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No longer invited to dad and wife's home

37 replies

BonnieBea · 26/02/2019 22:25

Wondering if i've caused the problems and how to fix them? and, am I being irrational, too childish or too sensitive?

I'm turning 32 at the weekend and was upset to find out my older sister and her daughter have been invited to my dad's house whom he shares with his wife next week. I'm upset as I'd love to be able to spend quality time with my dad and be invited to stay with him and his wife but I am no longer invited as my dad's wife does not like me.

Around 3 years ago when I was last staying at my dad's home with my sister my mum happened to phone their house phone and my dad's wife who has issues with my mum said to me I would no longer be invited to their house. I have not seen my dad's wife since. There was no argument or anything insulting said on this phone call. My mum had phoned their landline as was wondering when me and my sister were coming back as she couldn't get through on our mobiles (signal problem). I didn't believe there was any problem until my dad's wife starting arguing with me (my sister and dad were getting coffees/at the loo) saying that I would no longer be invited to stay. I thought the couple of days had gone well and we had all enjoyed it so this came as a shock. My dad's wife has caused arguments a number of times and I can't retaliate or defend myself as just get upset and cry. My dad doesn't say anything and stays silent.

To give a little more info surrounding this my mum and dad no longer talk since they divorced when I was in my early twenties. My dad has not always been honest with the truth surrounding his relationship and life with his wife. They moved in his retirement to live closer to her 2 older grown up children 130 miles away. I see my dad 3/4 times a year but I always feel it is rushed as she no longer meets me and she is often waiting to meet my dad after he has seen me.

Me and my dad had a close relationship when I was younger and the fact his wife has issues with me and I no longer see him much or am invited to his home I find really heart-breaking. My dad also has a difficult relationship with my younger brother and they haven’t seen each other for approx 8 years. I have tried to explain my feelings and build a better relationship. I spoke to my dad’s wife on the phone to try and understand her issues with me and resolve them but she is very head strong and takes the impression I have not tried and I am not pleasant and friendly to her.

Things were difficult to begin with as my mum and brother were struggling and living in a cold, old rented cottage with little money and my dad had just bought a large house with his wife. When they lived closer to us I used to go for meals etc but although I would agree I've never been over the top friendly I certainly was never rude or uncivil and always thought I was polite. I want my dad to me happy but I am upset it has torn our family apart and my sister is now angry with me I have made it an issue she is going to stay with them. I would love to build a better relationship with my dad and even see his wife again. My dad seems to live a different life now and I can't seem to forget and move on with my life without thinking about him and what has happened.

OP posts:
HowlsMovingBungalow · 27/02/2019 15:35

Don't be so sure about that @HappySon.

My Father's partner died ( I had been shut out of their family for 30 yrs banned from house etc ) and my Father met someone else after a year and low and behold, I'm shut out again, fuck dealing with all that again, I'm done with him.

It isn't about the women they decide that are more important than their own children, it is the about men that allow this toxic situation.

JenniferJareau · 27/02/2019 15:36

Did your Mum deliberately stir the pot by calling? She doesn't speak to her ex husband and has issues with his now wife, so why call? Not knowing what time you were coming back is not an emergency.

I can understand why the wife felt disrespected.

HappySonHappyMum · 27/02/2019 16:11

@HowIsMovingBungalow To be honest I doubt that's going to happen as well. When I received a letter out of the blue from her 'letting me know' that he had written me out of his will, I realised that she was completely controlling the situation and it wasn't down to me anymore...

RiverTam · 27/02/2019 16:22

I can just imagine DH's face if I told him he had to call his mum's husband his stepdad!!

I think if these things happen when the children are adults they can just call them Jim or Pam, need for stepmum or stepdad.

OP - it sounds like you've been caught in some unresolved tension here. I second emailing or writing to your dad.

RiverTam · 27/02/2019 16:22

*no need

BonnieBea · 27/02/2019 22:22

Wow, just replying as just finished my shift and I’m so grateful for everyone who has contributed to this discussion. It means so much to hear all these points of view.

To address some points;

I have spoken openly with my dad (in person and via email) but it seems he feels powerless to help make things better i.e. to help my relationship with his wife. I feel it has developed and grown progressively worse the longer we no longer see each other. I never wanted it to develop into not seeing each other. It seemed one day she just didn’t come to meet me with my dad and now my dad and his wife see my sister separately when it used to be together. I felt I offered an olive branch some years ago as I was desperate to resolve the issues and I spoke to my dad’s wife on the phone to try and understand how she felt but I was saddened by how defensive she was to me. I was upset as usual and it caused me a lot more heartache.

It has made me question who I am as a person and how people view me. I am well aware I’m not perfect but I would describe myself as pretty sensitive, I play the mediator as much as possible and certainly try and avoid hostility and arguments as generally I am rubbish at arguing and just burst into tears.

In response to why my dad doesn’t say anything. My mum and his wife are very head strong woman. His character is the complete opposite. He is generally quite reserved, conservative and shy but can be charismatic. I have never seen my dad get angry or overly passionate about anything. I loved him as a child/teenager for these gentle qualities.

I totally accept that my dad is happily married and will be with his wife till the day they die. I wish for happiness for everyone in my family. When they come to visit they either stay in a hotel or with my aunt and uncle (who we never saw much of growing up and I don’t think I would recognise in the street). In terms of my sister. I would say she has a different relationship with them as she is not as sensitive as me and my brother. She was not as hurt and perhaps aware of everything that went on and how my brother and me had a lot of empathy for what my mum was going through. I really would not say we were unfriendly to my dad’s wife at all. I don’t know how things changed from meeting them for lunches to changing into what it has become.

