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time to end it? need help, dont know what to do

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BERKSDAD1983 · 05/03/2019 09:37

My partner and I have been together for nearly 3 years. We have her 8 year old girl and a 4 month old baby.
I moved into the house after 18 months. 1 year later I bought her ex-husbands share of the house. We are just finishing up a garage conversion which gives us more room.

For a long time, my partner and I go once a month with an argument. It usually has something to do with me, or my family!
With me, she feels I have kept her in a box and not fully integrated her into my small friend network. I've always been the shy type, I don’t go out drinking or do events. I like the tv on to relax - im not a couch potatoe - infact before I met my partner I used to spend a lot of time doing fitness in the AM and evenings. But I stopped all that when I started staying over with my partner because it would mean either waking up early and going to gym - therefore waking up her daughter too early. Or, doing in the evenings - and not seeing them until gone bed time. So I stopped. I also stopped watching football on tv over the weekends so we could do family stuff.
My partner has always had issues with anxiety and lack of trust - her ex-husband had a lot of affairs that came to light after an accident put him in hospital and his phone access was needed! My partner was married to him - although she says when walking down the isle she never wanted to go through with it. But she did….! And stuck with him for years to help him recover - then finally took the leap to leave him when he had recovered.
Over the years we've had our arguments. One of the main ones was that my best friend was female - I'd known her for 15 years. My partner thought she was very attractive and always had suspicions there was something more to us, especially since the early days we dated I sometimes went there for dinner and movie once a month. So I stopped seeing my best friend, lost contact. But my partner still to this day doesn’t believe it was platonic. She always think there was some sort of feeling.
Other arguments tend to be around my family - I am indian, and my partner is not.
She feels my mum is controlling because on Sundays she would invite everyone around for roast dinners - so kid swould be there. And everyone can just 'relax and kids get on with it'. But my partenr felt that was her way of taking control of everyone. Becayse my parents also look after my two nieces every week day. My parents love to do it, to help out as child care is costly. But my partner sees it as controlling.
A big argument came when, to set the scene - one day, we told my mum that tomorrow our eldest was with her dad. When the next day came, my mum sent a text to my partner saying along the lines 'did she go to her dads? Do you want to me look after baby so you can go out?' - my partner read this as my mum not evening caring to mention looking after the eldest - just her granddaughter. She saw red. And felt a divide had been created and that was it - that my mum only cared about baby and me. Not her and her daughter. I tried to argue the toss but she wasn’t having it.
My parents don’t often come to our house. They don’t live far but my dad is primary carer for my nan. With looking after two kids too - travel to us not always easy. But my family have said a few things that has my partner very anxious about wanting people around:
• For the garage conversion my dad asked if we going to get the carpet replaced in the lounge.
○ My partner thought that was his way of saying he didn’t like the carpet and we should get laminate.
§ I didn’t hear this, but months later I questioned that to my parents - and my dad said he was trying to be subtle because he was hoping we would say yes, so he could surprise us with paying for it. He wanted to gift us something.
â—‹ My brother visited us at xmas when we had a tree in the lounge. When he recently visited he said, we have loads of room now there is no tree.
§ My partner took this as insult, saying that our lounge isnt big enough - our house isnt big enough.
§ He also kept his jacket on when with us, so my partner saw this as 'he cant wait to leave
â–¡ But I questionned that - and he said he drove his car for 2 hours with no air con, so was freezing!!
â—‹ My friends, and I only have two close friends - live relatively close. And after 3.5 months of new baby, they only just met baby. I have tried to get a date booked with them but it's so difficult and then we've had abundance of illnesses going around.
