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Keep seeing him or walk away ?

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beingniceiscool11 · 10/02/2019 16:32

Sigh. Any advice. We're both pretty avoidant because we've both been through massive hurts and scared of relationships a bit. I have feelings for him and care about him. But I only want to get into a relationship and let my daughter get to know someone if it's going to be healthy, and if he's going to be ALL IN.
DD (4) does know him from when we first became friends and DD used to come to my work with me & he'd chat to her and make her laugh too..... And he always made an effort with her and treats her really well - he took us out for brunch recently and she really likes him/he was great with her. She thinks he's just a friend though. As we just joke around with him and never anything touchy feely or "Mummy's boyfriend" etc.

Background:

I've known this guy for over a year now - we started as friends as he lived right near where I worked and there was a shared communal space so we'd cross paths a lot.
He would find excuses to come and speak to me couple times a week - sometimes for 20-30 minutes and we got on really well. We were magnetically drawn to each other almost but he wasn't laying it on thick in a romantic or sexual way - just in the way that you can't help but gravitate towards someone to talk to them. It transpired that he had just come out of a 6 year relationship and so although I was attracted to him I told myself in my mind to steer clear of anything more than friendship.

After a few months the attraction between us was growing and he asked me out for dinner. I did accept but was cautious because of the recent breakup.
We did end up going on quite a few dates but not sleeping together as I didn't want to /wasn't ready to take it to that level. He was a gentleman and paid for dates, kissed me goodnight etc & we had pretty electric chemistry but wasn't laying it on thick and was respectful.

After these initial first 5 or 6 dates, I felt he wasn't in a good place to take it any further and so I said that I was going to just date other people and I would like to keep getting to know him but we should sort of steer clear romantically. He said he agreed that he didn't know what he wanted and he probably needed to be on his own, he said he didn't like the idea of me dating others but he couldn't commit right now because of circumstances and needing to get himself in a good place before starting anything. He said he didn't want to play the field or anything and he really liked me but knew he couldn't give a proper relationship. I knew it too/ didn't want to get into a rebound. I was glad we had had straight forward talk etc.

He did seem to try and get more attention from me though after knowing I was seeing other people and you could tell he was emotionally affected by this.
We ended up then spending some more time together initiated by both of us, like doing stuff in the day times/going to gym together/having coffee - just catching up and staying in touch.
A few of these times we ended up kissing and we obviously couldn't really keep it platonic. We did end up sleeping together but I decided I just wanted to get it out the way so that if it was just a sexual connection then at least it'd be obvious that's all it was between us & I didn't know how I felt at that stage either. I didn't expect or ask for anything more plus my life was pretty complicated with other stuff too.
The friend-dates and kissing continued but I usually left before it went any further because I wasn't going to get emotionally involved further at that time because he hadn't signalled that he was ready for relationship.

Long story short he then had some horrendous family crisis going on amongst all this (alcoholic Mum relapse causing chaos) and I was focussed on my life so I left him to it and didn't contact him. He tried to keep in contact a bit but was mainly wrapped up in this crisis. I was dating others but no one special.

After this crisis was over, we reconnected but I still felt he was not emotionally available/maybe keeping his options open/not making enough time for me and felt he was keeping me on the backburner.
But by this time we had really developed a strong bond emotionally - quite a healthy, grounded, honest and aware friendship where we clearly both fancied each other massively and cared for each other.

I told him what I want and I said you're not giving me enough time or prioritising this developing into a relationship so I don't want to see you anymore because it hurts too much. He was sad but agreed he needed to get clear on what he wanted and where his life was now going after crisis was over so that he didn't mess me around.

I did not contact him for 3 weeks and then he messaged me saying he'd like to see me but understood if I didn't want to ... I said yes I would like to see you and he came to see me & we ended up having a 3 hour talk where he said he missed me and said things were different for him now in his life and that he wanted to see me again, asked if we could see each other regularly. I agreed as wanted to observe his actions and see how I felt - things are pretty different this time and I can feel he's making an effort to consistently be there for me, check in on me, acting way more like a boyfriend, being very loving, and being way more present and open.
But still taking things really slow - seeing each other once a week and recently 2 x a week but then after that he's pulled away and gone pretty silent again.
For 2 months it's been pretty great but then recently the family crisis has resurfaced and he's been distant and not set up the next date with me. And it's Valentine's Day soon so....eeek. Don't know how I feel if he ignores that......
Today after not having spoken to me for 3 days, he randomly joined instagram and followed me on instagram (he's famously never before given in to getting an instagram account and I actually really liked this about him that he didn't have it !! Sad)

Anyway now I'm just feeling anxious and like I am a bit exhausted by the pulling away after all the lovely last 2 months where I've been enjoying feeling like we're actually going towards letting each other in and falling for each other properly.