Backstory. Yes, a lot of hostility between my mum, my dad and his wife. They have never met but there has been a lot of openly aggressive communication in terms of mail, texts etc. Me and my siblings have tried as best we could to stay out of it. My mum didn’t need to phone their landline. It wasn’t an emergency as we were adults and no signal on our phones wasn’t an excuse. I didn’t give my mum their number but I feel I was often blamed for causing any agro as information would be used as ammunition for my mum to send texts to my dad i.e where we had been/what we had done. I had to be selective with what I said to my mum as I knew it might be used to get in touch with my dad. My mum has moved on from this and is more upset that my brother and me are upset we don’t have a good relationship with our dad.

In reply. Yes, you’re right it was sad to find out he would be retiring to be close to her grown up children but it was not a surprise and I have never said anything to them. I went to visit them twice and enjoyed the break away. They said they bought a four bedroom house so we could come and stay.

@LemonTT - I appreciate your input. They are adults and I wouldn’t expect them to consult me for consent (re. house move), they never have and me and my dad have never had that sort of relationship.

I wouldn’t say WE argue. It has predominantly been one sided and I just get upset, can’t speak and have to leave. I don’t feel I have ever chosen to ‘battle’ with my dad’s wife. When these ‘arguments’ used to happen, largely in restaurants, my dad used to stay silent and my sister used to defend me as I thought she was doing it out of her own principles and opinion not just to support me. In context I think there were 2-3 occasions when this happened.

I was never sure why my dad’s wife chose me to argue with over my mum phoning. My sister had been there too and I didn’t see any difference; albeit past opinions of me?

@OKBobble – I never thought it derogatory to refer to her as my 'dad’s wife'. I didn’t think being a ‘wife’ of someone would be classed disparagingly and I call her by her first name predominantly but haven’t disclosed names in this discussion. I don’t see her as a ‘step-mum’ as I was an adult when she met my dad so she has never played a ‘mum’ role/position.

I wouldn’t say I was ‘complicit’ with my mum phoning their landline. When my dad’s wife was arguing with me I didn’t think it should be the cause of such an argument (When I talk of ‘argument’ this is one sided). I was hurt she chose to wait until my sister was at the bathroom and my dad was getting coffees to voice her displeasure which I had been unaware was obviously bubbling up. It did upset me that my mum phoned but I can’t control what my mum choses to do any more than anyone else.

Yes, I do think she feels I am hostile towards her and thinks my mum has ‘poisoned me’ against her. I feel this is a very Disney/Childish view as I am an adult and I am capable of holding my own views and opinions and feel this is unfounded. I am upset she has the opinion I am hostile towards her and I don’t feel I have ever ‘belittled’ her. I feel this is an attack on my personality as I have never thought I acted like this and have never come across anyone who has described me of being like this. I don’t know how to change someone who feels this way about me?

I appreciate it would be easier if we all just got along. I just feel like I have tried and hit obstacles. I don't really want to stop seeing my dad. I love him and enjoy the time we spend together. Growing up we had a close relationship (back then my mum was closer to my sister and brother) and it hurts its no longer there and my sister is going to spend time with them when I wish for that. I'm jelous I guess and long for something from the past

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gambaspilpil · 27/02/2019 22:30

You have not stopped seeing your dad. He and his wife have decided your not welcome in their house. I wouldn't be focussing on her. He is an adult and more than able to stand up for his own DC. However he has shown you what he is. He doesn't care enough and I would back away and let them get on with it.

Nc1548 · 27/02/2019 22:43

OP, I'm sorry you are upset and doubting yourself. IMO even if you absolutely hated your dad's wife's guts as long as you are civil there is no reason for you not to be allowed in your father's house, especially when you see them only 3/4 times a year.
It takes someone mean to come between a father and a daughter. Considering she has children of her own she should know better, she sounds very selfish.

Nc1548 · 27/02/2019 22:45

I agree with PP that I wouldn't be happy with your dad either. He's made a choice to go along with her demands, he's not a victim.

Jojoanna · 27/02/2019 22:52

Your dad should make the effort to see you . I found that all my stepmothers never wanted to see me and would persuade my dad to live near their children . At least my dad would come and see me alone

Lizzie48 · 27/02/2019 23:35

I agree that it's your dad who is to blame for this. He shouldn't let his wife interfere with his relationship with you.

It was out of order for your mum to call but it's odd that you were blamed for it and not your sister, who was also there. It sounds like your dad's wife has made you the scapegoat.

AgentJohnson · 28/02/2019 04:08

Oh dear, it sounds like you are in the middle and victim of, a family dysfunction that has nothing to do with you. Your father isn’t powerless, he chooses women when he can pretend to be powerless and therefore take no responsibility.

You and your sister staying at your Dad’s was the perfect excuse for your Mother to call his house. Her excuse sounds plausible and it’s the plausibility that is the perfect cover for such a power move. Inviting your sister and not you, is another textbook divide and conquer power move.

The truth is, the adults in your family are so wrapped up in their own toxic bs that they choose not to see the damage they have done to the children they supposedly care for.

I know it’s hard but the more you invest in people who don’t care about you the more your self respect you lose.

There isn’t a better version of you that would get better treatment and there isn’t a better version of them that would treat you better. This is who they are, accept it or drive yourself crazy trying to unravel their bs.

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