§ Our baby has an underactive thyroid. I told one my friends that, and when they mentioned it my partner later said she was surprised they knew because I didn’t tell her that I told him. I was a bit shocked that I needed to relay that back to her…..
â—‹ Phone use at home - when I get home, I always put my phone on the cabinet and leave it there until bed time. I never use my phone at home. My partner however is religiously on hers. Mine never goes off, because I have synced to apple watch - so the watch vibrates.
§ My partner pointed out that when it comes to bed time I am only ever on whatsapp at bedtime when she out the room getting ready for bed. I point out that I never use my phone, I only looked at it at bedtime - and unlike her, I don’t have my phone out constantly because I prefer her company.
□ My partner however sees that I am hiding something - because she has eperienced all this before with phone secrecy. But I have none! I just don’t use my phone as much as her.
○ We were recently watching a documentary on netflix - its called Dirty John - about man that keeps secrets and a bigamist. He has whirlwind romance with rich lady, and they get married after 2-3 months. And then he becomes possessive and stalkerish. He alienates the mom from her kids. And then tries to take control of her finances….! We watched that which stars Eric Bana. It’s based on a real life story, because after watching it we then watched the actual documentary on it.
§ My partner and I then got talking about past relationships. I told her that id only ever dated 2 people. I know all about her past, proposed to a few times, married once. But she says she doesn’t know much about my past like that.
§ She was very cold with me the morning after. It was because of that brief chat - she said I was so closed off that she thought I only ever had 1 girlfriend. But I pointed out that I had one at late teens that last a few weeks. And then later in life late 20's, I dated someone for 6 months - maybe less. But it was long distance. It was a non-event. I didn’t describe it properly but said it was just convenience. I shot myself there. Because that’s not what I meant - I meant we starting talking and got on well and it evolved to being in a relationship. What I should have said, is that its like catfish - expect we had met. But it was long distance and nothing more and never going anywhere. We slept together once and that was it. And it just came to natural end.
§ My partner felt I had lied about my past like that. She has a good memory for recalling. And says she only ever thought I had one - so I was like, depends on how you classify a teen relationship that last weeks so ended up being non-event.
§ But it comes down to her thinking I am keeping her in a box and she doesn’t know my world all that much.
○ Early in life my partner tragically lost her mum and left with physical and mental scars. Trust and communication is important to her as if family. She has one biological brother that she doesn’t see much and who isnt very healthy. She has foster family not far away and very close to them.
§ I have two brothers, and cousins - all living within 15 minutes drives from us. So I have a lot of family around. My parents don’t really do big gathering with cousins, just usually my brotehrs and their family. But my partner has always referred to that as 'your lot' - but I remember that term originally came from her describing how indian families tend to be large.
§ I also remember watching a bakery show - she immediately singled out the indian woman and said I don’t like her!
§ We also had a topic conversation about a crime that was committed. And the culprit was indian. However, my partner wasn’t talking to me at the time but when she said 'and that person was indian' she turned and pointed at me, like to make a statement. I was like - WTF does that mean.
§ My mum tries to help as much as she can - giving that she has my nieces and nan to look after. So asks if we can visit them at their house as it's easier. My partner takes offence to that, thinking they don’t like our house so will never come around. They do, sometimes - but not a lot as cant leave nan alone for too long. But I have always felt that because my mum offers help, asks about us - I always have this impression that she hates the fact I have a mum that is loving and caring - and here! Because she has always said about her mum, that she had many faults. Many! A lot! So I feel there is resistance on her part to accept my mum, and instead just find fault with everything.
This morning we had a big argument which was what I mentioned above about my 2 past relationships. My partner thinks im still hiding stuff - so when she kicked off again I just left for work. Which is where I am now writing up all this!

