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Managing relationships after someone else's divorce

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BlueAndWhiteTunica · 02/01/2019 15:31

Just curious about how other people have found their way through situations like this.

DBro and DSil were together for decades, since we were all teenagers. DSil and I are very close, like sisters (no other siblings for any of us). Our kids are great friends though we live far away (different countries) and they mostly see each other on FaceTime etc. We've all been through so much together, good times and bad. I am probably closer to DSil than DBro in terms of talking regularly, having shared in jokes and leaning on each other for support etc., but my brother is my brother. Our parents died young and we are all that's left of our close and happy family of origin.

DBro and DSil were both unhappy in their marriage for years. Lots of bickering, threats to divorce etc. They finally split a year ago which was a relief, I was glad for their son that the environment at home would be less tense and toxic. He's 15 and lives with now-ex-DSil, sees DBro very regularly and DBro pays maintenance etc. They're both good parents and talk to each other about DN but other than that things are still pretty acrimonious between them.

After the split, DBro moved on very quickly and within a couple of months was living with someone else. He seems so happy and says he's utterly in love with her etc. Ex-DSil sees DBro's new woman as OW and thinks it must have been going on before the split. DBro says he knew her through work and had feelings for her but never acted on them until after he and DSil agreed to split. Acknowledges that it was part of the decision for him though. Who knows the truth, its nothing to do with me.

What is to do with me is that I want to maintain a close family relationship with my ex DSil who is the aunt of my children and someone who has been a very dear friend and part of my close family for most of my life. DBro knows this and says he understands and would expect that we will remain close. But he wants me (now, a year after the split) to make an effort to know his new partner. I think this is fair enough. Recently I sent them a housewarming gift and a card wishing them well and saying I was looking forward to meeting her on our next visit etc. My DN must have mentioned having seen the card or the gift at his dad's house, because ex DSil is now livid with me over having sent it. Hurt, betrayed, suggesting I've gone behind her back, been two-faced etc. She feels I should have discussed it with her before starting to establish any relationship with the new partner. Maybe it was insensitive of me not to, I don't know. I try to avoid the whole subject with her and talk instead about the kids, work, politics, movies.. Anything else.

I'm trying to be a good sister to my DBro and think it's reasonable that he wants me to have some kind of a relationship with his new partner. I also want to maintain the closeness I've had for years with his ex, but she seems to have expected that I would shun the new partner out of loyalty to her, or continue to involve her in my relationship with DBro and his partner. I think they're two separate relationships now and I don't want to talk about either of them with the other.

Anyone been through similar and managed not to choose sides and stay friends with both parties? Should I have told ex-DSil that I was going to extend a gesture to the new partner?

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Hullabaloo31 · 02/01/2019 15:37

No advice but I feel your pain! Mine were BIL and SIL - my H's brother and his wife. It's caused no end of problems that I haven't shunned my (nealry ex) SIL, despite no-one actually doing anything awful in the marriage. If you find an answer, let me know!

BlueAndWhiteTunica · 02/01/2019 15:43

Hullabaloo, thanks for taking the time to read my much-too-long OP and commiserate with me. So weird how someone else's decisions and relationships can throw your own relationships up in a heap.

Hoping others will come along to give us the view from a few years down the line...

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 02/01/2019 16:15

Woah!

As calmly as you can tell her that your brother made no bones about you keeping her in your life. She has zero right to make any demands of you regarding your brother.

It will be impossible for you to maintain a relationship with your brother without acknowledging his new partner and ex sil should be able to process that.

If she can't then you have to feel sorry for her, and the children. She will be making her own life more stressful than it needs be.

WinterWendy · 02/01/2019 17:03

@Hullabaloo31 I hope you don't mind me asking but does your BIL have a new partner and if so, how do you feel about that?

Hullabaloo31 · 03/01/2019 09:08

Winterwendy, there's been a couple but no-one family has met yet. I'm hoping it will help tbh, as it might allow him to move on. I'll find it hard to be all lovely when he's been an arse about SIL's new partner, but will keep my mouth shut and be nice.

GloomyMonday · 03/01/2019 09:20

I think ex-sil was being a bit naive to expect you not to build some sort of relationship with your brother's new partner.

I can understand her hurt completely because I've been there. She's lost her husband and now must watch him move on with someone else. Watching you accept her must be very hurtful, like she's losing you too. She will imagine you all at family gatherings, with ow in the place that used to be hers.

To date she probably imagined you feeling reluctant about meeting her, grudgingly accepting her under duress. The wording of your card has revealed more enthusiasm than she had expected, and it has hurt her.

Nevertheless, you have done nothing wrong and sadly she must come to terms with it. By expecting anything else, she will only push you further away.

My ex's family have all maintained contact with me whilst also eventually accepting his ow. It hurts, but I understand that that's how it must be. Hopefully you will be able to explain it to your sil in a way that she can accept.

LemonTT · 03/01/2019 09:42

I am not sure there is any solution to this. If you SIL is angry about your DB’s relationship then she is going to see any small action by you as a betrayal. If you were simply a friend you could help her resolve and manage her anger. But you have other conflicted interests here, basically maintaining your relationship with your brother and DNs. So you are not an “honest broker” and can’t really help her.

I would be up front about this. Perhaps send an email in which you say you understand her anger at the situation and the hurt that you caused by sending the gift. Tell her how much you like her and value your friendship. Say that you want to maintain it. But explain that you love your brother as a sibling and want to remain in his life. For this reason you are compelled to accept this relationship. Say you are sorry that this may cause her hurt and hope that she can accept your decision because you value the friendship.

Then it is her decision. You will have to accept it.

I don’t hold out much hope. But it is worth a try. You might also want to be mindful of the position for your DN. I am sure they innocently mentioned the gift. But simply by using this information the SIL has put them in the middle of the ongoing acrimony. That’s probably the saddest bit of what I read.

hellsbellsmelons · 03/01/2019 10:47

You wrote the below and that outlines it perfectly.
Say this to her and see how it goes.
I'm trying to be a good sister to my DBro and think it's reasonable that he wants me to have some kind of a relationship with his new partner. I also want to maintain the closeness I've had for years with his ex, but she seems to have expected that I would shun the new partner out of loyalty to her, or continue to involve her in my relationship with DBro and his partner. I think they're two separate relationships now and I don't want to talk about either of them with the other

It's crap sometimes and as the cheated on party you do feel betrayed.
She needs to understand that life moves on.
Your DBro means a lot to you and that she needs to accept that you will be having a relationship with the new partner.
That's life.

BlaaBlaaBlaa · 03/01/2019 10:55

I was your DBro. I spilt up from my ex-husband and had moved in with my now DH within 3 months. My first marriage hadn't been a relationship for a very long time and in hindsight he treated me pretty badly - especially in the last 2 years of the marriage. Although it looked like I moved on very quickly in my head I'd been alone for a long time as an unhappy marriage is a very lonely place.

So many of our friends and some family snubbed me and accused me of cheating. It was very hurtful and hard to forgive as I did nothing wrong

BlueAndWhiteTunica · 03/01/2019 11:10

I really appreciate all the thoughtful replies. Plenty to mull over. Thanks for taking the time Flowers

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