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Once a cheater always a cheater?

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jess24x8 · 07/02/2019 09:24

I've seen many posts on here about relationship problems/cheating and a lot of ladies tend to say that once a cheat, always a cheat. What is your personal opinion? Do you think that if someone cheats at a young age they are still likely to cheat once they've matured? Do you think this could be a reason not to give someone a second chance? Or do you simply think that people can/can't change and in fact..once a cheat, always a cheat. I just thought I'd start a discussion to see what everyone's opinions are on this topic x

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MargoLovebutter · 07/02/2019 14:01

zippey I don't think a nice person sets out to deceive someone else to their own benefit. If you have made a commitment to be faithful to another person, then it is not kind, loving, or truthful (all of which would be on my 'nice' list) to be unfaithful. It is a really horrible, unkind and selfish thing to do. I appreciate that sometimes it is an awful drunken mistake or an out of character one-off BUT it is never going to be a 'nice' thing to do to someone else.

IdleBetty · 07/02/2019 14:01

I think cheaters can change.
What they considered a priority years ago (getting their rocks off) may not be a priority further down the line.

What about those who are without a doubt faithful?
You could have married a saint, would never look at somebody else.
Years down the line, their priorities change and they turn into a cheater. But you and friends would have put your money on them being faithful.

So yes I believe it can work the other way. A cheater could become faithful.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 07/02/2019 14:05

Cheating takes some effort - the lying and gaslighting often involved makes it hard to equate that with 'nice'. It points to a high level of selfishness and emotional disconnect between what the cheater is doing and impact on their spouse and children.

ravenmum · 07/02/2019 14:10

@MargoLovebutter So for 45 years my ex was nice, then he cheated and after that he was not nice? Or was he hiding the fact that he was not nice for 45 years - in which case, if he'd died at 40, he would still not have been nice despite not having cheated? How long have you been with your current partner, if you have one? 45 years or less? 😂

Ahardmanisgoodtofind · 07/02/2019 14:11

I cheated on my first husband, with my now DH of more than a decade, I'd never cheat again.
I was a selfish idiot, my exh wasn't the nicest man and I was too cowardly to just call off the wedding as I should have done. I regret the hurt I caused (my ex and I had no children, assets or anything didn't even live together). I know many people who cheat who make excuses, and always try to put themselves in the best light, they have cheated again.
What I did was horrible, and I still feel some guilt, but I'm not a bad person, I was very young, very lost and very self absorbed. I couldn't and wouldn't cause that pain to anyone ever again (especially as now we have a family).

MargoLovebutter · 07/02/2019 14:16

ravenmum whilst not wishing to pick at your own particular relationship, please tell me how your cheating partner was nice to you when he cheated?

Drogosnextwife · 07/02/2019 14:17

I don't think that's always the case but personally I could never trust someone who cheated again.

ravenmum · 07/02/2019 14:20

HIs cheating was not nice. Cheating is not nice. Many things people do are either nice or not nice. But people are not either nice or not nice.
My ex was a hard-working, loving dad, good-natured, easy-going, always in a good mood, helpful - the absolute picture perfect nice man. For the first 15 years. Am I supposed to forget all that and say "Oh, him? He wasn't very nice."

MargoLovebutter · 07/02/2019 14:30

ravenmum I can't answer your questions. I don't know your ex and at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what I think about him. I don't know him.

I think that cheating shows such a level of disrespect to the other person that is not something a nice person would do. However, that's just my point of view and I appreciate that the word 'nice' should probably be defined and so on.

I can understand a drunken one night stand and can see that sometimes a one off mistake can be made BUT I cannot see how anyone who is loving and respectful of the feelings of others, including the person they promised they'd be faithful to, can possibly conduct an affair or cheat long-term and still think of themselves as being nice!

ravenmum · 07/02/2019 14:41

Seriously, I'd be setting a crappy example to our children and doing my ex an injustice if I ignored the first 15 years of our marriage, brushed all the great things off and just focused on the bad bits about their dad. So I'm just going to stick with the idea that life is a bit more complex than people fitting neatly into two types. You are more than welcome to stick to your view of the world, too, though it may mean some rewriting of history if your partner does ever cheat!

