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Will setting boundaries work?

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Difficult2018 · 19/01/2019 21:52

Have posted before about husband having severe mental health issues but using these as a scaffold to justify him just being awful to me, strops, swearing, calling me fucking disgusting and then pathetic when I say it’s hurtful on a daily basis in front of our daughter. Ultimately at the moment and over the last few years because of his OCD and other issues I’ve given in to his ‘needs’ which looking back is enabling behaviour, which has lead to this narrative where he can be as horrid as he feels fit, then calm down over shutting himself away for hours or days, then apologising. I know it’s verging on emotional abuse and was teetering on the edge of leaving over the last few weeks, but I know I need to do everything I can first- otherwise the guilt will kill me.
Back story- we’ve been together since uni, both late thirties DD 3. He works full time, I did until DD and have been part time since. Both work in education, I was far above him before DD but he has now overtaken me so that’s also changed the dynamic and he often brings up things I ‘should’ be doing, then rips me to shreds when they’re not done to his standards.
Anyway, after an awful week including added outside stress on his part meaning I had to do all parenting duties all week, he had repeatedly said he would do everything today and tomorrow to make up for it (but 2days doesn’t =7+abuse). He kept on saying how much he wanted to spend time with me etc and even now he’s still not sat with me, except when I said I need to have that chat we discussed. I basically had said to him each time he’d apologied this week we need to reset the boundaries because this isn’t working. Tonight I stopped him and said I need to say this and we need to move forward. I basically said from now on, absolutely no swearing or name calling. The words pathetic and disgusting are vetoed. He kept bringing it back being like ‘well if you’re saying that you need to think about what you did to make me say it’ to which I said it’s always a choice and even though I have MHP too, I choose not to take it out on him. I’ve said if he doesn’t comply we will not share a bed. I know he’s not taken it seriously but when I go zero tolerance from here will it work?? Can I raise my expectations from shit to a tiny bit of respect?? This is my last ditch attempt at sorting this mess out or DD and I will end up living with my parents... which would be heartbreaking. Has anyone every tried this? Really hope someone can shine a light at the end of the tunnel! At this point I’ve been so hurt over the past few years that I don’t even know if it’s worth savings anymore Sad

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Echobelly · 19/01/2019 21:57

I've gotta say, doesn't sound like it. The 'You need to think about what you do to make me say it' is a classic abuser line. He doesn't have to think about what he says, but you are supposed to think about 'setting him off'. MHP, as you say, are no excuse for being a nasty, abusive person. So no, I don't think boundaries will work as he clearly doesn't think they should have to apply to him. Sorry.

FrozenMargaritas · 19/01/2019 22:02

No it won't work. For the reasons Echobelly said. Also, you're fighting against years' of precedent. Even if he was open to changing you would struggle to enforce the boundaries you need as your sense of normal is so off. Aiming for "a tiny bit of respect" shows how beaten down you are by the situation.

Moneymachine · 19/01/2019 22:16

If he is truly remorseful and wants to change (you may have seen patterns of him being better for a while?) - then you can try to articulate boundaries again..

It never worked with my ex though :(

lstef · 19/01/2019 22:29

Mental health is not an excuse for abuse - his behaviour is abusive, MHP or not. there are no valid excuses for abuse.

a book called living with the dominator might help you - its from the freedom project.

Difficult2018 · 19/01/2019 22:30

Thank you all so much x

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Ozziewozzie · 19/01/2019 22:38

Your dh doesn’t seem to be listening and understanding you. He’s justifying his poor behaviour, but then so are you by making allowances and remaining with him. You can’t train someone with Mh issues to behave. They need professional help, guidance etc. They can lack the ability of balance and measure in situations, so therefore have no limit on response.

You can’t keep doing this to yourself, and it’s unfair on your child. I’d say it’s clear you’ve been patient and supportive. Your dh has to help himself. You cannot do this for him.

Maybe if you leave he will ‘ see the light’ and sort himself out. If he doesn’t, then I’d say it’s safe to say he never will.

Isleepinahedgefund · 20/01/2019 09:24

He can be both an arsehole and have MH problems. MH is not an excuse for behaving like this. If your MH problem makes you behave like this, you take steps to change that.

I think your "D"H is just an arsehole TBH, and he's using you as his emotional punchbag. Telling you to think about what you did to make him say something derogatory? Nothing to do with his MH and everything to do with him being an emotional abusive arse.

Get yourself out of there. If you can't do it for you, do it for your DD - do you want her to think this is how she should expect to be treated in a relationship? Leave, and let him get on with it.

peekyboo · 20/01/2019 09:32

It isn't verging on abuse. It's been abuse for years, if thIs is your normal.

Leave and work it through from a distance. You'll see how serious he is at changing.

Your child deserves a normal life.

category12 · 20/01/2019 09:44

It isn't verging on abuse. It's been abuse for years, if thIs is your normal.

