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Feeling hurt by my unsentimental boyfriend

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johnnyfrench · 15/02/2019 21:24

I am feeling like I need a bit of objective advice for anyone around to tell it like it is and give me a slap if needed.

I have a boyfriend I've been with for nine months now and while it would be unfair to say he's not loving, his lack of emotional and sentimentality can sometimes be hurtful. Without sounding pathetic, I got zip- not even a card- for valentines day and found myself crying in the kitchen as I was cooking us dinner and watching the woman across the road be given a bunch of roses by her boyfriend. Mostly because I'd made a huge effort for him (card, fave dinner cooked, fun gift and naughty lingerie) and that he couldn't even manage a card really hurt.

I'm very overtly romantic, and do a lot and plan a lot to show him how much he means to me, and he's always been a lot less emotional and proactive with the traditional romantic stuff, but it goes beyond that in the sense there are big gripes in our relationship that are manifesting due to his unemotional and unsentimental view of life.

Example: he hasn't told his family about me, despite the fact that he's met mine many times. He doesn't really plan anything for us to do together, that's maybe happened twice in nine months. He's never said he loves me and I said it and he just kissed me. Future talk really goes nowhere and the best I get is places he'd like to take me in summer. There's never been any indication that he sees me in there long term.

The problem is that the rest of him is so great. He's a wonderful person, so kind and clever and interesting and generous and it's obvious in a lot of other ways that he dotes on me. Example: he'd drop anything if I needed something, he cares for me if I am ill, he makes a huge effort with my friends and family, he's totally reliable and beyond that he generally tries on a daily basis to see how he can behave in ways to make me happy or make my life better or easier. He's constantly fixing things or making things or sending me things he saw that might help me out which make it clear he's thinking of me all the time and really wants to be loving to me.

So it's very difficult for me to say he's unloving, because he actually isn't and it's obvious he IS a very private person and he IS very uncomfortable with the mushy stuff. He doesn't do the obvious things, but he does sometimes say or do things that are so lovely they make me cry because I am so touched.

So I feel very confused because I want to be okay with how bad he is at some of these things, but they hurt and make me feel bad. He says I am low maintenance, so I don't think I am always moaning or anything, but at the same time I feel like he's always apologising and trying to fix what he's done inadvertently and I have to more or less spell out the obvious to get him to do it.

I think he might be on the spectrum, and that fits quite well with a lot of things in his general behavior which might explain a lot of this but I also worry that maybe he just doesn't like me enough to tell me he loves me or to take me to meet his Mum or to stop and get a Valentines card. And I feel sad and angry and upset and I am wondering if I am being a big baby about it because I have this great boyfriend who's much kinder and more loving than most peoples.

If I do tell him something hurts me or feels bad, he generally makes a big effort to change it but I wonder why this stuff feels so important. Can someone give me perspective. Or even an idea of what a good relationship should look like at 1 year? I

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PlasticPatty · 16/02/2019 17:03

Ref the commitment question, I am baffled.On the one hand, he's totally committed to me in the sense that we're exclusive and there was never any question on that, we spend every weekend together, go on trips together, have met his colleagues, he spends time at my family events and we're fairly devoted to each other in the ways a normal couple would be.On the other hand, he's not told his family I even exist, he has no plans to do so, he doesn't keep me apprised on some big issues in his life (for example health issues) and he's got no interest at all in having the "where is this going" talk.So he's committed today, but this all sends me signals he isn't in it for the long haul. I think if you asked him that question he'd say he didn't like to make plans for the future. Not sure where that leaves me
Please read this again, OP, dispassionately.
You will know exactly where it leaves you. You are 'Ms OK for now' who will be 'Ms We Were Never Right Together' as soon as Ms Right comes along. Women aren't 'put in this position'. You have allowed it and if you wish, you can put a stop to it.

TaimaandRanyasBestFriend · 16/02/2019 17:06

Good grief. He's married now too?

Um, johnny, you are the one who said you've been seeing him for 9 months but he just got divorced 6 weeks ago, so, erm, he was married when you started seeing him.