I'm not hiding anything, and always try to be open. But I feel my partner has such a big problem with her anxiety that it's causing us to fall out more than it should.
I should add that with all the moments above, and there are others too - my partner is a self confessed hot head. She losses her tempter first before 'seeing the light'. She isnt physical, just very verbal and I've faced a lot of that heat - even for leaving cup of water bedside!

This is no doubt a lot for you to digest but I'd welcome all your thoughts and any advice on what I…we could do next?
Have to admit, I am feeling that I cant take anymore of her verbal temper.

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ElspethFlashman · 05/03/2019 09:44

What youre describing is very very dangerous.

She's alienated you from your friends, and she's going to succeed in alienating you from your family. You've started to walk on eggshells. You are being grilled about your entirely innocent past as if you did something wrong. She's starting to make negative cultural assumptions about you.

This is evolving into emotional abuse. She is using a lot of excuses. Her ex was shit, her childhood was shit. So now she's treating you like shit because of all that? That's not on.

Do you have parental responsibility? Are you on the birth cert?

ElspethFlashman · 05/03/2019 09:46

I would absolutely set out your stall here.

"I have done absolutely nothing wrong and I will not endure one more round of your temper. I would never speak to you like that and I will not allow anyone else to speak to me like that. Do you want to continue this relationship? Because I am becoming very unhappy."

BERKSDAD1983 · 05/03/2019 09:51

i do, and yes.
however i think that is massively jumping the gun to think about this.

She is a great mum and with her eldest did the bulk work of bringing her up for 5 years and her daddy is about - but because of his injury from past, he lacks short term memory so always need prompting and help to remember he is seeing his daughter.

I did think that maybe she was alienating at one point but i did look from her perspective that i havent really integrated her yet into my friends. a really good friend i grew up with lives 5 minute walk from our house, and since i moved in - i'd have thought we see them a lot. but we havent. we rarely have. we did try - but my partner was ill on 2 occasions. then they were ill. and i never want our eldest to miss out - neither does my partner, we always want her included in things.

i have thought on number of occasions her hot headedness is not an excuse for speaking to me the way that she does with verbal attacks.

i should say she never falls back on the excuse of her ex was shit, and childhood was shit. she is very strong and independant - actually saying that, she always reminds me that she could do this all on her own and doesnt need me. so i have to say i do feel expendable to her, whereas i always tell her i love her and could never be with out her.

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angstinabaggyjumper · 05/03/2019 09:52

Does she have any good points? Anything to lighten the load?

Bookworm4 · 05/03/2019 09:54

She is beyond unreasonable, has this just been since baby arrived or has there been signs of this behaviour before?

glitterbiscuits · 05/03/2019 09:58

You sound lovely. But you have given up a lot to be with her.
Her? No, she sounds very tense and unhappy.
I'd wonder if she had post natal depression but it sounds like she has always been like this.
I wonder if some joint counselling might help? Were you ever happy together?
Ive been married 25 years and I still look forward to spending time with my DH.
She has more to lose than you do if you end things. Does she know how you feel?

BERKSDAD1983 · 05/03/2019 10:03

does she have any good ponts? yes, loads. she has a very respectable job, money isnt great but it's something she loves and those she is responsible for and work for her, love her. she is passionate about that. and about trying to help. she is always an amazing mum and no doubts there about good she is.
I guess the more you write, the more the mind switches on - but saying that about being opinionated, she always has an opinon about something and always ends "well that’s what I think" - I'll hear that 3 times a day at least. If I don’t respond, she just assumes I don’t argue. But I've pointed out, that I just don’t have an opinion and don’t always need one. In fact, I do find when she says "well that's what I think" - it is confrontational.

She has always been this way.
When baby was born after a week, we had an argument. I was helping to do everything. This is new territory for me. So I was trying to help every moment. Even at night when she would feed, id be wide wake on standby with her, to help if needed. But she said I didn’t trust her to do anything. This was a big argument that she felt I had no trust in her. But infact it was more me trying to make sure I could help and try when needed. I didn’t want to be that dad sleeping and not giving a damn.

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hellsbellsmelons · 05/03/2019 10:04

Yes it's time to end it.
Just re-read what you have written there.
She's abusive.
She isolates you.
She verbally abuses you.
She just doesn't sound nice at all.
What is making you stay?
Love is not enough.
You cannot keep living like this.

Maybe she will listen if you sit her down and explain everything as you have to us. But I doubt it.
She can manage without you.
So let her!!!

