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Ghosting a friend

28 replies

youtiny · 30/12/2018 16:57

Hi all,
I guess it's a reflective time of year. I'm trying to figure out what the best way to end a friendship is.
The rough story is, my best friend was a man. We'd been friends for a while, and at one point he was providing a lot of support as I had a serious family illness. We seemed to be getting closer and closer and
I was round at his all the time, and there were, I swear to god, mixed signals, so I bit the bullet and asked him out. He said no.
There were kind of a few problems after that - he embarked on a obsession which kind of had the side effect of making it tough for me to go over without also taking his hobby up. It was frankly hurtful.

He's since had a whirlwind marriage and baby with a woman whose name is depressingly similar to my own. I didn't get on with his new partner - I think she saw me as a threat and wanted me off the scene, and there were a load of microaggressions. I had a dying parent and although I thought about trying to make more of an effort with her, the few efforts I did make I got no thanks for and I ran out of energy.
I bought a present for the baby in a no hard feelings sort of way - it was born in the first half of the year - and I've avoided both of them ever since. I didn't attend their wedding. I don't see a way back from this, really. He's made his choice and committed, and I have to get on with my own life as best I can. I wish he'd picked a more likable woman (I'll accept I'm biased, but it rubs salt in the wound that she really doesn't seem like a good match), but I can only hope her problems are particular to me. But it is massively painful seeing him with a growing young family at the point I'm looking at never having kids myself (I'm 41), and have lost one parent and are likely to lose the other of another serious disease in the next few years. It's like constantly having the alternate reality waved in my face while I'm feeling like a total failure at families and he couldn't have done a better job of hurting me if he'd tried.
He still texts every so often and keeps inviting me to dinner. Needless to say, hell will freeze over. I turn all invites down politely. I really just want him to go away, and to know as little as possible of what is going on there for my own mental health, as the last thing I can afford is to get obsessed with whether he made a mistake. It won't help me now. I have the problem that there is also a large group of mutual friends. I don't want to drag anyone into anything, but it's awkward making arrangements when everybody assumes I'd want to include him (and he now tends to come with his new missus, who I really, really don't want to deal with).
So what do I do? I don't think this is so hard to figure out for him, but maybe it is. Do I write, explain, and just ask him to please go away for at least a few more years until I manage to get myself in a better place? I think he rather naievely thought he could stay friends with me in the same way despite his marriage to somebody who clearly doesn't like me. Do I just ghost him until he gives in? What do I tell mutual friends? I'm thinking about just saying I don't get on with his wife and would prefer not to deal with them. Or nothing? Any advice?

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ChippyPickledEggs · 30/12/2018 17:14

Well, you don't have to be friends with anyone you don't want to be. Equally, he hasn't done anything wrong. He's allowed not to want a relationship with you and to marry someone else. He's tried to keep the friendship going and show you that he values you enough to overcome any initial awkwardness and stay mates.

I imagine he will be hurt, although maybe he will also feel it's for the best - I don't know. But I think a brief explanation is better than ghosting him. Don't blame his wife - own your stuff and tell him you're struggling with the friendship due to your feelings for him and that you need to distance yourself, at least for the time being.

ElsieFookinTanner · 30/12/2018 17:34

Agree with prev poster.

I see the issue here as more yours than theirs. Your friend has made his choice and living his life, What you think about his wife and / or feel ultimately have no bearing on
his life. I know that sounds harsh but it is true. He has made his choices. You need to allow him and his wife to move forward in their new life together.

By all means spk to him briefly and tell him you why you are moving on
and then leave it there. Do it in the spirit of closing the book and not upsetting the Apple kart. If you spk to him with the intention of planting a seed and him leaving his wife to be with you, I think you will be disappointed.

With that in mind if you talk to him as a final goodbye you need to make it exactly that. He will understand.

Move on build a new life for yourself.

StealthPolarBear · 30/12/2018 17:37

"
The rough story is, my best friend was a man"
I was waiting for the bit about the sex change :o

WaitroseCoffeeCostaCup · 30/12/2018 17:43

Stealth me too!

youtiny · 30/12/2018 18:00

Agree it's my problem, largely: like I say, if I was in a better place myself, this wouldn't be such a thing. It's such bad timing. And part of the reason I want off the scene and have stayed off it is I really don't want to influence his marriage, which he has every right to. I suspect we were heading in different directions anyway: his wife just finalises things a bit in that if I liked her more it'd be easier to get over it, but you're right I think that I shouldn't mention that. I guess I'll just say I need him to leave me distance for a while, and he's the wrong person to help right now.

