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What do I do?

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FrozenMargarita17 · 09/01/2019 15:23

This might be long, so I apologise. Please be kind.

Some background:

When I had my baby 18 months ago, I had PND. My husband ignored it completely, he would ignore me when I sobbed, he would hear me crying and saying 'I wish I was dead' and either roll over or put a hand on me but nothing else. He would walk in late from work (after staying as late as he can), say hello, and then go to the shed or out on the bike or whatever. Until she was 3/4 months, I had to go to bed at 8pm because she couldn't cope with being downstairs anymore, she would scream blue murder and when she cried it made my thoughts even worse, but if I took her upstairs into the dark and quiet she would calm and then sleep. After a day of being on your own and not speaking a word to an adult, to having my husband walk in at 7ish and then going to bed at 8 I was feeling extremely low and lonely. My husband wouldn't ever take her up himself because he said he needed to watch TV to unwind.

I spoke to the Health visitor about being low, and she said 'it doesn't seem that bad'. At my 6 week check, I cried to the GP and asked for help and they said 'refer yourself' - she didn't even offer me a tissue.

I had some counselling when she was 11 weeks. The lady was nice, but she would minimise my feelings, and say 'everyone feels like that' and would give me the same leaflet each week. She didn't remember who I was every time I walked in, and I had to explain to her again and again. I came out of the sessions feeling stupid.

My husband and I have differences in parenting - when she was a newborn he would badger me about holding her too much, and me feeling frightened, overwhelmed and criticised would put her down even though I didn't want to. He didn't think about the 4th trimester at all. (He has said recently, to a couple who are having a baby this year, that if he were to do it again he would take the 4th trimester seriously, and he wishes he hadn't gone straight into 'strict parent mode'. This made me very sad.)
He told anyone and everyone that as soon as she was born he would be taking her out and doing things. I had an infection after birth and I ended up feeling extremely ill, but I was frightened of being away from her so I went out with him. There are pictures of us out and I am white as a sheet and to this day it upsets me. I'm smiling but I look so ill.

Before she was born he would say things like 'I'm not having any of this no sleeping business, I'll train her like my sister did'. His sister did controlled crying at 6 months. I didn't agree to anything before she was born, and when she got here (and I felt the effect of her crying on me) I knew I couldn't do that. He was unsympathetic to crying from a tiny age. He would call her whingey even though she was under 12 weeks old. I felt like I had to protect her from him, I felt like he didn't like her at all. We moved her in to her own room at 4 months for 2 reasons, one being that she was getting big for her moses basket, and two was he wanted his room back. I was anxious about this but agreed to try it. It didn't go well, and I would put her down and be up there every ten minutes (he would help with this but get increasingly frustrated, and I would just go and lay down with her
) or go and sleep in the spare bedroom with her so I could get some sleep. There were nights I was hallucinating with lack of sleep. I was on the non-sleeper board here for a long time, and whenever I asked friends in real life they would say 'have you tried laying down with her?' 'maybe it's because you moved her too early' 'maybe it's because you have PND'. He had her overnight and I slept in the spare bed on my own 2 or 3 times so I could get at least some sleep.

When she got a bit bigger, he realised that she would actually sleep if she was in with us, and so we did that.

She's 18 months now and things are so much better, she will go to sleep in her cot, she just needs a hand on her to fall asleep. I'll do whatever I have to to get some sleep. He still gets pissed off around bedtimes, especially if it takes a while.

I find it really hard to get over how things were when I had PND. I still get upset about it sometimes especially when I see my friends all excited for their first baby, and I think of how things should have been. I am back at work part time, and I still do the majority of things. H has started to do things around the house too, but he now gets angry at me for things not being tidy enough. For example, yesterday morning I was rushing to get ready for work - I usually have 30 minutes to get ready, however he called and said he had forgotten to put the bins out, and could I do it. So I ran and did that, grabbing the recycling from the kitchen on the way, leaving me with 20 minutes to shower, grab some lunch and get out. I managed this, but there now wasn't a bin bag in the bin, so I got a plastic bag out and put my rubbish in there, thinking when I get home I'll put a bin bag in and transfer. The rest of the house was tidy because I had done it the night before.

I had to pick dd up after nursery, and when I got home (about 5:45) I gave her some snacks, and sat with her for 30 minutes, just spending time with her after being at work. He came home and had bought things for dinner, so I cooked dinner while he took the dog for a walk.

Earlier in the day, we had been discussing how down I am about my body after having dd and how I struggle to get time to exercise, so he suggested I go swimming that night, I agreed.

We had dinner and I realised that if I wanted to go swimming I had better go now, so I left my tray on the side and rushed out. He did bedtime.

