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Is this "normal"? Is it just me? What do i do?

21 replies

cocobutta · 07/02/2019 11:22

Because i dont know where to start i need to dive right in.
Husband and I have been in relationship for 10 years. I was 19 and he was 26 (something i would be concerned about nowadays) We have 2 kids, 5+3.
My whole (mostly traditional) family love him. He comes across very intelligent, worldly, cooks and provides for his little family. Great.
Behind the scenes, he CAN be controlling and aggressive, won't take no for an answer, is a bully, shouts at me within inches of my face, when i confront him he always tells me how i feel or what i am saying is biased, not how it is, im the one making him behave this way. You get the jist.
This is him when he is not high, he's a stoner, through the whole day, through the parenting, through his working days, 24/7. When he is high he is MUCH better to talk to and handle, as his ego isnt as forceful. He is playful and relaxed with me and kids. I prefer him this way i do. Thing is i didn't realize he was smoking so much before we got married. i didn't see his true personality until i was pregnant and asked him to cut the smoking and realized how different he was being !! Great, right!

Anyway, thats not the biggest issue right now for me.
After kid no.2 i started getting quite depressed. i felt stuck and alone, the usual PND. He was away working, travelling around the country for his job, progressing. And i felt stuck with no childcare and 2 demanding babes. I began resenting him. i was honest and open with him, tried explaining, he seemed to get it and "hear what youre saying" BUT things didnt really get better. i mean within a few weeks he forgets about it and consistency isnt his thing and i hate nagging so didnt bring it up again till a couple months later and this is the cycle that lasted about 2-3years. I couldnt find a job relating to my degree, we needed more money so i take pt local cafe job when he got back from day job, i volunteered, occasionally met up with friends, made sure i got an afternoon to myself once a week/or two! I was proactive enough to exhaust myself, make life outside parenthood and not "imagine things" were bad or projecting sadness onto husband.

So last year, things with him still weren't better. i felt i made effort to have a life outside of him, because that was the issue. not the fact that he kept undermining me, telling me i was just projecting my sadness onto him, blaming him.
we fought A LOT, several times a week. then i think he just couldnt handle our relationship as it was he started getting physically aggressive, grabbing/pulling/pushing/throwing/dragging me across the floor/shouting in my face/forcing me to talk when i couldnt get myself off the floor/mimicking me when i am bundled together crying/holding me down telling me that im a horrible bitch/telling me im throwing a tantrum like the kids, that im having another meltdown to not accept responsibility, that i was pushing his buttons acting this way making him behave this way ETC ETC. To me, i know its unaccapetable. he doesn't think its physical abuse because he hasnt "punched or kicked" me.
it breaks my heart realising the man i loved and married is doing this, and occasionally infront of kids. But because 90% of the time i would stand up for myself, fighting back, pushing him back if he came too close, slapping him if he tried grabbing me, hiding behind a locked door blasting music in headphones so i couldn't hear him shout and overwhelm me, or throwing something at him if he wont let me shut the door (uses his foot or strength to stop me) ive called him names, ive told him how its disgusting, how horrible it makes me feel, how he expects me to love him when he acts this way. Because i did fight back, it made me think its the both of us damaging this even more.
But then I can't sit there crying letting him hurl stuff at me. Later, him realising it was wrong and telling me he was sorry to just do it again 2 days later!
So now, it happened again. He grabbed me infront of the kids, through me into bedroom and told me to sort things out with him. that i needed to come to a conclusion and not let this linger. This is his usual line. I told him he needed to learn to be calmer and more patient with the kids because he wouldn't want them to feel like i do (i said this earlier in the day, non threatening way, reminding him im not perfect and need to learn to) After the drama i told the kids it wasnt acceptable and im going to help fix things and let dad work on his behaviour, and they will never be hurt etc.
Honeslty i feel disgusted every time i think of how hes treated me i feel broken up inside. I dont know if im supposed to keep working on this, or leave with nothing and hope and pray not all men in my future will be like this. we havent had sex in about 6months too.
The thing is, when he isn't angry or aggressive, intimidating me or trying to control the moment, he's nice. He can be very kind, practically helpful with kids, we used to have stimulating conversations and passionate connections, physical and mental, all the time. He lacked on emotional support, but we were "working on it".

