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Is there any point in trying to make our marriage work?

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Townsville · 20/03/2019 12:18

A bit of back ground.
I have been with DH for 16 years, married for 8 years. We have two DC together. Eldest DC is 6 who has ASD.
DH moved out after another massive argument 3 months ago. The argument started with toilet tissue would you believe. And it ended with him coming right up to my face, with his fist raised at my face threatening to punch me and saying he wants to kill me.

This is what happened that day:
We were talking about the toilet roll paper we're currently using (he had bought them and this was the first time we had purchased these) and I said the ones we are using now are finishing too quickly as it needs changing three times a day. So not to get them anymore, we'll just get the ones we were using before as one roll lasts at least one day.

He started getting defensive saying the full bag of the new tissue lasts longer than our usual one so is better. I said why are you getting all worked up, it's not like you made it the tissue, but I said this in a light hearted, jokey tone so not to piss him off. I said I'm just saying each roll finishes too quickly and we use 3 rolls a day. He still kept going on saying I'm shouting and why am I not talking normally. So starting to get annoyed now, I said why are you getting so defensive over the tissue, did your dad make it; he then goes no, your dad made it.
(So to explain here, both his dad and my dad passed away when we were both little and my mum passed away just three months ago. And yes I know I was wrong to mention his dad, but tbh I was still feeling raw after he swore at my parents to swear at me only a few days after my mum passed away, not to mention his horrible behaviour since my mums passing, where he didn't even comfort me after hearing my mum passed away, was being a moody asshole as usual with me and the kids the very next day. Also he has previously brought my father into arguments on a number of occasions; e.g. once when he threatened to burn the house down and I said I'm calling the police if he continues, he said call them coz the police are your fucking dad).

After he said that, I lost it and started calling him names such as you fucking dog, how dare you speak to me like that. It's ok for you to swear at my mum just days after her passing and disrespect my dad in arguments but if I do it, you go off your fucking head you hypocritical bastard.
At this point, he came right up to my face in a move to punch me, his fist mm from my face.
I said yeah, that's all you're good at, abusing your wife and your children. Go on then fucking punch me if you want to.
He said, I really feel like just killing you right now. I told him to get the fuck out and never come back and leave the keys.
He said he will burn my car and smash the windows and break in for his clothes.

He called me ugly, a slapper, said he regrets marrying me and made a mistake marrying me. He said I tricked him by painting my face with make up when really I'm an ugly slapper.
I said he's the one that tricked me as I didn't know what a fucking monster he is, you ugly bastard. He attempted to put his hands around my throat and came right up to my face again and said, I WILL hit you. I said go on then do it. All this happened whilst my youngest DC was just in the next room watching tv.

About 10 mins later he left.
Since then he has been round to see the kids stayed over about 2/3 nights in total, once when the kids were ill, another night when he took the kids bed and went to sleep with them.

He continues to blow hot and cold, one minute he'll be all jolly, beaming and in an upbeat mood, come over to me and try to out his arms around me. I'd be be like what are you doing, get off. But he laughs and thinks it's a fucking joke.
Then other times he'll just ignore me and just talk to kids or just sit here moodily.

Every time he's here, I get so annoyed. He still continues to whine to the kids, saying daddy's ill, I can't carry you or I can't play with you. Or say to them, I've not ate anything all day, I don't have the energy ok. Does my head in listening to him talking to the kids like that.
It puts me in a bad mood when he's here and that can make me short tempered with the kids. Whereas as soon as he's gone, I feel so light and calm and stress free again.

He's asked me several times is there any hope for us, I've said no we're over. He'll say fine, let's get a divorce then. Then will come over the next day, all jolly and in a good mood and try and suddenly give me a hug. I tell him to stop it and move away but can't say much as kids in the room. The kids see this and my eldest DC will say to me, you're always mean to dad. He's only trying to hug you and being nice to you.