I swam for half an hour, and came straight home, and when I got there she was crying upstairs and I said 'oh I'll get her' and he said 'no, just leave her to cry' and was clearly annoyed. I said 'it's ok I'll sort it' and went up, she fell asleep after 5 minutes.

While she was falling asleep I could hear him banging around downstairs. When I came downstairs, I immediately started to help him clean up and he was extremely hostile with me, saying how the house is a shithole and it's never clean etc. I told him that I hadn't had any time (except for giving up my half hour with dd, or not going swimming) to properly clean anything, and I was coming home to do it now. I had put the dishwasher on that morning to come home and do it later that evening. I feel like nothing I do is good enough, it was only a bit of mess from doing dinner (and a baby bag put on the side in a rush after getting home) which usually I would have cleaned up after I'd eaten but I rushed out.

My level of tidiness is actually better than it was since he met me, so I said if he's unhappy now he's welcome to live elsewhere. Probably not the best thing to say, but I felt attacked. I slept on dd's floor. It was awful, but I didn't want to be anywhere near him.

He's not spoken to me all day now - ignored me this morning before work, and when I asked him how dd was (he drops her off) he didn't respond until an hour and a half later.

I'm trying to get some more counselling for me, to help with my communication and to help me get over how things were when she was small.

Has anyone got any wise words of wisdom? Or reassurances? I don't know what to do. I sometimes think about leaving - it would be easier with only me and dd to please. Am I wrong? It's so hard to keep the house showroom clean when I have an 18 month old running round after me, destroying it, or hanging on to my legs!

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FrozenMargarita17 · 09/01/2019 19:59

@PookieDo thank you for replying. Things were supposed to be so different. I knew we wouldn't agree on everything but when I tell him that her crying upsets me I thought we could discuss a way of dealing with it (I bought a book on no cry sleep solutions and stuff) but he just said 'come back to me when you want me to do controlled crying'

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FrozenMargarita17 · 09/01/2019 20:00

@teainthemorning I really thought when I was pregnant that he would be. I'd always felt I could go to him but it's like things changed

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PookieDo · 09/01/2019 20:06

I remember my gran died when DD2 was born, it was awful. I was already falling down the PND hole and all ex DP was worried about was having sex. I remember asking the health visitor to talk to him about what PND was, she did try. We went on holiday to scatter my GM ashes with my whole family and one day I just walked off down the beach and didn’t go back for 5 hours. Everyone was worried and angry with me but I just wanted to run away. And he was still going on at me about bin bags. I actually left him over a bin bag in the end. His pettiness just grew and grew. I got home from work and he met me at the door with his shoes on and before I even got in the door he was whinging about a bin bag. I said that’s it! I’m leaving you! And I did!

I also have sad memories about DD and the Dark Period but can I assure you that I have a very close RS with her now? It DOES get better. If he will go to counselling this is your only option

libellule1 · 09/01/2019 20:32

I think he is finding parenting and your changed relationship very difficult himself, and if you could go to counselling together you might be able to work through it. Having kids is so tough, you are both feeling bitter and resenting the other.

A lot of the petty issues causing the bad feelings could be fixed with hiring a cleaner if that is possible. As you are both working it definitely shouldn't fall all to you so hopefully he can keep doing more to help.

FrozenMargarita17 · 09/01/2019 20:37

@tootiredtospeak I'm not leaving him just yet. Just sometimes (one example is the other day when he listed all the things that he doesn't like that I do in an aggressive tone while walking off from me) I feel like this guy really doesn't like me, and I think Jesus if it was just me and dd it would be a hell of a lot easier.

The crying thing has always been difficult (when she was newborn and I was in the depths of pnd her crying would set my thoughts off and it would make me sob as well) and yes I did undermine him but it has been a conversation we have had over and over. Her crying is something I cannot stand and he knows this. He knows that if she cries (properly cries, not toddler whinging) I will go to her. I don't believe in crying herself to sleep. He was pissed off that she wasn't asleep already, and he has an insecurity about being incompetent. If I ask him to do something in a different way, he will say I'm insinuating he is incompetent. Which I'm not, I'm just saying hey why don't you try it like this.

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FrozenMargarita17 · 09/01/2019 20:38

@PookieDo that's such a huge shame. I'm sorry for your loss and at such an awful time. I really do feel awful about how her life started. It should have been so different.

