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Emotional abuse - how do you identify?

19 replies

tiggerbounces7 · 29/12/2018 21:31

Hi, I don't know where to start really but am feeling miserable and desperate, heart racing, sick feeling in my stomach and a realisation dawning that I might be in an abusive relationship but a really really subtle one. I have no idea how to identify it, and I feel like Im going slightly crazy. Its not overt, he's not hitting me or being controlling in the classic ways, Ive looked up online the identifiers for EA but cant seem to fit this into the most common ones, but I still feel miserable and it feels like its wrong so I think it must be, and if it is, I dont know what to do...
We've been together 10 years, we're not married, we have two children, one 5 years one 9 months old. He hasn't slept in the bedroom for 8 years.... Its become so 'normal' that I dont bother saying anything much anymore because when I do, he just loses it and tells me its my fault. He sleeps on the sofabed. Our son calls the sitting room "dads bedroom", its weird. The baby was conceived through IVF before you wonder, our son was natural but a one hit wonder and not sharing a bed, we were "trying".

This Christmas has been terrible, he's been horrible non-stop, in subtle, niggling ways, its never ending, anything I say to the children, or him, or about anything, I'm either nagging, or Im wrong, or Im being too this, or too that, its endless. As soon as the children are asleep he runs the bath and lies in there for an hour and a half watching stuff on his phone, I walked in one night and he looked sort of panicked like Id caught him doing something. When I came out of hospital with the baby I asked to borrow his ipad as I was up at night breastfeeding and he didn't even bother to close porn pages and when I looked back at the history he has been accessing porn even when I gave birth and after...

Its been a really tough week, its been going on for more than a month this behaviour this time, but he's ramped it up this Christmas. We don't have much family so its just been us, and his sister and her kids on Boxing Day so there hasn't been anything to dilute it either. Im feeling so lonely, and lost, no idea what to do with two kids, no family, no home, and no money, Im retraining at the moment too so can't get a job that will cover costs and kids and living if I do it on my own.
I have cried a couple of times in front of him, in the morning, after Ive had to wake up in the night for the baby, (he never does because he sleeps downstairs). And so I've been tired. He said I was "emotionalising" the situation and that my reaction was "Disproportionate to the situation" and "way out of order", I wasn't hysterical, just suddenly exhausted and overwhelmed by the constant meaness and lack of kindness, and just had tears, a few, I wasn't hyperventilating or anything, just sad, and lonely. He said this in front of our children, and obviously the 5 year old is watching and listening. He comforted me, and said "I love you mummy" but my partner just sort of huffed and walked off and said I was ridiculous.

He does stuff like this all the time, my mum died 8 years ago and the anniversary is just before Christmas, he has forgotten every year for the last 6...its like he does it on purpose, and then when I mention it he gets really angry. He did this this morning, he came in to the bedroom as I called him to take the baby so I could use the bathroom and he accidentally sat really hard on the side of my leg on my knee and it really hurt, when I cried out he just got really angry and lost it, and that then set the tone for the rest of the day...and Im having to walk on eggshells.

There's so much more, like he always talks over me when i try to say something about how hes being, he loves to say im ridiculous, or being ridiculous and that i 'emotionalise' situations (I havent heard someone use this phrase before), and hes always saying Im yelling, when Im definitely not, seems to be a change in tone that he's talking about, and hes constantly saying Im arguing or starting an argument when Im just asking him something, or to do something, or help, its non-stop. I look at the situations and really try and think and I just cant see that I am doing any of these things, I feel like Im going crazy though as he's saying it all the time. Has anyone else had experience of this, sometimes I wonder if hes autistic because he can literally just look at me if Im upset (pregancny hormones, when I nearly lost the baby, when I had an ectopic pregnancy, when my mum died, when my dad died a few years ago), theres no emotion at all, nothing. Then other times its almost like Im being put in the position of being a mum too a difficult sulking teenager, he wont take responsibility for anything. And definitely not the way he treats me, he says im making it up. Every now and again he will be 'nice' and give me a card and presents and say how much he appreciates me, but its usually after a long bout of this current behaviour... This year when we were on holiday he gave me an engagement ring, on our 10 year anniversary, drank a bottle of wine, got argumentative and not very nice and sort of touchy and made out Id done something to upset him and then went to bed in a huff on the top bunk of our sons bed. I was like WTF just happened? Please tell me this is not normal!
Has anyone else had this experience? Sorry for the splurge, thanks. xx

OP posts:
CottonTailRabbit · 29/12/2018 21:37

Does the abusive label matter? He is being a total dickhead all the bloody time. Is that not enough for you to feel you can kick him to the kerb?

looondonn · 29/12/2018 21:40

He is a bastard
Run a mile

Def abusive
On many levels

Cassie85 · 29/12/2018 21:42

He's a bastard and he's gaslighting you. If you're not familiar with the term, google it and see how many examples fit your situation.