BERKSDAD1983 · 05/03/2019 10:14

thank you glitterbiscuit. but i want to try for the sake of our children. ending it is the absolute last resort even though it's a question on my mind.

she doesnt think she has post natel - i actually think if i mentioned it, she was get hot headed and say thats my excuse for not addressing my isolation of her!! same with counselling, i think she would be hesitant. she has used talking therapies in the past, and it did help her to look at her anxieties to face the trauma she had as teen, which she never spoke to anyone about professionally before.
there are two things that right now i would like to change about her - her hotheadness which she instantly goes to conflict.
and how opinionated she is - as i feel both are her ways of creating conflict.

and you are right hellsbells, cant keep living like this. but if i moved on and whilst i would be there as much as possible for the children i know she would get stressed doing it on her own and would probably shout!

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angstinabaggyjumper · 05/03/2019 10:56

You can't really win with her can you?

BERKSDAD1983 · 05/03/2019 11:08

no you cant. in fact she see's the negative more than the positive and always quick to pass judgement. doesnt matter if she is wrong later, she will never admit it.

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Musti · 05/03/2019 11:16

She is vile. She is abusive. You and your family have done nothing wrong and she actively makes up issues where there is none. How on earth can you stand to be with her? Poor you and poor children. She is not a good mum, she is abusive and I'd be worried that once the children are older she'll treat them the way she treats you and not allow them friends, boyfriend's, independence and everything will be about her.

BERKSDAD1983 · 05/03/2019 11:32

Hi Musti - i would have to disagree with that. i do feel that i can take an outside of view of things so i would have to say that with everything i have said above, whilst is as accurate as can be and from my side - she is not vile. she is a great mum, absolutely she is. our eldest adores her, never wants to be away from her. they are a solid team having been just them for years.
they have a great bond and always talk.

i do however agree that i dont feel my family have done anything wrong.

i think she does have her anxieties, and prejudices, extremely opinionated from which conflict will arise.
im a very calm person, i am very laid back. if i have an opinion i keep to myself, unless absolutely neccessary. conflict isnt needed unless you want it. My partners brother, he once said he thought my brother was racist against white poeple - and that came from us having a baby shower and my brother didnt really say a word to anyone. my brother is like me - not great socially. but he is a PT so sociable when he is in his setting. But because of that, my partners brother made the declaration my brother is racist. i defended my brother to my partner and saying that wasnt on. but my partner was on the fence - "her brother is entitled to his opinion". - i dont know why she didnt back me, but that to me says she wants conflict....!!
i should point out that whilst i am inidian, our family actually have no friends that are indian. not through choice, but growing up and where they live - there are few indian people around. so all my friends, and my brothers - are white. i cant even speak or understanad the language.

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EhlanaOfElenia · 05/03/2019 11:43

I'm not sure I'd say she was abusive, she could be, but I don't think you've given enough information. You seem very passive. Your family want this, so you do this, your DW wants this, so you do this, you're always trying to 'help', you don't go out, you sit there with her all the time in the evening.

I have to ask, what do you do for yourself? Who are you? What are your interests? Your DW says you haven't integrated her with your friends, but in all honesty, do you even have true friends? Where are they? When do you see them? Only two close friends and in nearly 4 months you haven't seen them?

I think the both of you are a bad match. You didn't know each other well enough before you got together. She's over sensitive and touchy, and so scared of being treated badly that she is pre-empting it. You are passive, and lack your own individual personality. I hope you're both young, because then that might explain it.

BERKSDAD1983 · 05/03/2019 12:00

we both share a birthday week. i am 35 she is 36.
i dont really do anything for myself except wake up, do breakfasts for everyone - come home, clean up and rest with my partner. we did point out some time ago that we should spice up those evenings - so have started with games and talking. but with our eldest who goes to bed at 7:30 - 8 and stays awake until 9:30 we stay downstairs otherwise she will pester us in our room. and with baby, we are always busy.
my interests are sports - i used to love watching football, and hitting the gym. but i dont do either now.
true friends - that may actually be a good way of saying it. i have friends i grew up with and the two that are not far away are those. but as you grow and have families you kind of lose close contact. we had tried to arrange meets, but illness and just being busy made it difficult. one of these mates said he was waiting for me to get in contact and give the green light, because when baby was born, she had medical problem, then we had water leak in the house, then my partner got sepsis - so they took step back and wanted to wait until i said come by!!

she has always said we have opposing likes - so are a bad match - but thats what makes us a good fit.
im trying hard to fit in the family as the man - she does tend to call me mummys boy (because i still have old clothes are my parents house, and they would be my go-to people for help). but i always feel that is because i have my mum around - which is why i never hit back on that comment, as she has had to do everything on her own.
i guess i am the passive type - always wanting to keep people happy. but i guess i dont like conflict and just get on with it.