Wherearemymarbles · 07/02/2019 14:41

In some cases some might cheat on one partner but not another.
When at uni there were people cheating on their partners back home who may never cheat again.

But i do think that once you’ve cheated within the relationship doing it again becomes much easier

MargoLovebutter · 07/02/2019 14:43

ravenmum I never said a bad word about my DCs father to them. They worked out that he was selfish and entitled all by themselves!

WhenLifeGivesYouLemonsx · 07/02/2019 14:47

Yes. They cannot change! It's like an addiction.

This woman in question is no longer a friend of mine, but her fiancé cheated on her. She forgave him, he cheated again. She forgave him, then she cheated on him. They decided to just part ways. Are you getting my drift?

If they cheat on you, then it is finished. You will no longer have that love, trust and respect and you need all 3 of those things to make a relationship work.

ravenmum · 07/02/2019 14:50

I'd rather the kids think that their dad made a mistake, and is flawed like everyone in this world.
I mean, if I teach them that people are either nice or nasty, I'd really have to be the perfect supermum after that at all times, right? Rod for my own back etc. Grin

TheInnerVoice · 07/02/2019 14:50

Thing is it’s far too simplistic to say that a cheater is not a nice person or that if someone cheats there are never outside factors which lead to this being the case. And anyone who admits to having had an affair is automatically dismissed because they had an affair after all and of course they’re going to downplay it.

But the reality is that cheating is very rarely blac and white. And while cheating is nevr the right course of action or the right thing to do, there can be circumstances which explain why someone ended up cheating rather than justifying that fact.

Also, whether we like to admit it or not, society does not support the notion of leaving a relationship for other reasons. How often do people come on here and say that their partner has said they don’t love them any more and want to leave? That partner is still called all the names under the sun, and yet should they not be allowed to fall out of love and leave an unhappy relationship just because it’s an unhappy relationship? People judge people for leaving without a tangible reason far more harshly than if they leave for an OW or because of an OW/OM.

And every nice person does horrible things. Where does one draw the line at what makes you a nice person and what doesn’t? If you shouted at your kids once and lost it does that forever make you a bad person? If you have a massive row with your partner involving name calling and swearing once does that make you a bad person for the rest of your life? Your actions at the time may make you a bad person but that doesn’t mean that you are a bad person forever and were always one anyway.

And now here’s the bit where everything I said will be dismissed because I had an affair. Nothing in the world can justify it and I can hand on heart say that I would never do it again. However my eXH was emotionally abusive to the point he gaslighted me throughout our relationship. At the earliest opportunity he attempted to move us away from all my friends and family, I threatened to leave him once over it and he backed down, but a year later after things had normalised again he brought it back up and pressed the point until I felt I had no choice. He made it impossible for me to go back to work because of the long hours he worked meaning that we wouldn’t have had childcare. He bugged the house to see what I was doing during the day, put keyloggers on my computer to see what I was doing, I later found out he took naked pictures of me when I was unaware and kept them without telling me.

He gaslighted me by telling me that certain friends of his wanted to set him up with female friends of theirs, when I mentioned it some time down the line (as we’d laughed about it at the time) he accused me of lying.

If friends called me he would question why they couldn’t get support from someone else, the list here is endless.

When I met the OM it was as if something clicked, and suddenly I realised that there were people out there who could be interested in me for me. We were together once only, and then I went home and ended the relationship which tbh was already on shaky ground and I’d spoken of leaving. The affair with the OM ended for other reasons, eXH would have taken me back then but I had actually realised that I could leave and that people would get it, I was even told before that there was never any justification for leaving a relationship other than an affair or physical violence, but I didn’t choose an affair and looking back I wish I’d been stronger and left before but I hadn’t.

Now he’s in another relationship and has gaslighted his partner in the same way.