So I guess what I wanted to ask you all was, can we come back from this? Will counselling be of any help to us? Or shall we just call it a day?

I just want to do what's best for the kids and don't know what to do. They miss their dad (not much, as they don't ever mention him when he's not here) and when he comes to see them they tell him not to leave and tell him to stay.

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SuperLoudPoppingAction · 20/03/2019 12:23

It sounds shambolic. And abusive.
I don't think counselling would help, no.

But maybe for yourself, try and get some counselling or go on the freedom programme.

Shoxfordian · 20/03/2019 12:23

Divorce him
He's been violent to you. Don't let him stay over in your house anymore. No coming back. Divorce divorce divorce

Happynow001 · 20/03/2019 12:29

This isn't good OP for any of you but especially for the kids.

Did the children hear and see from the next room when you were yelling with each other and he had his hands around your throat/threatening to kill you? For me there would be no going back and I would be taking legal advice on my next steps.

Additionally you may wish to have some counselling for yourself to deal with the loss of your parents and the toxic relationship you have with your DH.

SkinnyPete · 20/03/2019 12:37

My XW used to threaten to punch me, throw stuff at me, break stuff and ended with her pulling a big kitchen knife on me threatening to "fucking stab" me.

I should have left then, and admittedly it stopped after that incident, but was pretty indicative of what she thought of me. We continued another 10 years with her mental health problems, alcoholic, hardly working, sexless, suicidal and culminating in her cheating on me.

Run.

Townsville · 20/03/2019 12:38

Thanks for your replies. We weren't shouting or yelling, voice levels were at normal levels to be honest but obviously we were using angry tones.
DC would not have heard as living room door was closed, and then there's a hallway and then the kitchen which had the door closed also. So thankfully DC didn't witness or hear this.

The one good thing about this is that we had a "wedding" but never registered our marriage, and so not legally registered as married. The house is in my name only.

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fauxhuman · 20/03/2019 12:38

Run

Happynow001 · 20/03/2019 12:41

The one good thing about this is that we had a "wedding" but never registered our marriage, and so not legally registered as married.

This sounds odd. How sure are you around the legal aspects of this?

PicsInRed · 20/03/2019 12:48

Christ that all sounds heart sinkingly familiar, especially turning a normal, harmless, couply banter (did you make it or something) into a serious personal attack. Gaslighty as all hell. It chips away at any sense of "fun" and "spirit" left in you, which is probably the intent.

Townsville, are you Australian? I'm just wondering from a dom violence perspective.

Townsville · 20/03/2019 12:50

I haven't sought any legal advice on this. Maybe it would be a good idea to do that tbh.

But basically, we had a wedding. However we never registered our marriage with the registry office.

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Townsville · 20/03/2019 12:55

SkinnyPete
That's awful. Glad to hear you got out. We were in the kitchen and I must admit my heart was in my mouth, thinking how he could easily just grab a knife the angry state he was in.

He has never been physically abusive, but when he gets angry like that I do fear for my safety.

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CountessVonBoobs · 20/03/2019 12:57

So did you have an officiant there who has the power to legally marry you but you just never completed the last step of the paperwork? Or did you just have a party and call yourselves "married"?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/03/2019 13:03

Townsville

re your comment:-
"DC would not have heard as living room door was closed, and then there's a hallway and then the kitchen which had the door closed also. So thankfully DC didn't witness or hear this".

Sound travels. They would have heard muffled sounds coming from the two of you at the very least. Do not kid yourself that they did not hear anything at all, they know that things are not good to say the very least at home. You cannot afford to teach them such damaging lessons on relationships.

What are you getting out of this relationship now, what is in this still for you?. Do not stay because or for your kids; they will not thank you for doing that. Seek legal advice re your situation asap.

What sort of ceremony did you have; was it actually something like a nikah?.