I wish he'd just had a sex change! That'd be easier to deal with!

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lollylocket · 30/12/2018 18:03

Please don't ghost him!!
I have been on the receiving end of this behaviour, and it is far worse knowing you were not worth an explanation.
I agree with previous PP's, speak/text explain that you can no longer see a future in your friendship, end it.
Don't divulge too much into not getting along with his wife - this might make you appear bitter/jealous. Keep that dignity intact!
Best of luck OP. I hope things improve for you, really take this as the time to get yourself in a 'good place'.

70sbaubles · 30/12/2018 18:05

Im sorry but the problem is you. You love him, its unrequited. You will subconsciously let off signs you dislike the wife and tbh, hes married. Her name has nothing to do with you. It is weird to expect the same level of closeness with friends of any sex once they are married with a baby on the way. You are giving this way too much thought, you are no longer good friends as hes moved on and you havent. You need to move on too, im sorry x

Cobblersandhogwash · 30/12/2018 18:07

Can't you just block him? And then it's easy to ignore him. If that's what you really want.

But are you sure it's not more a case of you wanting him to chase and protest and proclaim total friendship and more forever?

It's not hard to lose contact with someone.

70sbaubles · 30/12/2018 18:14

I think op sees the relationship through the lens of him and her as itcwas, and that the wife is wrong for him, she would be better, it was too quick, she covers this as concern for him. The reality is he is married with a child. The wife isnt going anywhere, and op longing for her to disappear so she can have that close space with him is not helping her at all. If anything I suspect the friends offers of dinner are polite as much as anything, the distance was created after he turned op down, before the wife. The wife is a reminder of that rejection, made worse as op doesnt like her, probably justified.
I dont see a way for the friendship to continue, and dont believe ghosting would be awful as it is a fizzle out at this stage rather than a statement. I do believe however that op is hoping for him to react to no contact with a gushing expeession of his feelings for her, abd that wont happen.
We have all experienced stuff like this, it is horrible but will get better when you accept reality x

WhatOnEarthDoIDoNow · 30/12/2018 18:19

Ghosting is a shitty thing to do. One of my friends is currently doing this to me but I know it's because he's overwhelmed with christmas and being at home (he has a difficult family relationship) and according to his sister he is also currently freaking out because he likes me and can't process it which is fair but annoying because I enjoy talking to him.

ImNotKitten · 30/12/2018 18:20

I think you need to block him for your own sake. If you tell him you need space for a few years, and he just says ok, can your self esteem handle the rejection? Be proactive instead of reactive, it will empower you.

youtiny · 30/12/2018 18:25

I have been turning down all invites for over a year, short of one new baby visit! I'm still getting them. I don't want them. They aren't helping my hang ups. That's the point. I accept this didn't go my way and isn't going to. It still hurts, but that's life, I'll live and believe me I am trying to move on. I don't want to be the bad guy here. If you have any actual advice on moving on, go for it.

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Trippedupagain · 30/12/2018 18:33

I do feel for you, OP, this must be so difficult. I think you need to either tell him very briefly why you don't want to see him, or you will need to get used to seeing him and talking to him until eventually it feels okay. The mutual friends are a problem as well, I can see that. It sounds as if they aren't quite good enough or close enough friends for you to tell them any of this, because I know most people would straightaway understand and not want to make you uncomfortable. But if they don't know, they can't help. Is there one person you could tell perhaps, just so there is someone in your camp to help?

Lookatyourwatchnow · 30/12/2018 18:36

You can hardly blame his wife for not being your biggest fan, can you? Nobody would want someone who is in love with their partner hanging around but it sounds like she has been pretty mature about the situation as you are still getting invited round.

You need to own this problem OP without blaming the man or his wife, and move on with your life in another direction.

ElsieFookinTanner · 30/12/2018 18:39

@youtiny lovely, just send him a short sincere msg ( writing things down is easier sometimes). Pls don't mention his wife at all as you may risk damaging your friendship for ever. Just explain that tomorrow is the start of new year for you and while you love him as a dear friend , you now need to focus on you ,moving into 2019. You wish him and his family all the very best and wish them well.
If he's an intelligent man he will will understand what you mean and what you need. Then if you find it easier you can block him having left it all on good terms.

Have a little cry to yourself and mourn what has gone and wake up on Tuesday morning with a new positive outlook and start living your life for you. It's the dawn of a new year so what better time to do this.