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EhlanaOfElenia · 05/03/2019 12:15

Well you're not exactly young, then are you?

Opposing likes don't make you a good fit. They might make you interesting, they might help you balance each other out, but they don't make you a good fit.

You like being close to your family. Stop apologising for it. You are allowed to you know. I assume she knew this about you when she got together with you.

You need to learn to stop being so passive. If being passive is the only way you can be with your DW, then you shouldn't be together. That's not a relationship. That makes you a someone with the word 'mug' printed on their forehead.

But, if you are this passive with your DW, are you also this passive with your family? Do you have the relationship with your family that YOU want, or have you got the relationship which THEY want?

Sounds like everybody's staking their claim on you, and by being passive you're just making things worse.

BERKSDAD1983 · 05/03/2019 12:23

Thanks for being candid!
i always used to see my family on the sunday. Since i got with my partner we dont do that, my partner would prefer people come to our house! why should we have to go there as we have a home to be proud of. she thinks my mum doesnt like our house, but my mum did sundays so everyone could relax and all kids could just run around. i would rarely stay long though, as it was also time for the men to watch football and thats what we did on sunday afternoons.
she did know this before we got together!

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Singlenotsingle · 05/03/2019 12:26

You're only 36??? And how long are you expecting to carry on like this? You could have another 40-50 years ahead of you. Maybe you could persuade her to get some sort of counselling? Relate? CBT? Otherwise you're resisting any suggestions or advice that people are giving you. You have to be a bit more assertive, OP.

BERKSDAD1983 · 05/03/2019 13:05

I know, i do need to recommend counselling of sorts. she has used talking therapies in the past. i guess i am concerned that the moment i recommened it and knowing her, she will blast for me putting her in the spotlight when this is meant to be about me keeping her in a box and not including her.

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Musti · 05/03/2019 13:08

So you're scared of her reaction and basically walking on eggshells (and who wouldn't be when anything is likely to set her off??). This isn't right op.

BERKSDAD1983 · 05/03/2019 13:23

i guess i am scared of her reaction because she takes everything the wrong way, takes one word from a conversation and focuses on that and makes that gospal - like when i said i was 6 month relationship out of convenience, and that was poor choice of words - it was like an episode of catfish but we'd met.

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Musti · 05/03/2019 13:32

That isn't right. I was in an abusive and controlling relationship and little by little I changed what I did and said. Perfectly innocent things were taken out of context and made to be something that wasn't.

ShabbyAbby · 05/03/2019 13:43

She's being very emotionally abusive
She's refusing to see that she might be at fault
Everything is on you
Which is Ok by her because you are expendable anyway?!
Not a nice woman
Walk away. No run

BERKSDAD1983 · 05/03/2019 13:49

i wont be running anywhere. i am a dad and proud to both our girls, the life we created and the one she created with her ex who i have known for 2.5 years and she is a great 8 year old. i take pride in helping be a dad to her. so i am absolutely not shying away from that.

perfectly innocent things are taken out of context and i see what you are saying that little by little things change - which is case here. but whilst that comes with being single man, to instant dad and now 2nd child i accept that change.

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ShabbyAbby · 05/03/2019 13:59

I'm not telling you to shy away or stop being a Dad
From what you've said you are in an abusive relationship so I would leave, quickly. It will not get better.
Unfortunately her older child is not yours so if you have not gained PR which I'm assuming you probably haven't, then that is going to be very painful for you and that child. So the sooner the better, actually. It will get harder to leave, not easier. And she will have worn you down

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