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29m break up, did I make the right call pre marriage and kids?

20 replies

toughtimes2020 · 12/02/2019 17:44

Hi All

I am actually in the process of breaking up with her from my exSO who I was planning on marrying. Its been hard but my gut was screaming at me that the relationship was unhealthy. I wanted to list some of the red flags here and see if, give your understanding of the challenges of marriage and children, that I chose not to take the relationship further or work on it any longer.

I am hoping that asking people who are mostly in healthy relationships I will get a bit of validation that I made the right decision. We were thinking of getting married in the next two years and starting to have children at three.

I should add that outside of these negatives, she was a loving, caring and very kind girlfriend and we were very much in Love.

  • She hit me once, while drunk, as I came home late and she was locked out for 25mins on a dangerous road. She justified this by saying she was scared and locked out. Also it's not the same as if gender roles were reversed. She showed remorse but also seemed to forget this evening happened a year or so later. Making me even deny the events myself.
  • Very OCD about cleanliness in the home. It's a stressor for her. Refuses to get a regular cleaner to help with this and buy us more time to do fun stuff (We could have afforded it comfortably)
  • Cannot take criticism 90% of the time. Gets very worked up and defensive if you try and pass on a criticism, even in a calm manner.
  • Prefers all natural health care to an extent that she has not seen a doctor for 28 years, refuses a smear test and claims that she would always do her own research to decide if she would use a natural or 'mainstream' approach to health. She is not a medical professional in any capacity.
  • She has not been vaccinated and says she will research future vaccines for her children herself. She says this will be a mutual decision but I think future MIL will have a huge influence on this.
  • Future MIL is very controlling of her. She is a natural health provider and assists on her helping her around the house with chores (she lives very close) future MIL had a health condition that could be easily treated but again refuses any modern healthcare through the threat of death.
  • She refused any couples counseling, had tried CBT to help with mood swings but refused anyone on one therapy.
  • Often is the victim and rarely has the insight into how destructive her behaviors can be.
  • Has made thinly veiled suicide threats, One more serious that I prevented. Her trigger claimed to be tiredness and me saying 'stop joking about that..' and showing me she meant it.
  • Much of the above has been discussed with her but met with defensiveness and often turning it around to be a bi-product of my behavior. e.g. "i got angry as you were not listening"
  • Took a very strong dislike to one of my female friends (who made no effort with her and can be a bit rude) to the point where it was once stated "I can't be with you if you are friends with her"
  • Has a brother who shows lots of bipolar traits, suicide threats and long mood swings.
  • Sister has emigrated with her own family due to the volatility of this one and behavior that got out of hand once she started having her own children. She has gone total no contact.
  • Father has previously been physically abusive to his children but seems to be tamer now.

So, I chose to leave and not propose to this woman in the next 6 months, did I make the right call? Should I have tried to work on these issues? I feel it is a way to far gone and an unhealthy place to raise a family. I feel I have abandoned her and the relationship, she is devastated but I think these are not issues I can fix, especially if trying to get to address some of them is a very difficult task.

To be clear she has shown no real intention of extracting herself from toxic family members. Sometimes they are stable but this is what I have observed over the BU.

I did try and discuss these things during separation but was met with yo-yo-ing of empty promises to seek help and throwing the blame back at me, suggestions that I am meant to accept this situation as a healthy one to start a family in and lots of begging.

I decided to end it as much as it has hurt. Did I make the right call?

OP posts:
Cantfindmenow · 12/02/2019 17:47

I think you made the right call. The vaccinations would have been an instant deal breaker for me!

PotteringAlong · 12/02/2019 17:48

Yes, you did.

AgentProvocateur · 12/02/2019 17:48

Yes. You had a lucky escape.

category12 · 12/02/2019 17:54

Don't drag out the split - not sure why you say "in the process". I think it's kinder to make it clear it's over. After that, it's just sorting out the practical entanglements. I wouldn't engage in post-mortems of the relationship.

DameFanny · 12/02/2019 17:57

Yy, no one should be having babies with anti-vaccers, even without the other batshittery

PinkSmitterton · 12/02/2019 17:58

She hit me once ... she justified this

You were right to get out. I hope things get better for you.