It may seem an impossible feat today but you will be fine, I promise you that. This week and all the others ahead are full of brand new days for you to get out there and enjoy yourself. You can do this gracefully and you will heal. x

Doobee · 30/12/2018 18:45

Don’t ghost but don’t go OTT with emotional explanations. You still might see them in mutual friend social groups so you want to avoid any awkwardness. You run the risk of alienating your entire group of friends right now. If it was me, I’d wait until he directly sent another invite. Don’t be proactive. If/when he sends any invites I’d respond “hi, thanks for the invite but I’m a no. Actually, I’d rather you stopped inviting me to anything from now on. I’m having a hard time with my parent dying and lots of tricky family shit and it’s just too hard seeing your happy/growing/perfect family stuff. Happy for you etc but I need to not have my face in other peoples happy family stuff right now. Cheers and all the best to you and yours” then just leave it. Don’t respond to any follow ups. Hide his profile on everything and do not engage. If anybody talks about them discreetly change the subject or just go “sure. Anyone fancy another drink” disengage and divert. Then if you see them out you just do cheery wave, smile “hi” and then make early exit. I’d also suggest you think about getting yourself out there to meet somebody else and expand your social life. Start dating. You need to move past this guy.

70sbaubles · 30/12/2018 18:52

In which case OP, I'd send a generic looking but personally written text on New Year's Eve saying similar to above: 'I'm so happy your family is growing, I'm going to focus on my own in the New Year so wish you all the best for the future' xx
That's enough. It isn't awkward. Then if he invites again, then ignore.
I'm sorry it is hard, I've been there and it's head messing.

Bellendejour · 30/12/2018 21:31

I think people are just trying to get you to see other possible narratives re their relationship, the wife, your relationship with your friend as this will ultimately help you free yourself from it all (at the moment you sound quite stuck even though it’s clearly been some time since you revealed your feelings to him and now). This is important to help you properly move on, process and get yourself into a happier place.

Re the friend I agree with PPs saying to text saying you just want to focus on you/your family for a while and you’ll get in touch going forward, take care etc. He’ll get the subtext. Then I think you need to manage your social life around this - so yes, perhaps you’ll spend a bit more time doing your own thing, perhaps pursue some interests separate from the group to take up time/make new friends, or take control eg have people to yours for dinner where you can control the invite list.

Give yourself the time and space to get over this and find your own happiness, whatever that looks like.

41 is not that old - I’m 41 and pregnant with my first!

Good luck Flowers

MaeveDidIt · 30/12/2018 22:02

Ghosting a friend is cowardly and very cruel.
He hasn't done anything wrong.
Why not be honest and genuine and tell him why you want to end the friendship.

(Fwiw, his wife isn't unique a lot of people in her situation would see you as a threat).

youtiny · 30/12/2018 23:13

Yeah, I was hoping I could just sort of drift off - as somebody said, with a new wife and baby I'd expect his social circle to reconfigure anyway. I have been off doing other things, but all this somehow comes back up when he texts and I've been clinging on more than I realized. I think people are right, I need to draw an explicit line under it so he lets me go. Not easy with an old mate in hard times anyway, but I need to get my head out of this. I'll take the excellent advice on a text message. Thanks all.

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70sbaubles · 31/12/2018 07:36

Good luck op xx

troubleswillbeoutofsight · 31/12/2018 07:51

'Contact with you isn't the best thing for me right now. I'm sure we'll bump into each other at some stage but, for now, wishing you all a very Happy New year and all the very best for the future'

YetAnotherThing · 31/12/2018 08:00

Was also waiting for the sex change! You’ve had good advice here OP. I wish you a peaceful 2019

GodknowsIwanttobreakfree · 31/12/2018 08:07

I had a male friend who I didn’t want to see any more and I stopped contact and just replied politely if he contacted me but never responded to plans to meet up. It took two years and we don’t have any contact any more apart from the occasional meet in a big group where we will just say a civil hello, how are you?

Looking back maybe it would have been easier to have done what pps are suggesting which is a short polite message saying you are moving on and then no response if he contacts you again or even block him.

2019me · 31/12/2018 08:29

I was in a similar position so totally understand and you have my full sympathies as I know how painful this is.

I ended up telling him I didn’t want to be in touch and owning my feelings, saying that I still had feelings and that because of those feelings remaining in touch with him was holding me back. I then said I wished him all the best but that I’d prefer not to be in touch outside of mutual friends’ events.

It was hard but I felt a weight off my shoulders pretty much right away