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Trying so hard to mend things but keep falling into the same arguments

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Namestheyareachangin · 07/03/2019 22:20

I feel a total failure tonight. My DP and me are struggling to get along ever since our daughter was born. First child challenges mostly but it has highlighted some really fundamental differences in our whole approach and worldview. We've also had a lot of stress in the past two years (new baby, moved house twice, new jobs for us both, bereavement etc).

I have considered ending it (i daresay he has too) but they say you shouldn't make any major decisions in the baby years as everything is magnified by no sleep etc. I also want another baby and want my children to have the same dad (even if it ends up not working out longer term). He is not so keen on a second child - he says quite rightly and sensibly that it has pushed us apart, things are only just starting to get easier with DD and another baby would set us right back and we'll end up even further apart emotionally. I agree with everything he says logically, but whereas for me its worth the risk, for him I don't think it is.

SO I've been trying really hard not to quarrel with him - things he does and ways he thinks that drive me up the wall I've been trying to ignore, when he gets flustered over something i don't think is a big deal i've been trying to support him and validate his feelings instead of tell him why he shouldn't be bothered etc. I am trying to increase our intimacy too, but because I am always so tired, DD still wakes up several times a night anddue to low libido at the moment I need to get myself in the mood quite far in advance, I tend to 'book it in' and this probably seems a bit by numbers and lacking in spontaneity to him.

I tell myself that I am doing this for us, and to get us to a place where he feels confident we can manage another baby; but I do feel a lot of resentment sometimes that I am putting all the effort into the emotional side of our relationship - he is completely inarticulate about emotions, and I think it's likely he has alexithymia or possibly a personality disorder as feelings are like a foreign language to him. I try to 'read his love language' and see the things he does for the household and organising our lives as the expression of his affection for me and DD. But he doesn't seem to make any attempt to see the ways I try to express affection (verbally) as valid, doesn't give me anything back in that way - I feel like I am doing all the benefit of the doubt, compromise, see things his way, appreciate him stuff and he doesn't even try to meet me half way, just sits back being dissatisfied with our relationship but doing nothing and suggesting nothing that might make it better.

And tonight all this resentment just boiled over and we ended up having a stupid row about nothing very much. Looking back I can see how from his POV he did nothing wrong, and was in fact trying to be useful; but from my POV it all comes back to the same pattern of wanting to control everything practical in both his and my life, whilst being completely absent emotionally and apathetic about our relationship.

Is it normal to feel like your partner just doesn't like you very much? Not in a malicious, trying to do anything sinister way - just the sense you are a necessary evil he is working around, rather than someone he specifically likes or actively wants to be around?

And is it babyish not to be able to just see beyond that, appreciate the fact that my whole life is very well organised thanks to him, and just work for the best outcome in the parameters of what we do have, and stop wanting that emotional connection and feeling of being valuable to him which is clearly never going to come?

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CountessVonBoobs · 11/03/2019 12:43

Honestly, it gobsmacked me a bit when you said that your relationship had just, with hard work, got to where you enhanced each other's lives pre-baby. That to me is a basic fundamental of a viable relationship - I'm not even able to really imagine being with someone long term where that wasn't a given. It says to me that you were never really compatible.

And I have to second the feedback you've had about how you basically seem to be doing this not because you love him and want to reconnect with him, but so he will agree to another baby. You can't fix a relationship all by yourself - it's a mutual thing or it doesn't happen at all.

Namestheyareachangin · 11/03/2019 12:59

@CVB you're right, for a healthy relationship that would be a given. I've never had one of those. I'm broken and I attract broken people. Trouble is i made a lot of major life decisions (including having a much loved child) before I realised how true that is. I'm now just trying to make the best decisions I can based on the situation I'm in, ideally without having to burn my and her whole life to the ground, salt the earth and start again.

