sounds like the friendship has run its course.

usernamefromhell · 22/03/2019 00:02

ValleyClouds this is interesting: we did go through a difficult stage after my DC was born when she was obviously struggling with the difference in lifestyle etc. Things became a lot easier after my marriage broke down and my DC got older -- I got a lot of the "old me" back and I thought we'd got past this.

Part of the problem is that she is naturally quite self-centred and when she is here I feel she quite often ignores or talks over my DC. I don't think children should always be the centre of attention and they need to respect adult friendships and relationships, but I also don't really want to subject my kid a lot to the company of an adult who is clearly frustrated and irritated by their presence. I kind of feel that if she is sufficiently irritated by my child being there that she can't engage, she shouldn't be coming over in the first place.

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LemonJuiceandSugar · 22/03/2019 00:04

Tricky. I suspect you’d already checked out mentally from the friendship a little whether you were conscious of it or not. I understand - I’ve done the same

ValleyClouds · 22/03/2019 00:16

The difference is, OP, crucially, that she was the last friend of mine to have children and I had always been noticeably involved with and not at all irritated by friends children, with minimal impact on the friendship

By contrast she was always very dismissive of/ irritated by even friends children and not at all interested, didn't attend christenings, didn't send any baby gifts or subsequent birthdays. Those kids of our mutual friends basically didn't exist to her.

Her own pregnancy brought about this sudden I AM THE FIRST MOTHER TO HAVE EVER MOTHERED BOW BEFORE ME AND BUY MY CHILD THINGS BUT ONLY THE THINGS THAT I WANT and this is how she approached all friends including those with children she had ignored.

It came on the back of a serious issue I'd had in which she had let me down to a callous degree and my reaction was :

"I have always supported my parent friends but fuck me if I don't have it in me to do this for you, because it's all about you isn't it?"

That was a real turning point for me

Lizzie48 · 22/03/2019 00:39

@ValleyClouds

The fact that you don't miss her tells you that you had probably been checking out of the friendship for some time before it finally broke apart.

I've been there. I had a university friend I was close to for many years, but it was a very one-sided friendship; she would pour her heart out to me, I would listen and reassure. There were clear signs of her selfishness for a long time before I was prepared to acknowledge it. When I was going through a bad time and tried to confide in her, she said she couldn't cope and could we change the subject?

She had MH issues and because of this I made allowances for her. It came to a head when she asked me to lend her a large sum of money, because her flat was about to be repossessed. She had 2 properties and she said she was in the process of selling up so we would get our money back. It turned out that her debts exceeded the value of the two properties.

She sent us Christmas cards and newsletters for a couple of years afterwards, regaling is with details of overseas holidays. When the cards arrived, my DH used to say sarcastically, 'I wonder if there's a cheque enclosed?'

So there was no way the friendship could have survived. And, like you, I don't miss her at all. I did kick myself for being a mug, though.

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