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AIBU to lose the love for my parents?

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AlexanderSalamander · 04/02/2019 11:03

I've been feeling emotionally torn for about 14 months...
I'lve tried to keep this short but it's almost impossible. I'll have to post the second half in the comments.

About 13 months ago we (me, 9 month old DS & DH) lived with my parents temporarily. My dad had a 'mental breakdown' and for no apparent reason one night, he lost control, became abusive to my mother and brother (had a fight) and tried to kick Bro, DH, DS and I out of the house (it was winter, week before xmas). I had to call Police to calm/stop him. Police came, calmed him, said Bro had to leave as Dad has the right but we couldn't leave that night (about 11pm) with having the baby and he could ask us to leave next day. Anyway, we didnt sleep most of that night in fear. Dad stayed up, kept drinking all night, could hear him smashing things and throwing things around periodically. At about 6am there was another commotion, extremely drunken dad was pulling mum out of bed telling her to get out. DH and I tried to stop him, he then turned on us, was cycling between wanting us out and wanting us to stay, bringing up things mum had done in the past as 'examples' of what a 'bad person' shes been. He tried to access our room where DS was sleeping, he tried to punch DH who restrained him. We tried to calm him down. Mum tried to talk to him, Dad was crying like I've never heard before. Amongst all this I had to call Police who told me stay on the phone. Dad went to kitchen drawer and mum shouted he'd got a knife and she ran to us (bungalow). We barricaded the door, Police still on the phone, on their way, dad banging the door down. Then it went quiet. I wanted to go check on him (thought he might have done something to himself and had visions of him laying on the bed in a pool of blood) but Police told me not too. Armed Police finally arrived. Dad was just sat in the lounge like nothing happened, gladly went with Police to station. We all had to give statements that day and we arranged for friends to come help us pack up and leave the house and we moved into a hotel for a few days (whilst house purchase was finalising). Ended up no charges were brought and dad was sent home later that day. We couldn't prove he had a knife; I never saw one but heard the drawer rattle, mum wouldn't say she saw it. We left the house, only mum in the house now, she wouldnt leave etc. I spoke to dad on the phone over the next few days to try to resolve things, as clearly he'd had a mental breakdown. He went between being apologetic to hating us and saying we owed another months rent. On the rent note, we stayed 3.5 months, we offered to pay £300/month rent when we moved in and I'd paid for 3 months, so if anything I would owe half a month, but refused to pay that seeing as though we were forced into a hotel. Anyway, our house purchase finally went through, moved in 4 days before xmas. Last time I spoke to dad things seemed to be on a level. Word from mum was that he was annoyed over the rent owed and at me for falling Police. On xmas day, we went to see M&D. Dad didnt say 1 word to me, DH or even to DS on his first xmas which annoyed me the most, turned his nose up at our gifts (already bought and wrapped before the drama!). I eventually decided to 'ignore' it and move on, though it was hard. We've ended up visiting only about once a month in the last year, still bought for mothers & fathers days, birthdays & xmas but it's been awkward each time, each time getting worse in my eyes. Conversation only about DS and small talk really. Previous events never discussed again.

Some background: (see comments below)

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AlexanderSalamander · 04/02/2019 11:04

