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DH won't discuss things with me if I am upset about something

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Wildestflower · 10/02/2019 06:34

I've been unwell recently and am recovering from surgery, generally doing really well and will make a full recovery. DH took a week off work, did most of the stuff to do with looking after our DC. I am three weeks post op, up and about again, but feel very drained and tired. Have been told this is to be expected.

I am upset about some things that have happened and my DH's refusal to discuss them. Maybe I have weird expectations, but I don't like how I have been spoken to.

Immediately post op, as soon as I came home, I still had to be the household memory for everything to do with DC school, home clothes day, sports kit, ballet day, music practice. It sounds very minor, but it felt as if I could not just sleep and switch off, I had to give lots of reminders. I was irritated by this, because my DH is equally intelligent and capable, but just won't check book bags for notes or look at any of the DC's planners. The routine that emerged was that after school the DC came onto the bed, I supervised homework and music practice from bed and DH cooked, did bath and bed. There were some days when it was difficult having them on the bed because of pain/discomfort and fatigue and I found supervising homework and hearing reading, doing crafts etc in bed really tiring especially during the first few days.

DH then boasted to friends about how he had to be 'mum and dad' and was tired. He really did not do much, apart from cooking and school runs and was off work. When I pointed out that apart from the school run, I was doing most things I usually do, that were not physical jobs, he refused to acknowledge I had said this.

I usually look after the DC and I work, out of the home and in the home. My work is flexible and I am the main earner. DH works part time a long way from home and has a long commute, so is often exhausted. He does very little household work, but I employ a cleaner. I do some housework every day and most of the laundry. If he does laundry, he might put a wash on, but forgets to put it in the drier and only puts clothes away, if I make it a family activity. Most of the time I get on with it and feel irritated. I have wondered if he has ADHD as he is so distractible and forgetful, and it pissed his ex-wife off no end as well. However, it doesn't seem to cause difficulty at work.

When I have tried in the past to complain how unequal things are, he says that is my perspective and he does not agree with me. He says he feels he does 'enough' and my standards are 'too high'. He usually shouts that I need to 'calm down' because I get really exasperated trying to explain and list all the things I do, that he simple does not see. It is really wearing.

When I was unwell, the children were rummaging through washed and unwashed laundry, looking for items of kit, for sports, drama, lost music books etc. I found it very stressful. He spent the days out walking while the DC were in school.

Three weeks later, my mum then had a very serious health issue that was sudden. I went to see her and spent a night at my parents home, and on the way back went for my planned own check up and came back to find food on the floor, beds unmade, drawers pulled off their hinges, unfleshed toilets, piles of washing and paper drawing, cut up paper on the floor, mess and inside out clothes everywhere, the DC in after school care and DH in town (not working). I was shocked to see our home in such a state after being away for just over 24 hours.

It took me a few hours to put the house back into order. There was honey on the floor, porridge congealed onto kitchen surfaces, raw chicken in the fridge in an open packed, leaking onto a pack of open berries. I have told him so many times that someone will get salmonella, yet he ignores me. I told him the fridge is a basic hygiene issue and he said, 'I am ignoring you.' When I told him the house was unacceptable and that I am fed up with the endless inequality, he said, 'you are being vile. You don't realise it. It wasn't that bad. I am not engaging in your rants.' He then either walked away, refused to listen or won't speak to me unless it is a neutral topic.

The rest of the time, he is a good dad to the DC, but I feel really let down and bullied. As long as I shut up and don't complain, all is well. If I ask for 'help' (i.e. for him to do some of the chores, with me) he 'helps'. But I feel forced into being a nag, constantly reminding. He asks me to give him a list of things that the DC need to take to school and he texts me 'all done' and then half of what they need is missing. They had a charity event and he forgot to give them pound coins I had left on the table, so they didn't get a wristband (fair enough) but they complain to me and I feel dreadful.

I've been quite down about being ill. I had very bad postnatal depression several years ago and if I am annoyed with my DH, he uses that and says 'you don't even realise what you are saying.' But I realise it very well. I am angry and upset. I don't know how to speak to someone who refuses to acknowledge that I am upset and makes me out to be unreasonable.

OP posts:
explodingkitten · 10/02/2019 06:38

It doesn't sound like he treats you as an equal. I wouldn't want to have a relationship like that.

Sally2791 · 10/02/2019 06:46

Sounds incredibly frustrating, not being listened to is infuriating. Is he doing it to wind you up? Counselling perhaps?would he be up for that?mine didn’t listen,different issues,but he is an ex now.What you describe goes beyond just having different standards and expectations, dripping chicken is dangerous!