Since he first grabbed me, ive seen him differently and Im not crazy about him anymore !! I tell him we need to do better and he needs to sort it asap and for a few days or week its pleasant again til something else trips and theres Mr FkinPig.
I've worked on the relationship for us, for me, for the kids, tried to ask for less, accept certain things, but then there is his misogynistic behaviours towards me when hes angry and hes a totaly different horrible person. And that is who ive seen and felt the most past few years. His job is great, his family relations have been the same as long as ive known them, he has 2 mates he sees and talks to weekly. Finances have been mostly fine. There isn't anything in particular that i could use as a reason to justify how he's been. Not that its justifiable.
Im totally lost as to what im supposed to do. I feel this is wrong on so many levels. I dont feel loved, as he probably doesn't right now. I feel like theres no point trying for the kids either, i mean. if they happen to witness then game over its not on.
Its our history together. Our kids. How i have nothing. How hes told him i will have nothing and no finances because neither of us have savings. And how loved he used to make me feel. How being in his arms would melt away the world. How we could stimulate each other not needing anything or anyone else.
I'm so confused!!!
I've told my mother, who says i should try again. How i should hold my tongue. How all men are like that. And my 2 best friends say the same. to give it another chance, another year. Where i focus on myself, save my own money and take care of kids and then leave. 1 of my sister in law i have also confided in tells me to take it slow and keep communicating (the rest of his family are awful, selfish people) Also, most relationships are like this apparently??! Just nobody talks about it. I find this deeply depressing.
I feel like i need outside perspective.

Thank you if you managed to get through my rambling. I appreciate any feedback.

OP posts:
Quartz2208 · 07/02/2019 11:42

This is not normal and relationships are not like this (are you in the UK because it is certainly not)

You want to leave I think you dont need permission if that is what you wan

editingfairy · 07/02/2019 11:45

Your mother gave you terrible advice.

You're in a highly toxic relationship, one that will damage you and your children.

I'd leave. Your husband is an abusive bully.

And no, not all relationships are like this.

NotANotMan · 07/02/2019 11:49

You need to stop 'trying' right now and get you and your kids away from him. This is awful.

Karigan195 · 07/02/2019 11:55

This is not normal. Most men are not like that. Grabbing you shouting in your face etc is entirely unacceptable. It’s really disturbing you only like him when he’s stoned.

You need to get out of there. Contact one of the dv helplines and talk to a professional and look st your options before you end up hurt or worse. This is domestic violence, yourmother gave terrible terrible advice and you need out

winsinbin · 07/02/2019 12:10

It’s normal at all, not the aggression, no the constantly stoned, not the violence. And the advice from your friends and parents is absolutely appalling. If one of my DC were experiencing anything even close to this I would tell them that I couldn’t tell them what to do but my door would always be open to them.

In fact my adult DD recently returned home after her relationship went sour. Her previously doting partner had become increasingly angry and controlling about small things. It set all sort of alarm bells off with me because I had no doubt that the control and verbal anger would escalate over time. I bit my tongue and just expressed mild concern when DD confided in me as I worried that telling her to LTB would stop her telling me things. Luckily, after 3/4 months she decided for herself that she deserved better and came home. That was about 2 months ago and she is a different woman already, happier, more confident., making new plans for her life. That could be you too OP.

earlybyrd · 07/02/2019 12:41

Please dont listen to your mother, it must be a blow for you to hear that from her, this is not normal, what would you be telling your daughter if she came to you?
If you can't leave for you, do it for your children - it's is a terrible example of a relationship and will damage them for life
Can you contact women's aid? You are most definitely being abused

cocobutta · 07/02/2019 13:16

Thank you for replying. I need the honesty from wherever it comes !

Honestly my intuition knew this wasn't right. As i was typing my main message i could feel my whole body shake and get nervous at the thought of actually having to deal with the reality of it.

I feel like such an idiot!! Honestly, i know he;s been and still being disgusting. Why is this so painful? I'm usually impulsive and big on taking risk but this relationship has me messed up. I've been so isolated and now moving to be near family is scary because they always rave about how great he is and how difficult i am !

I feel so scared at the thought of being without him. He's been my partner for my whole adulthood, a best friend for most of it! And now i'm supposed to leave with the kids and all the love we used to have. Because he now treats me like shit

WHY does he behave like this? Why doesn't he see it or address it? How can he be so nice "normally" and be a totally different person when his temper flips?

I would absolutely tell my kid to leave if she experienced the same. I would suggest she takes time for both to reflect and learn from.
I would say she could live with me as long as she needed and i would be here with whatever she concluded. I think thats the difference. I don;t have an understanding or supportive family.

OP posts:
HeavenlyEyes · 07/02/2019 13:23

Please call Women's Aid. He is an abuser and you need to get out.

He behaves like this because he is an abuser.

Shoxfordian · 07/02/2019 13:25

Yeah you need to leave as soon as you can

beckieperk · 07/02/2019 13:28

Even if you are "difficult" it's not an excuse. He sounds like a nightmare and you must be walking on eggshells not knowing if you'll get the Jekyll or the hyde. You need to stop letting your kids see him treating you like this. Sort yourself out, somehow, and then leave. Have you a close friend or family member you could confide in? Surely not everyone will take his side if they know the truth. Could you secretly record one of his outbursts?? To show mum/friend/whoever's??

That may be bad advice and not practical....but it would surely work if it's possible.