Some background; I'm the type of person to avoid confrontation. I've always been the good little girl who did everything my parents said, basically out of fear rather than respect (I'm now in my thirties). I've suffered with anxiety for the last 10ish years, probably longer and stemming from childhood from what therapists say. Dad has always been aggressive, has hit/punched/fought everyone in his family to resolve matters to be the alpha Male. Used to smash up the house when we were kids because it was untidy (because some ornaments were dusty) so looking back I lived in fear. I was the one as a child running around the house tidying up so that dad wouldnt get angry. Younger brother was the antagonist. Mum didnt antagonise but still didnt help herself much. She lived to 'serve' my dad, literally. No job, did everything for him and I see now is clearly afraid of him. I will point out that he never hit me or my bro, except for discipline. We had everything we wanted as kids, mostly thanks to my mum looking back, except the love from our father really and for me, the feeling of true safety as I was a scared little girl. Dad was unable to show his emotions, unable to show his love for us for the most part. Made some questionable decisions. Yet I was a daddy's girl. Mum used to say it was how dad was treated when he was younger that meant he couldn't show it, but mum told us dad loved us. He once pulled out a chunk of my mums hair the size of a 50p coin, right from the root, when he argued with her and kicked her out for finding out about her secret credit card and debt. Obviously he couldn't live without her and she moved back in about a week later. He kicked me out of the house effectively making me homeless at 20 years old because I had a boyfriend (now my DH) and I saw him too often and wasn't home enough. I had a 12 midnight curfew at that age; I once came home after that time and he stood behind the door not letting me in, mum 'trying' to let me in but dad won. Bear in mind we lived on a very rough and notorious council estate at the time. I went back to BFs house for the night.
We've never discussed any of this, theres no use, I went back (never to live, I stayed moved out) as if nothing happened, got on with it. I've just swept it under the rug.

But now that rug is bulging with the amount of crap underneath it and something needs doing about it.

That's it in a nutshell. I'm feeling very torn because to be honest I've lost the love for both my parents. I do feel sorry for my mum as she wasnt to blame, but shes never stood up for us or herself either, obviously out of fear but she wont do anything about it. She says she loves dad, yet hes told her he doesn't love her and never has each time he's drunk (which used yo he quite often). Shes always had a way of guilt tripping me and making me feel bad and sorry for her though. One e.g: getting 'caught' 'secretly' crying to get her own way. I feel torn because of my DS. Mum says how she wants to see him more often but I cant bring myself to visit more. I actually don't want to visit at all, which is the part I feel most torn about because, they are my parents. Dad chats a little when we visit. We've never discussed what happened or how I feel. DH days to talk to them about how I feel, but I know it's no use. They will never listen to me or empathise with how I feel, it will fall on deaf ears, I will be wrong either way, they will be right, my version wont be right etc etc. Which is why I dont want to discuss it with them and I really dont want to revisit the past; it's been hard enough writing it here. I've been having nightmares at least twice a month featuring various storylines which involve my dad going mental again. We've been visiting about once a month, but on the week run up to when I think it's time to visit, I have more nightmares, I feel more anxious and have recently had panic attacks again. I feel so scared that I wont visit them without DH coming with me. They've never been to our new house - I've never invited them and I really dont want them there, although mum has hinted about visiting a few times and I ignore it or change subject.

This last week we've had DSs 2nd birthday and I think I should take him to visit but I cant, this time I feel even worse. I'm 22wk pregnant and worried in case anything is brought up as I don't want to stress and list the baby. I worry in case they mention anything about what happened (which would only result in arguement) or if mum asks why we dont visit more - shes already hinted that she wants to see us more but I brush it off so I dont have to discuss it. I worry about when my next baby is born, that they will want to visit and see it.

DH is so supportive. He now dislikes my parents but will visit with me to support me and play happy families. He will stick up for me if anything is ever said yet nothing ever is whilst he is in the room, it's only ever if he leaves (toilet etc) or if mum corners me alone or mum by text message. DH wont say anything to sway my decision as he wants me to make up my own mind but will support whatever I choose. Hes suggested lots of things, like meeting parents elsewhere instead of at their home or just meeting mum alone, none of which I want to do as I feel like it will almost 'show' that somethings wrong and initiate discussion, again, which I dont want and mum is more likely to want to discuss it without dad present too. I cry frequently about this whole situation. DH reminds me that I'm a woman now, with my own family and my own choices to make and I dont have to worry about my parents, or do what they say or what I think they want me to do anymore. But I cant seem to shake that childrens mindset with them and I still want to please them or keep everything going 'smoithly', just like when I was a child. Yet part of me knows I'm a woman now and I should live for me and my little family. Sounds stupid I known.