8FencingWire · 10/02/2019 07:04

OP, I used to have a husband like yours.
When you need help, that’s when you realised just how useless he actually is.

Practically, this is what I did.
I separated the finances and asked him to contribute with half of all the household expenses. Apparently that was unfair, he was part time, because he was ‘looking after’ DD. (He wasn’t, I was doing everything, all he did was walk her to and from school, 100 yards down the road. No snack, no homework, no changing uniform, no getting kit ready, nothing, literally just walk her to and from school.)

I did all the shopping and cleaning and stopped buying him his beers, snacks, favourite food, refused to pay for his hobby, cigarettes, clothes. I didn’t wash his clothes either, I did mine and DD’s.
I did not offer any support when he was going through ‘upsets’.

He eventually left after a while, because I was unreasonable. He asked to separate after a year, took another 7 months before he actually moved out, and that’s only because I was moving out. By then I saved £14,000, because I stopped funding him.

It’s easier without him. But you’re not the crazy one, you’re not controlling. He’s just massively taking advantage of you.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/02/2019 08:01

Wildestflower

What do you get out of this relationship now?. What do you think your children are learning about relationships here?.

Re your comment:-
"I have wondered if he has ADHD as he is so distractible and forgetful, and it pissed his ex-wife off no end as well. However, it doesn't seem to cause difficulty at work".

He did the same to his ex wife and he does not in all likelihood act so incompetently at work either. If he did he would be out on his ear. No he does not have ADHD (it also shows your poor understanding of what ADHD actually is); what he has instead is learned incompetence. This is a technique steeped in misogyny that some men use against their targets. He sees what you describe in terms of looking after the kids, housework etc totally beneath him so therefore he either not does it at all or does it so badly that you never ask him again. If you labour the point that you can’t cook, then chances are that you won’t be made to cook. If you make a hash out of doing the laundry or hoovering, you’re forcing someone else to take over.offloading your laziness onto someone who traditionally has been made responsible for male incompetence.

This type of crap extends to your kids as well; they have also missed out because he really cannot be bothered with doing stuff that benefits them either. And you call him a good dad; why?. Women in poor relationships often write the good dad comment too when they can themselves think of nothing positive to write about their man. Your H is deliberately being incompetent here; no wonder he has an ex wife here.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/02/2019 08:05

You know very well what you are saying. The man you are married to is a misogynist who is doing all this incompetence at home so he no longer gets asked to do anything. You would find your life going forward easier without him.

I would now seriously consider whether you want to remain married to him at all because such men really do not change. I would also think he will be completely resistant to any suggestion of counselling, not that he would ever deign to attend such sessions in any case.

7yo7yo · 10/02/2019 08:12

Why would you want to stay with someone so fucking useless?
It’s ok him working part time a long way from home if he does (more than) his fair share when he is home. But he doesn’t.
So piss him of. Get rid.
There is no purpose of him in your life.

SandyY2K · 10/02/2019 10:05

Why does he only work part time?

He would annoy me too tbh. I can see why his Ex is an ex.

Wildestflower · 10/02/2019 10:27

Thanks everyone. He works part-time as we agreed to both work part time and look after the Dc between us, but I feel I am going most of the work. He's adamant that this is just my skewed perspective, gives me lines like, 'well I see what you are saying but I don't agree with you.' This is very frustrating.

When pressed about the house, mess etc, he berates me for having high standards and wanting to control every micro detail. He accuses me of being controlling and says he doesn't want the relationship to end, because 'somewhere deep down there is a decent person.' He is currently huffing about 'feeling hurt' because I had the temerity to complain about the mess I came back to. He says I exaggerate and claims to do at least half of everything. I absolutely know this is not true.

He says that there are many things that 'can just be left' and that I 'try to nail down every needless details and over control.' I really feel as if I am the one being controlled. I think I have had enough. He is such a horrible man to argue with, and incredibly stubborn. I am scared of how awful it would be to separate, because I have been so close to it before, and felt pressured out of it. I don't want to feel everything is such an effort and I want someone who will work things out with me and not be so rude to me. I feel very low about it all. Am about to take DC to a party, so will be away from MN, but am very grateful for the support. Thank you.

OP posts:
AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/02/2019 10:48

I would say to you re separation from him feel the fear and do it anyway.

How were you pressured out of separating last time?. Did he just wear you down too?. He will in all likelihood make that as long and protracted a process as possible but that does not mean that you should not separate from him. This model of a relationship should not become your kids normal either.

You do not seem to be getting anything at all positive from this relationship and you only need to give your own self permission to leave.