But you know what, you're more than welcome to this pathetic excuse for a relationship, I just find it sad you think it's the best you can do.

johnnyfrench · 16/02/2019 17:07

Thanks Lucy, I appreciate that. I suppose the big difference is that my kids live with me and his doesn't and my family are in the same village and his are miles away so it's not come up. I tell my siblings everything and he barely speaks to his so there's a different dynamic. That said, I am definitely not okay with it and intend to tell him that he has to announce we're together or I'm not continuing to see him. I don't mind if he's private but it bothers me on a practical level that if something happened his family wouldn't know me from Adam. I definitively don't think he's ashamed of me or anything, he's proudly paraded me with friends and colleagues without any issue. Thanks everyone, going out now for date night so not ignoring if anyone else posts. I am going to give him a talk and a few months to resolve all this because these things are genuine problems that are making me sad and I think unless they can be resolved we're just not compatible.

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OlennasWimple · 16/02/2019 17:09

Hang on - you've got kids too, who he has met?

johnnyfrench · 16/02/2019 17:09

@Taimaandranyasbestfriend I said his divorce was finalised six weeks before we met, so I think you read that incorrectly. He was already divorced when we met and had been separated for two years. Thanks for repeating the unfounded insults though after clearly not even reading properly before casting your expert eye on the situation. Have a grand weekend!

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TaimaandRanyasBestFriend · 16/02/2019 17:26

Being successful at relationships in my view isn't about some kind of diva level of demands, but about learning to work through things with people you care about.

It's very sad that you feel the modicum of respect towards you in a relationship is 'diva level of demands'. Being successful in relationships is about compatibility and recognising when you're not compatible and/or aren't on the same page about what you both want, not flogging a dead horse hoping to turn it into a unicorn.

TaimaandRanyasBestFriend · 16/02/2019 17:34

I'm having a lovely weekend, thanks much! So glad I dumped guys like this, more baggage than T5 and emotionally unavailable into the bargain.

DaphneduWarrior · 16/02/2019 23:42

Hi OP

I’ve skimmed the thread and I can’t see anything about his relationship with his parents. For what it’s worth - I wouldn’t tell my family I’d met someone. Possibly not as long as 9 months, but I’d definitely wait around six. I have a terrible relationship with my parents and I just wouldn’t want to introduce anyone to them until I was absolutely completely sure of them and of us. Partly because I’d worry my family would put them off; partly because if we split up and they knew about him, I’d get weeks of questions about what I’d done to ruin it... Just a thought. As others have said, I think you should judge your partner by his actions towards you. He demonstrates his feelings in many many ways.

pissedonatrain · 17/02/2019 00:21

Has he done anything special for you for Christmas or your birthday?

Skittlesandbeer · 17/02/2019 01:00

Another one saying look up the ‘5 Love Languages’. I think you might have more serious issues as well, but it would give you some insight on this black and view of ‘romance’ that is causing you pain.

Musti · 17/02/2019 10:39

I haven't told my family about the guy I'm seeing. He hasn't told them about me. Because we both have children and have been through break ups and don't live close by, there is no need for them to know. It's only been 5 months but I don't envisage telling them for a while yet. My parents live abroad so I'll know they'll worry I've met another idiot like my last 2 exes, my kids are still getting used to their parents having split and living in separate houses and I don't want to add anything else into the mix. My friends all know and some have met him and I haven't met his but he only really sees 1 friend, who knows about me and I've spoken on the phone to him.

I'm not worried nor in any rush because there is no need. And we're just enjoying each other without adding family complications to it.

johnnyfrench · 17/02/2019 11:41

Sad to report we split up last night. We chatted over things and I explained my various niggles and he admitted he's been holding back because he is not as emotionally available as he might have advertised himself to be. He said he thought he was, but he's realised he wasn't and has held back from going completely all in on the relationship and that's why all these things have been happening.

I let him know that obviously that wasn't something I could live with, and so it's over now. Thanks everyone for the advice and support yesterday. I think so often you forget to trust your own niggles but we always know when something isn't right.

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Yippeee · 17/02/2019 11:44

Sorry to hear that but I think it was the right thing.

johnnyfrench · 17/02/2019 11:57

I agree, much rather I had the facts

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Parthenope · 17/02/2019 11:57

God call, OP. I’m sorry if you’re hurting, but you’re really worth more than that relationship.

OlennasWimple · 17/02/2019 13:40

Sorry to hear this OP. Be kind to yourself Flowers

ukgift2016 · 17/02/2019 14:33

I been with my boyfriend for 9 months too so alarm bells were ringing when I read your thread.

What I will say is this...next time try and cut these guys off sooner. There are many men who are happy to date a woman, enjoy her company and the sex while knowing they will never commit to her.

There were red flags all over this guy. Next time, don't let it go on for so long.

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