What should I do ? Such a big part of me just wants to run away and protect myself. But also a huge part of me is in love with him and thinks he'd be a great partner.

OP posts:
Asdfghjklll · 10/02/2019 17:54

Your post is all about you. So he was having family issues so you saw other people?! Definitely walk away and let the poor guy find someone else who might actually support him.

Aprilshowersarecomingsoon · 10/02/2019 17:59

Also can't grasp why he got pushed to the back burner but managing to see other people..?
Honestly op were you checking there was no one better first?

TheFirstRuleOfFightClub · 10/02/2019 18:06

If this relationship makes you want to run away and hide now, just walk away before it's too late.

Completelyfine · 10/02/2019 18:14

It all sounds very confusing.

SilverySurfer · 10/02/2019 18:49

Long story short he then had some horrendous family crisis going on amongst all this (alcoholic Mum relapse causing chaos) and I was focussed on my life so I left him to it and didn't contact him. He tried to keep in contact a bit but was mainly wrapped up in this crisis. I was dating others but no one special.

So he went through a family crisis and your instinct was not to stay and support him but to leave him to it while you dated other men and after the crisis was over, went back with him?

I would let him go free to find someone who cares for him in good times and bad - that's obviously not you.

beingniceiscool11 · 10/02/2019 18:55

I initially said I was going to see other people because he said he didn’t know what he wanted & he said he didn’t want to get into a relationship ... so I said ok that’s totally fine I understand but I’m going to ... stay single then and date ... not wait until you’re ready.
Then after we were doing friend-date type things and kissing... but still no indicator of whether he wanted relationship. He pulled away because of family crisis ... I saw him a few times as a friend during this time and spent hours talking through it with him and emotionally supporting him. It went on for the entire summer like 3 months so I just gave him space but he also didn’t make plans to see me romantically so I didn’t push it.
Ultimately he was treating me like he had put me in the back burner so that’s why I walked away just before Xmas. He said he understood and he still didn’t know what he wanted and he needed to figure it out.
Then I tried to move on as family crisis or breakup or not we had known each other for a year at this point and it had been a year of on and off and not knowing what we were. after 3 weeks no contact he then and back way stronger and more clear but still seems to be quiet and distant again after 2 months of getting super close and having a lovely time together. It’s just getting exhausting it being so... uncertain.

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category12 · 10/02/2019 19:03

Honestly it shouldn't be this difficult where neither of you seem to know where you stand. Seems like a waste of energy.

beingniceiscool11 · 10/02/2019 19:04

To be clear there was a long time where it was about April - Dec where he was texting me a lot and doing a lot of steamy kissing sessions at the end of “friend- dates “ but he would only make plans to see me properly maybe once a month & if I was to text him asking how he was or to initiate a meet-up he wouldn’t reply for a few days and then just be like sorry I was just at the cinema with my friend or sorry I was at a gig. So yes family crisis making him emotionally unavailable for serious romance... but also he was being super hot and cold and sending mixed signals / felt like he would see me when he wanted attention or sex but then go quiet for ages.

But he has since stepped up after I eventually walked away. Worried it’s going back to same hot and cold pattern.

