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What would you take 'i buttered her up' to mean?

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Alondonleerie · 19/02/2019 08:08

In the context of an explanation as to why there is a string of cosy messages between dh and a woman he worked with, but apparently didn't actually spend time alone with, while working away. They did spend time together in a group (although could have been in a corner together, who knows), and hung around together on an arranged sightseeing trip. And when she mentioned wanting to do some day drinking, he said he'd join her (no mention of anyone else by either of them). She had asked his advice on sightseeing trips, then given him a rundown of what she'd seen - along the lines of:
"I saw a tortoise :). "
"and a bird"
"and a goose"

Yes... In seperately texts. And pics of her cocktails in a bar, on two different occasions, one of which was accompanied by text along the lines of " better than your Starbucks!", so she knew where he'd gone, and was... What?... Saying it was better with her? I dunno.
Gossipy texts about new work mates, which continued after they got home again from deployment, after hours when he should have been interacting with his wife and kids.
No overtly flirty stuff, but much more than two ppl who didn't spend any amount of time together, I would have thought. Which is what I pointed out. And finally, today he says, " I buttered her up, telling her how great she was when she filled a gap in a roster" and other things, that are surely just part of the job description. He hadn't mentioned any aspect of their relationship like that, led me to believe they had little to do with each other, which is why the tone of the messages seemed at odds to what he was describing. He also said he responded positively to her first message, and they enjoyed it, so continued.
What would your interpretation of this be?

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TellItLikeItReallyIs · 19/02/2019 16:47

I do now feel threatened knowing that he had fantasized about having sex with her, then asked her out for a drink alone.

How do you know that he'd fantasized about having sex with her? On its own I wouldn't worry too much about it because men frequently "fantazise" in the wider sense of that word about having sex with random women.

Chances are that a man catching a glimpse of a woman with a body like Emily Ratajowski wearing not much summery clothing in the street will have a momentary mental fantasy flicker about having sex with her. It's not a thought crime, nor is fantasing about any other person when anyone (a man or a woman) is masterbating. It's normal and part of life.

On the other hand, telling your partner about it is not normal and part of life - so the question is why has he told you (if he has?). It could be a bad sign (mentionitis) but it could be a good sign (doubtful here - but an example is where a person recognises danger signs of a growing attractin and wants it out in the open with their partner as sometimes this will diffuse the situation - because it is honest and becomes less secret. There are ways of doing this though - and announcing another woman is a wank fantasy is probably not in the good sign group).

It's all context dependent - but in the abstract generally messaging of the sort you are talking about in your OP isn't something to worry about - it's just work friendship/banter that makes a work social relationship more pleasant. If there is more background context it may be different though.

rededucator · 19/02/2019 17:10

Confused about the 'fantasies about having sex and asking her out alone for a drink'? That's pretty important info to just drip feed OP!

MsDogLady · 19/02/2019 17:44

What sort of structure did you set up for affair recovery? He has bulldozed right over it.

A truly remorseful partner will:
Provide frequent contact when away. Instead, he contacted you infrequently.

Provide honesty and transparency. Instead, he has minimized, lied and drip-fed.

Learn about his character flaws that led him to cheat and build coping strategies to protect his fidelity. Instead, he chased this OW by messaging, flattering, fantasizing, and dating her. He has even rubbed your nose in it by carrying on right in front of you.

Why are you tolerating this serial cheat?

Alondonleerie · 21/02/2019 19:51

I don't understand, how do you know he fantasised about having sex with her? Did he tell you this?
Yes, he did. How else would I know?

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Alondonleerie · 21/02/2019 19:56

After being recently forgiven for an affair he should be doing everything to put your mind at rest, not starting a new 'friendship' with a female colleague.

This friendship came before I know about his cheating, but I would have still thought he'd be more careful to avoid potential inappropriate situations, even if only he knew how he'd behaved before.
And no, I have categorically not forgiven him for cheating. That is a ridiculous thing to say. I may have stayed to try and work on us and our family, but he has not been given the green light to carry on behaving like a disrespectful shit, just because I gave him the grace of staying to try and reconcile. No way.

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Alondonleerie · 21/02/2019 20:00

Why have you been tolerating the constant messaging? What consequences did you impose the last time?
He messaged while working away, I realised they were still messaging costly when they got back home. I did put a stop to it.
I imposed no sanctions during this time because I wasn't yet aware of the previous affair! Believe me, I read a lot and got a lot of advice, I think I have put in place as many things as possible since finding out. All this is stuff which I am only just finding out, which happened before I knew anything at all.

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Al2O3 · 21/02/2019 20:05

It's definitely Last Tango in Paris, as gateaux said.

Alondonleerie · 21/02/2019 20:20

On the other hand, telling your partner about it is not normal and part of life
No, and normally I wouldn't have even asked. It's inconsequential in a healthy relationship, but maybe not so much in a relationship where one cheated and covered it up for many years, pretending it hadn't happened and thus not curbing behavior which could lead somewhere inappropriate. It was in the context of being open and honest about everything, as recommended, following me finding out about and his therefore belated and forced admission of the affair.

I have to say, up to the point at which he let something slip, I never checked up on him in any way whatsoever, or questioned his activities, depending, anything. It never occurred to me. I wasn't a suspicious person and I trusted what he told me. Why wouldn't I?

I agree mrsdoglady. All he can say about that is he pretended it never happened and didn't intend doing it again. So didn't need that introspection. Apparently.

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