This ^

bionicnemonic · 20/01/2019 09:44

I saw this quote in here and it resonated so much that I copied it (don’t know who said it but thank you to them anyway)
“Once you remove yourself from the mindset of not being good enough you will be amazed at how wonderful your life becomes, ”

WH1SPERS · 20/01/2019 09:45

I agree he’s abusive. And I think that he will simply not comply with your boundaries, or say that they are wrong , you have no right to set them , insist you must constantly justify them etc etc .

But if it’s what you need to do to convince yourself that you have “ tried everything “ and are justified in leaving, then go ahead. Set yourself a date target and decide how much improvement you want to see by then. Don’t tell your partner but tell someone else to make yourself accountable .

How would you feel about running a twin track strategy? On one hand setting boundaries with your DP and monitoring his compliance .

And on the other hand, doing research and taking practical steps to splitting up ( again don’t tell him ). Get advice about housing and benefits, save up for a deposit, get copies of important documents and store elsewhere , get details of all assets, savings, pensions etc .

Do these both at the same time, to keep your options open. Then you can make a decision based on the facts .

Difficult2018 · 20/01/2019 10:47

God that’s so so scary. Already crying. I can’t believe it’s come to this. Yes that sounds like a plan. I work part time, earn £1200 a month, how do I know what I’d get benifit wise? I pay £400 childcare so that brings it down to £800 a month and a crappy one bed flat here is £600 😭 I just don’t understand how I’m supposed to get out. And ultimately I do love him and hope he changes but absolutely, DD comes first. Things mainly happen when she’s asleep but whenever they’ve been around her I’ve made it very clear it’s wrong, no matter the stress he’s in. So hard. I feel like such a dick for letting it get like this. I know my worth but fine cause he’s been ill for so long it’s just become the norm, I didn’t realise I should separate his abuse from his illness and now it seems it’s too late. He’s incredibly high moraled and doesn’t believe in divorce so it will be very very very hard 😭

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FrozenMargaritas · 20/01/2019 11:09

His morals mean he doesn't believe in divorce but he's totally cool with belittling and emotionally abusing his wife...

Mary1935 · 20/01/2019 11:10

Doesn’t believe in divorce? WOW great reason for you to stay then!!!
What’s he doing to save the marriage? Sounds like Ziltch.
Do you rent or own, are you on the mortgage or tenancy.
Go to a website called Entitled to - you can key in all your details and it will let you know what you are entitled to.
He will need to pay maintainace which is extra.
He’s a bully and abusive. It’s all about him.
Read Lundy Bancroft - Why does he do that. I think it can be a free download or buy from Amazon.
The Freedom course is a 10 week course re abusive relationships.
You can do it on line or at a local group.
Re your comment re Divorce - is he a church goer at all - “an upstanding member of the community”;- tell him well “I believe in divorce” don’t let it be all about him and his needs. What about you?
does he treat anyone else the way he treats you?
I would start sourcing his finances savings and pension information.
Can you start taking money and put it to one side.
Do you have family you can turn too? Or friends you can confide in.
You can call women’s aid for input too.
He may say he will change when the shit hits the fan - they very very rarely do.
Google abusive behaviours - I’m sure you will see he’s abusive in many ways.
Your children will be affected by this.
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Quartz2208 · 20/01/2019 11:14

yes it will be hard but in the end it will be so much easier than where you are right now and so much better for your daughter.

Remember if she is 3 school will be soon and as you are in education you can go for more hours.

What is your house situation?

But the truth of the matter is you cant do anything you cant fix this - only he can and he doesnt want to. he is making the narrative all about you but it isnt.

peekyboo · 20/01/2019 11:41

You'd be surprised how much easier everything feels when you don't have to stand up to emotional abuse every single day of your life.

Being happy doesn't make money grow on trees but it does mean you can enjoy your daughter's childhood without this spectre at the feast.

lilybetsy · 20/01/2019 11:53

Leave leave leave, what a horrible person you are stuck with. He won’t change because he doesn’t want to. You can’t “make him understand” because he doesn’t want to change.

Just get out if this shit situation

pissedonatrain · 20/01/2019 12:19

He's an abusive arse who is just using his issues to abuse you.

He can't be all that screwed up if he can maintain a proper job and doesn't kick off swearing etc. at work??

Cut your losses now before your child thinks this is how life is supposed to be.

Difficult2018 · 20/01/2019 15:46

We’re massively in debt and barely make ends meet each month- although we work together quite well about money. We took on too much being very nieave about how much we could do each month. Both on the house and the majority of the deposit was from me which I’m sure I can trace. I know you’re right, and I know I rationalise it as it’s probably 40/60 crap but when he’s bad it’s awful and I don’t think 60% ok is enough for DD to see. If we did go we’d have to go to my mums, no car as that’s in his name which would make getting DD to nursery impossible. But ultimately if this doesn’t work that’s what will happen, although I think it’s more likely we’d have to stay while the house is up for sale as neither of us could pay individually. It’s definitely something I should be planning for. We have no savings and are each £600 in overdrafts. Hard times

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