I feel now that my options are:

  1. to sweep everything under that rug again and carry on like happy families. I've tried to do this for the last year and its obviously not working and gradually making me feel worse and more awkward. This would kind of avoid confrontation for a while but I'll always have it looming over me and I'll always feel like this?
  1. Not visit ever again, cut ties. I feel that I'd be more happy with this option in all honesty. However, how would I even do this without confrontation? I feel that I cant because I should keep contact only for my DS and new baby, even though M&D are toxic! And I feel bad for feeling this way, because, they're my parents.

My go-to phrase every time is "but they're my parents".

Discussing with parents to resolve matters is really not an option for me.

Throughout my childhood, my parents fell out with various family members, often they and us kids not seeing them for years. Dads mother for about 6 years, mums sister for 10 years, dads brothers and sisters for many years a various times. So they understand what it's like to cut ties and would understand I hope if I did this to them?! But should I be like them?

I've never told any of this to friends. I've discussed briefly with my MIL who knows the type of relationship I've had with parents and although saying it's my decision, she kind of thinks I need to cut ties, even though it's my parents, as she knows I'll feel better not having their dark cloud looming over me.

Please help.

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Aprilshowersarecomingsoon · 04/02/2019 11:11

Wow a mil on your side!
Sounds like a horrendously awful childhood op. Imo your need to protect your precious dc from ever witnessing any such episodes is a good enough reason to stop visiting.
Your dh has truly got your back, accept his support in you staying away from both of them. Your dm is an enabler and quite conniving in her own from your post.
Stay home, enjoy your dc +pregnancy and leave them to it.
I am nc with both dps and it is bliss.
We owe them nothing ime.

MrsBertBibby · 04/02/2019 11:11

Good Lord, cut ties!

Yayswimming · 04/02/2019 11:14

They sound awful Op. It's ok to look after your own mental health and put yourself and your dc first even though your parents haven't taught you how to do this. You feel uncomfortable raising your feelings with your parents because they have taught you to put your needs and feelings second to theirs. I think you need to protect your little family from this unhealthy toxicity. Your dc will learn from you how you let your parents act around you and treat you and you need to model boundaries and looking after yourself. You wouldn't let anyone else treat you like this and carry on seeing them. It's great that your dh is so supportive.

AlexanderSalamander · 04/02/2019 11:24

It sounds awful being told my childhood was horrendous. Looking back and working with therapists - mentally, it was. But I know people suffered worse childhoods than myself, physical abuse etc so I think that's one of the reasons it's hard for me to understand and why I question how I'm feeling about them now.

Yes, I know I'm so lucky to have such a caring and understanding DH and my MIL is actually a lovely!

I know you only have my side to rely on. Thank you for your comments so far.

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WhoGivesADamnForAFlakeyBandit · 04/02/2019 11:25

Cut ties.
That's not normal - normal is not spending Christmas with someone who was so verbally and physically abusive you had to call the police twice a week beforehand. Normal would be to NOT have gone near him.

AlexanderSalamander · 04/02/2019 11:32

WhoGives... I know. I wish I hadn't and it would have been easier to cut ties then. It was against my better judgement I suppose but I wanted everything to go back to normal! I obviously have no strength when it comes to my parents.

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AlexanderSalamander · 04/02/2019 11:36

Sorry me again.

As the consensus so far is to cut ties (with DH and MIL included really), how would I go about this? I'm still too weak to confront them and my mum is in contact by text, whatsapp and Facebook. We dont talk on the phone. Would I just stop replying and never visit again? That's how I'd see to do it but that's horrible isn't it?

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Aprilshowersarecomingsoon · 04/02/2019 12:16

Unfortunately I am unable to have any further contact with you /df.
Take care of yourselves.

And block.

Or fuck off you twats- but I am sure that's not your style.
After not seeing my dm for years she wrote to me apologising for being a rubbish dm basically. I just said I was sorry we couldn't have the sort of relationship she wanted. And left it at that.
Nc for 7 years now. And previously ten.

AlexanderSalamander · 04/02/2019 13:31

AprilShowers I'd love to have the balls to go with your second suggestion! I really would! I think I'll have to formulate a firm but gentle message, send it, worry about the reply/backlash, whether they'll turn up at my door for a while and try to move on. Feel sick Confused You're very right, we owe them nothing.

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