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beingniceiscool11 · 10/02/2019 19:36

@silverysurfer / maybe I didn’t make it clear - he pulled away & when I asked him what was up and why he had disappeared he opened up about the family crisis and he said his heart wasn’t fully in it and probably wasn’t ready to date. I continued to be emotionally supportive as a friend and we would see each other occasionally but we would always end up kissing and couldn’t keep it platonic. I didn’t want to get hurt by just being the girl waiting until he was “ready” because I had feelings for him, this family crisis has been going on and off for 20 years and he surely has to find a way to have other people in his life and let someone in. Rather than just completely going AWOL (but managing to go to cinema with friend and gigs) he’s 40 as well but still very wrapped up in his Mum & Dad’s divorce and the family drama because of the alcoholism element. I have spent months and hours being understanding and supportive but he wasn’t giving me very much of his time or energy back which hurt. So I walked away. Then he did come back and say he missed me and we tried again actually seeing each other regularly and him making sure to make time for us regularly but not verbal “I want you to be my girlfriend / let’s be together “ or anything. Now he’s gone quite cold again so I can’t be there for him even if I wanted to, he’s not spoken to me all weekend. When I asked why he said he’s been flat out... 😑

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category12 · 10/02/2019 19:40

Just cut it off - nothing's going to change. Give yourself a chance to meet someone else without him in the background.

PlinkPlink · 10/02/2019 19:52

You're not a priority for him.

If he always allows life events to get in the way or if you do, then you're not good for each other.

He needs to state clearly, I'm not ready and won't be for a while.

You need to think clearly too. If he's not ready, don't get your hopes up (easier said than done).

Clarity and honesty. Be honest with yourselves. If it hasn't happened after a year then I don't think it will happen. If you're meant to be together then you need to support each other through the shit times.

Pomello · 10/02/2019 19:59

Yeh, I interpreted as him using a family crisis as a distancing technique.

I'd step away. I have dated a man like this myself and it was a valuable lesson really so I don't regret it. I feel like we resonated with each other a lot and it was all wonderful except when it wasn't. You sound aware (saying you're both a bit avoidant) so try having a VERY honest conversation with him. Don't dress it up or down or try to say you want what you think he wants. Say what you want. Offer him that without heightened emotion but with genuine sincerity and see if he responds with equal honesty. It sounds like he might not be as aware though.

Not sure avoidant men change as they don't have to. There is always a new woman to feel a new buzz with. They're GOOD at connecting. They give you a taster of what it would be like to be in a relationship with them but they deliberately, consciously hover just outside of actually being in a committed relationship.

Pomello · 10/02/2019 20:01

Also, google and read articles about door stopping, grey zoning, place holding. Struck a chord with me. That was the type of relationship I used always to end up in. Argh. Breaking the pattern with current bf.

beingniceiscool11 · 10/02/2019 21:12

Thanks for the responses... yes we've been in a grey area for a while in the past but he always was very clear that it was only temporary life circumstances that created that. Now he has been making effort but suddenly he is silent this weekend.
I don't want to go back to a grey zone again but neither do I want to flip the table and show my frustration. Part of me just thinks right it's been 2 months of seeing each other regularly, we've been having such a nice coupley time together and he's been great when we've been together and he's initiated a lot , he took me and my daughter out for brunch last week.... See whether he avoids Valentine's Day or makes a plan to see me .... if he does nothing or avoids the day/doesn't make plans for the weekend after it (next weekend), then I'll know I need to kick him to the curb because that really will be very clear.

Even my guy friend who is just casually dating a girl is planning to take her out for dinner and get her flowers because he says that's just the right thing to do and will make her feel good - and he doesn't even have feelings for her yet or very much history !

Just makes me so sad that he's planning that for a casual girl, and my guy won't even text me back this evening when we have been so close last 2 months and have a year of history and clear feelings for each other.

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QueenJulian · 10/02/2019 21:22

When it’s right, it’s easy. You sound like you don’t know whether you’re coming or going with this guy. And as for ignoring you for days...wtf! Please get rid of him and find someone who treats you properly.

Dirtybadger · 10/02/2019 21:29

Doesn't sound like either of you truly want it. I would say stop it. Maybe you could revisit in a year when you have both had more time. Although by then you may have simply realised it wasn't to be.

Moving slow is one thing. But this is more blowing hot and cold than moving slowly.

category12 · 10/02/2019 21:37

Stop being so passive about it.

SandyY2K · 10/02/2019 22:54

It all sounds too much like hard work. You don't seem overly mad on him and vice versa. It may be that neither of you are ready for a more serious relationship right now.

Dontsayyouloveme · 11/02/2019 08:41

Been here and got the t-shirt! It’s a total waste of energy and headspace. If it’s this difficult, it’s not right.

Leave him and focus on yourself and meeting someone who can give you what you want!

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