What do you want to teach your children about relationships and just what are they learning here?.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/03/2019 13:04

He does not have to be physically abusive (yet) because what he is doing to you at the present time more than works for him. He enjoys seeing your distress here and enjoys too the power and control he has over you. Your children do not forget are witness to all this as well and their home is certainly not the sanctuary it should be.

Townsville · 20/03/2019 13:05

PicsInRed

Yes, pretty much he's like that most of the time. Can't have a normal conversation with him. Kids can't say anything to him or joke around with him. He's so sensitive, yet it's ok for him to make snide remarks at everyone else. He gets so defensive and is passive aggressive with them. If they say, dad you're like an elephant cos you snore, he gets annoyed and says yeah, I know, don't come near me then if I'm an elephant, in an arsey voice.

My eldest who has ASD struggles with certain concepts and might say to his dad, it was because you moved the table the crayons fell. Then DH response to him will be, yeah I know everything's always my fault, in an arsey voice.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/03/2019 13:08

There is really nothing to work on here other than your escape route out from your abuser.

hellsbellsmelons · 20/03/2019 13:19

My eldest who has ASD
Well this can be hereditary and your DH sounds like he may have it too.
I think some tests would be a start for him.

In the mean-time, stop letting him stay over.
Separate properly.
You know this isn't right.
You are far happier and less stressed with him out of the house!

SandyY2K · 20/03/2019 13:30

It's a very toxic marriage and the verbal abuse on both sides is awful. All this your dad, my dad is really shocking.

He has proceeded to threaten you and became physically abusive to add to the already bad situation.

Time to discuss 'divorce' and splitting your assets.

Townsville · 20/03/2019 13:53

We had a traditional religious ceremony (Nika) but as we didn't then have a civil ceremony to register it, we are not technically married legally (as far as I'm aware, will check)

Yes I agree, this is not good for the DC and I feel I have tried to make an effort with him all these years for the DC. I don't get anything out of the relationship, apart from seeing the kids having their dad around. But when he is around, the atmosphere in the house is awful and the kids will pick up on that. I've told him many times to act normal around the kids but if anything, he gets more moody in front of them. This then puts me in a bad mood and then of course the kids are then in the middle of this tense atmosphere and I hate it.

I just want to do the best for my kids. I don't want them living in a house where their parents hardly ever speak to one another and they don't get to witness any affection between them.

And then there's the times where DH is mardy at the kids. He simply won't do anything for the kids on his own accord. If I say to him can you get the kids ready for bed, he'll pull a face and then get up. Immediately I can sense the tension in him and his annoyance. He will tell the kids to go up, then a few mins later I can hear him speaking aggressively to the kids if they are messing about with the water or aren't brushing their teeth or not putting their pyjamas on. Then of course I will go upstairs and say why are you speaking to the kids like that. He will say, well what do you want me to do if they don't listen. So then I'll say shouting and threatening them isn't gonna help is it. You can't just order them to do something and expect them to do it. Then he'll say I can't be assed with this shit and go downstairs.

So I'll put the kids to sleep. Then go down and ask him what he's playing at. He'll sulk and not say anything despite being all argumentative in front of the kids. So I'll say why the hell aren't you saying anything and if you can't handle the kids and can't do anything for them, why are you here. You might as well go out.

He will then either continue to ignore me and watch tv, and occasionally he may actually say fine I'll go and then walk out.

I am so tired of this cycle. Can't deal with it anymore. I hate that my kids are stuck on the middle of this and want to sort this out once and for all.

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PicsInRed · 20/03/2019 13:54

Hellsbellsmelons

I didn't want to go straight there...but that was absolutely my first thought too.

It is undiagnosed but very apparent in my husband's family (apparent as in some very low functioning persons who would absolutely be diagnosed today). Townsville's account was eerily familiar.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/03/2019 14:10

Do not continue to do your bit here to teach your children such damaging lessons on relationships. You would be better off apart from your abusive husband and you need to get off the merry go around here.

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