But feel free to believe that it was all on me, that I am evil personified and that my ex was a blameless victim just because I cheated.

Thing is, if I’d come on to mn and recounted some of the stuff my ex did during our relationship I would have been told he was abusive and I deserved better. But the instant I cheated his abuse has seemingly been wiped out and he is the victim whereas I am entirely to blame for the breakdown of my marriage. M

ravenmum · 07/02/2019 14:55

I would agree that if someone has cheated on you before, then there's a higher chance than average of them cheating on you again - though I'd mainly put it down to the issues that led to the cheating not having gone away. If they were dissatisfied enough to cheat once, that dissatisfaction could easily return.

MargoLovebutter · 07/02/2019 14:56

Just to clarify, I don't think if you are not a cheater, you are automatically nice/kind/loving/selfless!

ravenmum I wanted my DC to make up their own minds, so I didn't say anything much about their father, then they could do it without me influencing them one way or another.

Fiona0x · 07/02/2019 14:58

@ravenmum fair play, you have a really positive take on things

EhlanaOfElenia · 07/02/2019 15:04

@Notthatsimple - Just not interested in anyone but him.

Sorry, but that's not really a true indication. A true indication would be if someone else DID interest you, what you would do about it? Would you prioritise your relationship, and do what needed to be done to nip the other attraction in the bud, or would you have a friendship with that person because "it's not cheating", until one day it suddenly is cheating?

ravenmum · 07/02/2019 15:28

@Fiona0x It's not especially positive, even - cheats often have to rewrite history to justify their actions, and when my ex did this, I didn't accept his negative rewrite! So partly just a reaction to the situation.

WTBE · 07/02/2019 15:28

I wouldn't agree with once a cheat. Of course it depends on the person. A man/woman cheating on every single partner they've had is more than likely that way inclined and I would find it almost impossible to trust.

But someone who cheated once when in their teens, but say 30 years later has never cheated since? Bit of an arsehole in the past, but wouldn't apply that statement to them.

TheInnerVoice · 07/02/2019 15:41

@EhlanaOfElenia but it’s not even as simple as what would you do if someone presented themselves and the opportunity because it’s often the case that affairs start out as friendships and then progress and often it’s the naive “I would never cheat” types who fall for them because by the time they realise they’re emotionally involved it’s already too late, iyswim.

For me, I have male friends, always have had and always will have. But I have no interest in being remotely interested in any of them, and the signs are so often there before you spot them.

Every single one of us has the capacity to cheat in the ideal circumstances. That doesn’t mean that every single one of us would, but every one of us could end up in a position where it was possible and many do even though they would have sworn that they never would.

The people whose partners cheat who say that they never would have thought they would, often those same people never thought they would either, and yet they do.

And interestingly, quite a high number of people who cheat on their partners have also been cheated on in the past.

BayandBlonde · 07/02/2019 15:45

My ex was a serial cheater in his younger years.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt and liked to think he had 'grown out of it'....sadly not.

In my opinion, once a cheater always a cheater. They are very difficult to change.

This particular person had experience cheating from his father and uncle, so I guess he was raised to think it was acceptable.

Sad thing is, he is actually a lovely bloke, just not one you would want a relationship with.

MargoLovebutter · 07/02/2019 15:51

TheInnerVoice could you back up your assertion that those who cheat have also been cheated on in the past - I'd be really interested in that. It isn't something I've heard before.

Basically, we are animals and obviously the instinct to have sex is pretty strong. Physical attraction can be really, really powerful.

I've not been short of married men who thought I might like to be their lover. Funnily enough, having been cheated on, that seemed like an incredibly unappealing option for me, particularly as in my mind I was thinking of their unsuspecting wife believing that her husband would be coming home not having shagged someone else!

Crowdo · 07/02/2019 16:02

I think it can be a one off, but mostly I think once a cheat, always a cheat. I don't personally have what it takes to stay faithful. I'll only be in non monogamous relationships as a result, as I know what I'm like.

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