Good luck.
Ps, no it's not normal.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/02/2019 13:35

Hi cocobutta

re your comment:-

"I've told my mother, who says i should try again. How i should hold my tongue. How all men are like that. And my 2 best friends say the same"

You certainly do not have an understanding or supportive family sadly. That could well be a part of why you ended up in such an abusive relationship in the first place. What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up?. You got with this bloke when you were 19 so you really had no real life experience behind you. You were targeted by him really; he saw you as someone he could manipulate for his own ends.

He acts like this because he can and feels entitled to do so. Such men also hate women, all of them and in particular their mother. I would think that he grew up seeing his mother being abused too by his dad, abuse certainly featured in his childhood. Its a reason, not an excuse.

Your mother gave you shockingly terrifyingly bad advice here and you could also do with some new friends if they told you the same. They are all wrong here and on so many levels (I would think their romantic relationships too are abusive in nature).

There is nothing to rescue and or save here. Fear of him is often cited as a reason why women stay but he does not have any special powers here. You only need to give your own self permission to leave.

The only acceptable level of abuse in a relationship is NONE.

Do contact both the Rights of Women and Womens Aid here; they both can and will help you leave your abuser. Staying within this at all is not an option going forward because your children will be harmed by seeing you as their mother being abused like you are. You are married to this person and thus have rights in law. You could possibly get an occupation order granted against him to further get him removed from the home. Do seek legal advice asap and call the police if at any point you feel unsafe. You are at risk being with this man.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/02/2019 13:38

Abusive people are often quite plausible to those in the outside world but it is behind closed doors that their true nature emerges.

You can get away from this life of abuse, you need to do so for your sake as well as your children's. They cannot and must not keep learning such damaging lessons on relationships.

WH1SPERS · 07/02/2019 13:41

What everyone else has said. He’s an abuser and you need to leave him, to keep you and your kids safe.

Your family advice is wrong. Perhaps they don’t know what’s he’s really like, or they are biased because they used to think he was decent and it’s hard to admit that you were wrong. Maybe they are worried about how you will manage as a single mum without a job or money. Some women are old fashioned and think that any man is better that no man or that the family will be shamed. Others think that’s its normal for a man to be violent, because that’s all they know.

I’m sure their concerns come from a good place but sadly they are wrong. The violence will only get worse and spread to the children. Please get advice about how to leave .

DONT discuss anything with your husband untill you have all your plans in place. This is the time you are at most risk.

Do you have any RL friends who you know would be supportive of you?

CaseofEllen · 07/02/2019 13:58

I can only echo others advice OP. There is support out there, please seek it ASAP! Good luck to you lovely Thanks

MostlyBoastly · 07/02/2019 14:04

He is an abuser.

The side of him that you like is the bit that’s on drugs. It’s not him. It’s a chemically altered person.

Whenever this man isn’t on drugs, he is withdrawing. People can not be trusted in this state and rarely know their true capabilities.

He sounds like a horrible person and you have a duty to yourself and your children to remove yourselves from him.

aimee81 · 07/02/2019 14:05

Contact woman's aid they are amazing , I have been through mental abuse and physical it doesn't have to be kicking and punching. Mental abuse I find is worse please get help and support it will only get worse good luck ThanksThanks

Wallywobbles · 07/02/2019 14:15

This should ring bells for you and hopefully help anyone else have clarity in a similar situation.

https://www.ted.com/talks/lesliemorgannsteinerwhyydomesticviolenceevictimsdonnt_leave/up-next?language=en

Adora10 · 07/02/2019 14:22

OP, you have to get out of this, for the sake of your children, he is abusing you and them; I actually feel nauseas after reading that, I know you have normalised it and excused him, all very normal reactions because to face the truth is too much for your brain to take, totally expected in your situation.

You MUST today call Women's Aid, I can't believe your mum thinks this is ok and in front of innocent children, wow, she's not right.

You surely have one friend you can confide in, nobody on the planet will encourage you to stay in this situation, nobody!

He's one horrible cowardly shitty person, he has no respect for you or his own kids, or human beings in general, you stay, you suffer, your kids will suffer for the rest of their lives, don't do it, don't make yourself as bad as him by being part of his disgusting way of dealing with life, no normal person deals with life in this way!

explodingkitten · 07/02/2019 14:39

Even if you are the most difficult person on this planet, that doesn't mean that is ever acceptable to be abused.

Picture him treating the children in the same way he treats you, you wouldn't accept it, right? You are just as important. Plus that he will treat them the same when they get older.

zebakrheum · 07/02/2019 15:03

He is an abuser and you need to split. I suggest that the next time he behaves so aggressively, you call the police.

Incidentally, your mother's advice was completely wrong. And it concerns me somewhat that she thinks it is normal and that all men behave like that. I'm wondering what your parents' relationship is like. Is he also an abuser, and is this sort of stuff what your mother has been putting up with all these years?

longtimelurkerhelen · 07/02/2019 15:06

@cocobutta I sent you a private message. It might help with understanding this abusive behavior.

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