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toddman70 · 11/03/2019 13:08

In your original post in say you try to read his love language and then respond back verbally and he doesn't "see'e it or recognize. Sounds as if you both are not "speaking" the love language your partner "understands". You both are trying to say you love each other but are doing it in ways that the other is not interrupting as caring, or loving. Have a clam sit down conversation with DP, and explain what you feel is missing from your relationship, ask if DP thinks he could meet those needs or desires, and then ask if he'd be willing to make an honest attempt to fulfill what is missing. That would give you a really good idea on what kind of value you have in DP's eyes.

CountessVonBoobs · 11/03/2019 13:13

I do really get that you have to deal with what is now, I do. And if I had a magic relationship fixing formula that wouldn't require work from him, I'd give it to you. But if I had that, I'd also be posting from the Maldives right now.

Bottom line: right now you're giving it everything you've got and it still isn't working. He isn't giving it everything he's got and doesn't seem to be willing to. I think you have one shot at a conversation where the two of you discuss the stakes, ie the fact that you are on the rocks, and you ask him if he can get on board with changing things with you and giving you what you need. If he can't or won't - the next step is a trial separation.

Namestheyareachangin · 11/03/2019 14:04

@CVB

Thanks. Sorry to be tetchy. I'm just stressed out.

MN is a funny thing, reading threads on here is what got me really rationalising how not OK my relationship was, but also makes me think that relationships in general are shitty, dismal and unsatisfying for women and my OH is far from the worst thing going out there.

The shit women on here put up with and then ask if somesuch trifling episode is unreasonable makes me think that having a man who cooks, cleans, takes his turn having a day off when the toddler is sick, doesn't hit me or verbally abuse me or stop me going out for a drink, and all I'm bothered about is his and my feels, is really pretty fantastic and I should stop trying to wreck my nice life by poking at the 'problems'.

But then I read something like your post and think "No, really, there is a minimum standard of happiness and unity which is not being met here." And I am aware my faculties and background do not equip me with the objectivity to know what is 'normal', or acceptable.

Thus slightly pointless posts on MN, asking other people to tell me what to do when the only answer to that question will have to come from inside my own broken unreliable head. Which may mean I am either submitting to an unhealthy borderline abusive relationship, or am destroying a perfectly good life because I don't know how to be happy.

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CountessVonBoobs · 11/03/2019 14:14

makes me think that relationships in general are shitty, dismal and unsatisfying for women and my OH is far from the worst thing going out there.

Sure, he's not the worst thing going out there, but since when did you have to put up with "not the worst thing going", especially since the worst thing in the context of a marital relationship is really, really fucking grim? (And sadly all too common.)

And remember that women who are in functional relationships that improve their lives don't post about them on Mumsnet. I don't post about my marriage because I don't need to. We have two kids and the baby stage is stressful, we're not as blissful as we were when it was just the two of us, we slept great and the money went further. But we still love each other, he improves my life every day, and we work on problems together.

It would be better for both you and your DD for you to be single if staying in your relationship means living in a stew of unhappiness and resentment. She can still have a great relationship with her dad if he puts the effort in to build it.

lifebegins50 · 11/03/2019 14:40

Op, it seems as if you are at a crossroads and need to decide what you deserve from a relationship.

Ex was actually pretty good when DC were small because he loved the attention they gave him however when they got older he couldn't handle their "rejections" and coupled with new egotistical job and midlife crisis he became very abusive.

You don't seem to like him, which could be because he is highly selfish as it's a very unattractive trait but you also illly there is no emotional connection. If this continues then you will be modelling this relationship for your daughter.

Do you ever manage to discuss your issues in a healthy way where you both feel closer afterwards?
If he has emotional blindness then it's very draining and you will feel like a shell of yourself after a few years.

I know a woman whosevparents had her (because the mum wanted a baby) when their marriage was on trouble. She deeply regrets that they made that decision as she feels it was selfish to bring a child into the world knowing the parents will always have conflict. So whilst you might feel you are doing your current daughter a favour by having a sibling you will never know the impact to the new child.

I am so sorry for your loss especially in such circumstances, was your H supportive during that time?

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