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FrozenMargarita17 · 09/01/2019 20:39

@libellule1 we have talked about this but it never materialised, as we were thinking about moving away. I really want to go to counselling

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Quartz2208 · 09/01/2019 20:45

Oh he really has done a number on you hasnt he - when you feel bad for speaking to him or doing what he wants

FrozenMargarita17 · 09/01/2019 20:46

@Quartz2208 how so? I'm not being snarky , I think I'm having trouble seeing what he's actually been like. I'm reading this and thinking oh my god he is like that

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tootiredtospeak · 09/01/2019 20:53

I think some men feel incompetent when it comes to parenting and sometimes their view is disregarded as Mum knows best. I think you could both find common ground with the counselling. It sounds to me reading your side that he feels you undermine him and speak to him in a way which suggests he is incompetent. I do this I dont even realise it but if I really stop and think my tone isnt saying try it this way, its saying my way is right just do what I want. He needs to start listening to you too and validate how you felt when you had PND and realise just how far you have come with very little help and you both need to compromise. If you cannot stand the real soul searching cries fine, but you could agree to work towards self settling and agree a time between you to leave her for a little while. My DD 2 will whinge a bit with the odd little cry when she settles. I would never leave her to sob but the half hearted crying I ignore and she often drops off fine. You could even try parenting classes.

Quartz2208 · 09/01/2019 20:54

Because at no point do you suggest that there is real and proper communication between the two of you

There are things you want to say but dont either because you dont want to hurt his feelings or upset him (when he clearly doesnt do the same for you) or you dont say because you know he wont listen

If you do he simply shuts you down

Now he is simply not talking or returning home to scare you into submission - you work and do the majority of the childcare and housework and it still isnt good enough

PookieDo · 09/01/2019 20:56

Do you actually like or love one another? Or just stuck with each other? All I see is you feeling unhappy

FrozenMargarita17 · 09/01/2019 21:41

@tootiredtospeak I wanted to go to some classes with him but he scoffed at those. He is like this in a lot of respects in that he will scoff at any help or any insinuation that he might not actually know something. It is a really bad trait to have and something I worry about because if we do go to counselling, I worry he will not work at it. This leads to the problem with if I tell him something he will take it as an insult but if someone else tells him he says oh that's what we should do, when I have told him whatever it is before.
He validated nothing about when I had PND. He insists it wasn't as bad as I say it was. In the beginning he tried to say it was just hormonal.
Dd has never been a good sleeper, but recently it's been the case of once she's down she's down. She settles in the night fine. If I have to sit with her for 20-30 minutes then I'll do it.
If you leave her, she becomes frantic and once she reaches that point it's game over.

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FrozenMargarita17 · 09/01/2019 21:42

You're right @Quartz2208 there is no proper communication. He has agreed to counselling and I want to do it with a view to improve communication and lay everything out.

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FrozenMargarita17 · 09/01/2019 21:42

@PookieDo I do love him. He says he loves me. But I sometimes wonder if it is meant to be.

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247mummsy · 09/01/2019 22:06

I really feel for you, but well done you for being brave enough to talk and overcome your pnd and bring up a lovey DC. As for your other half, he really needs to realise what you have been through. My ex husband was pretty useless, he didn’t do much with our son so I left him, I was so much happier on my own with my DS. I met another man (now fiancé) and we have a 3 month old, I haven’t suffered with PND but we have had some ups and downs, he’s never wrong, speaks to me like shit sometimes, he’s a good dad but it’s always ‘I work’ etc, ‘you’re at home all day’c He gets annoyed with me over silly things like the buggy is muddy from me taking the dog for a walk or I have ironed the wrong shirts, he’s not always like that but he can be quite horrible sometimes, I’ve thought of walking out, I’ve even said it numerous times and I know I could do it on my own all over again, no problem, but I’m not sure I want to do it a second time, just feel like I’ve failed a little bit. Maybe write down some pros and cons. If he’s like my fiancé he’ll think you’re the one in the wrong and it’s never his fault etc etc, then you can make up your mind, maybe best to spend some time at your mums, don’t worry about what he says, maybe it’ll make him realise if you did leave then that’s what it would be like, say you’ll only go back if he’s willing to change and if not you’re leaving, and mean it (if that’s what you want).

FrozenMargarita17 · 09/01/2019 22:18

@247mummsy thank you so much for your response. I really hope that in counselling he will listen to me and realise just how bad it was. Your fiancé sounds like he needs a bit of sense knocked in to him. I really hate the narrative that they work and you do absolutely sod all all day. So shitty.

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247mummsy · 10/01/2019 08:38

I know, funny though coz this morning while he was on the toilet for 20 mins I’d fed the baby, fed and let out the dog, changed baby,had a shower, ironed OH jeans and jumper and made him and his son breakfast and his lunch, pretty good considering I managed to get out the house with a 13 week old, 6 year old and a dog who I’m about to walk after school drop off, but I’m sure I’ll get a text saying why did I only pack him up 1 slice of toast this morning - we’ll thats coz I forgot to buy more bread yesterday!

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