(the fact she has a brother with a MH condition and an abusive father is not a
reflection on her, or a reason to leave her however)

It sounds like you have a lot to process, have you got a good support network in place? Friends, family etc.

A major break up is a big thing and it may take some time. You may even still love her and that's ok.

BumblebeeBum · 12/02/2019 18:05

You can break up with anyone for whatever reason you wish. You don’t need anyone else’s permission to do so.

I’m not sure I like this long list of her ‘crimes’. I’m sure she could create an equally long list of things she didn’t think like about you. Her brother/sister/father are seperate people to her. I don’t think she needs to ‘fix’ that’s she’s tidy, like natural remedies, doesn’t like a particular person. That’s just her. She’s not your project to improve.

Why are you putting this here in a public, predominately female space? What are you hoping to gain from it?

Lightofday · 12/02/2019 18:11

Yes you made the right call. Sounds like she could have had borderline personality disorder...or a mental health issue like the brother...

Either way, it wasn't working so certainly wise not to marry her.

WanderingDaffodil · 12/02/2019 18:15

You have made the right call. Hope things pick up for you soon.

ToEarlyForDecorations · 12/02/2019 18:17

If you married her, that means that you accept all of the behaviour you have listed as red flags.
She won't change.
Bullet dodged.

buttons101 · 12/02/2019 18:35

Sounds like you made the right choice in ending this relationship. It sounds toxic.

It may take time to come to terms with it all, but be kind to yourself. There were red flags everywhere 🚩

Mysticbottom · 12/02/2019 18:51

Difficult to asses. Yes it all sounds not great, however you only mention her and your perception of things she has done or believes in. You don't mention anything about your dynamic together or the things she feels you are at fault in. It takes two to create a relationship dynamic. I feel some of the things you must have known about when you got into a relationship with her - such as her alternate health beliefs. I guess what I'm saying is that your email is absent of any self reflection. You must have known that on Mumsnet the general consensus would be LTB? That said, violence is never OK. It definitely sounds like you both should not be together.

Bluetrews25 · 12/02/2019 18:56

I think you are doing the right thing.
Some items you mentioned are very relevant, others really not at all so.

Yougotdis · 12/02/2019 19:00

Any violence means walking away. Always. Don’t be in the process. End it for good and disengage

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/02/2019 19:05

She seems very much a product of her own dysfunctional family upbringing.

Bullet has been well and truly dodged by you. Do not be just in the process of breaking up though, end this relationship ASAP and then block any future attempts made by her to contact you.

DarklyDreamingDexter · 12/02/2019 19:09

Hell yes, you made absolutely the right call. So many red flags there, they could be used as bunting. Find someone you're more compatible with - shouldn't be too hard, you sound completely unsuited to this woman.

toughtimes2020 · 12/02/2019 19:29

I know in many situations that family MH issues shouldn't be a relationship issue. But this family live physically very close. They will be very involved in the raising of our family and I seriously worry my children being left alone with them. Which I don't think I would be able to control in anyway as she will want them involved.

OP posts:
toughtimes2020 · 12/02/2019 19:34

I certainly have faults and we had discussed this for sure. I have a long list of things I am going to work on in my next R.

But the thing is. I was willing, to do everything. On her end she just won't make any steps outside her comfort zone.

I knew about her natural approach but it became more radical as the relationship evolved. Her views were very moderate when we met and observing her and the family for years have shown me that this is a whole package that I have to bring up my family in.

OP posts:
DontDribbleOnTheCarpet · 12/02/2019 19:41

When I see threads like this, I worry that somewhere an abusive man is saying "Look, I told Mumsnet what you're like and they all agree that you're abusive and mental and I should leave you".

I've no proof that this is the case here, but there is something odd about a man coming here to ask a group of women (mostly) to pass judgement on another woman.

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 12/02/2019 19:53

You have doubts, your gut instinct is kicking in. Always listen to your gut. You are right. Skip the divorce, don’t marry her in the first place.

Whether you have faults that can be modified to her acceptance or not, you are fundamentally incompatible.

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