GertrudeCB · 10/02/2019 10:51

As in, can just be left for you to deal with?
This excuse for a man is dragging you down. I'm glad you are seriously questioning this relationship.

cauliflowersqueeze · 10/02/2019 10:59

The problem is that you think if you can just explain yourself better, or show him more clearly, or get him to listen more attentively, that he will realise and then change.

The reality is that he knows damn well that he’s a lazy arsehole and while you’re around he will continue to take advantage.

He won’t change.

So what are you going to do?

RestingBitchFaced · 10/02/2019 11:12

I would stop doing anything for him for a start, like his washing etc, and clearing up after him. You need to decide whether you want to work it out, or walk away. I think some sort of counselling would help him to see things from your side. It must be like having another child

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/02/2019 11:25

He knows very well how he treats the OP; he does not see her as an equal or care for her at all. I daresay he treated his ex wife in not a too dissimilar manner either.

I also think he would never willingly attend any counselling sessions.

Chamomileteaplease · 10/02/2019 13:09

That example you gave us seems to sum up your relationship - he left the house in an unbelievably horrible mess. And you cleared it up.

I cannot see how your future could seem better with him in it rather than with him not in it.

LannieDuck · 10/02/2019 17:12

If he really feels he does half of the chores, could you swap chores with him?

I wonder if there might be a mismatched expectation in standards between the two of you? The raw chicken is unacceptable, but I have piles of washing lying around my house waiting to be put away. When you have kids, something has to give, and for me the housework is the least important thing (as long as it's clean and safe).

Aquamarine1029 · 10/02/2019 17:17

Weren't you aware of his uselessness before you married him? Did expect him to change, because he clearly will not. You don't need him. At all.

Graphista · 10/02/2019 19:05

"The rest of the time, he is a good dad to the DC" this claim is often made by posters DESPERATE to cling to the idea the lazy arse they're with has any redeeming features!

He's not!

Good dads DON'T refuse to take on the full load when their wife is RECOVERING from what sounds like MAJOR surgery - which btw speaking as an ex nurse will very likely have seriously slowed your recovery.

What you're describing as "the family memory" is the mental load - which can be exhausting! Just as tiring as physical work.

He's also gaslighting you & shutting you down.

Genuine question - if he went do you have anyone who could help until you're recovered? Even if that meant possibly social care workers (I'm not sure if this is still available due to cuts, it used to be)

OR

could you stay elsewhere while you recover (I can understand you might be reluctant to do so after the disaster of your home after just 24 hours away though).

I'd have have gone absolutely ballistic at him if I'd come home to that - there's absolutely NO excuse other than his being unconscious dead like fuck would I have cleaned it all! I'd have cleared a path for me to get to bed, and told him to get it bloody sorted!

And the LAST thing you need post op is bloody food poisoning!

I'm quite a bolshy git, but I'd be giving him an almighty bollocking and telling him to shape up or ship out. To check the bags and planners and use his bloody common sense THAT HE IS PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF DOING AT WORK!

That having a penis doesn't mean he's only half a brain and having a vagina doesn't bestow magical organisational abilities!

Losing the temper is not always the right idea but on this occasion I think it might be what's needed.

"Is he doing it to wind you up? Counselling perhaps?" I would class this guy as a skilled emotional abuser and as such counselling is the LAST thing that's recommended. He'll just use what he learns from it to manipulate and abuse op more.

8fencingwire - think I remember you? Won't out you but just wanted to say I'm SO glad you're now rid.

I'd be interested to know at what point you learned he'd been just as bad to his ex? I do wish potential 2nd wives/partners would listen to the 1st wives and not write them off as "crazy bitter exes"

My ex had an affair with a supposed friend of mine, she heard all my complaints about his useless arse (not quite as bad as some on here but he could have been much better) but still got pregnant by him and married him...I then hear on the grapevine initially then directly from her that the shit he pulled with me he's ramped up with her! I must admit I did say something like "well what did you expect? It's not like you'd no idea what he was like I told you!"

"because such men really do not change" yep - if anything they get worse as they age! Seen it SO many times!

Attila - as an aside I have been following your posts for years, if you haven't already I really think you should consider writing a book on interpersonal relationships and assertiveness. You write so well on all kinds of dysfunctional relationships with great insight.

"I would say to you re separation from him feel the fear and do it anyway" yep! When I split from my ex I was basically homeless and penniless! You still couldn't have PAID me to stay with the cheating, lazy arse! But it wasn't an instant decision, I'd been suspicious for months and gathering evidence. Had my moments of being unsure like anyone - this was a man I had loved for almost 13 years and married to for 10, who'd never previously given me reason to doubt him (indeed it was so out of character his own family & close friends were shocked) and was the father of my child.

Still the right decision for dd & i.

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