You deserve better than this.

MattBerrysHair · 29/12/2018 21:42

Op, it's not subtle abuse, it's actually quite overt. He belittles you, gaslight you, ignores you. You're an emotional punchbag and not a human in your own right he feels entitled to treat you this way and you have to accept it like a good little woman.

He won't change. Do the online Freedom programme course, it's £12.00 and worth every penny. Then think about getting a plan sorted to leave him. Nobody deserves thus treatment.

Babdoc · 29/12/2018 21:43

OP, I’m wondering what on Earth is in this relationship for you? What possible joy or love does this knobhead bring to your daily life?
What are your reasons for staying with someone who clearly makes you thoroughly miserable?
Please think hard about whether you’d be a lot happier without him.

tiggerbounces7 · 29/12/2018 21:48

I'm currently financially reliant on him, we live in rented accommodation too. Though he's considering buying soon. I dont have any family and no friends locally I could just stay with with 2 kids. We've only lived back in the UK for a few years, before that 4 years in his country where I was very isolated too. He's not someone who has friends, he is one of 8 children and his family were his firends there. His dad died and the family imploded and his been particuarly bad ever since. I decided to orchestrate the move back to the UK under advice from a counsellor and spent 6 months here alone with our son as it took him that long to find a job and sort out his dads stuff. I understand he was grieving so gave him the space, but looking back I think he was just ducking responsibility whilst I sorted out all the admin of moving countries again.

My main question I guess is, getting my ducks in a row, should I wait for him to buy a house, and perhaps if we're not married I could still be able to live in it with the kids...
I do all the house stuff, pay bills, clean, cook, shop, I did work last year as well as studying a masters and looking after our son, I know study, look after baby and our son and house etc. Partner works but nothing else, the odd drop off at school and after school club pick up. I do the rest, planning our life, social life, holidays etc etc.

OP posts:
jessstan2 · 29/12/2018 21:50

He's awful! I do not understand why you had a second child with that man, especially the lengths you went to to have one.

Get out of this relationship, it's ruining your health.

LaughingCow99 · 29/12/2018 21:51

Here:

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MrsJane · 29/12/2018 21:56

It's not even subtle... he sounds awful Sad

The important thing is that you can see it and know it's not ok.

You need to leave as soon as possible. I don't have any practical advice but I'm sure there are lots of mnetters who have.

Good luck OP Thanks

CottonTailRabbit · 29/12/2018 21:57

If you are not married you will have no rights to the mortgaged property, same as rented.

Find out how much child maintenance he'd have to pay if you split up and what benefits you'd be entitled to. Have you looked at rental properties you could afford on your own wage alone plus CMS and benefits?

tiggerbounces7 · 29/12/2018 22:00

If you were to meet this guy he's like the nicest, most personable, friendly guy, you wouldn't believe he was like this. Hes not a manly man either so hes quite short, not loud, or sporty or anything like that, doesnt drink pints, just wine and spirits, you know what I mean, doesnt like football etc etc. I know thats all the cliches but its why I feel like im going crazy. Has anyone else had this experience. How do you leave if you have no family, no money, no job...

OP posts:
looondonn · 29/12/2018 22:02

You leave

Go to Womans aid
Ask for help

My ex came across as being the finest gentleman ever

Turns out he tried to kill his ex wife and me

Leave there are ways of doing so
He is an utter piece of crap

SanitysSake · 30/12/2018 03:40

I know EXACTLY what you're talking about. I am in EXACTLY the same position as you.

I have no answer, as I am massively torn myself.

My heart goes out to you, as it is truly sh*t.

Just throwing out a hand-hold. x

Dieu · 31/12/2018 12:19

I wish people wouldn't say retrospective shite like 'I don't know why you had a second child with this man'. It is so fucking unhelpful and annoying.

OP, I really really felt for you, reading your post. You sound so alone. I would echo the others in what they are saying, and that is that your partner is abusive.

Women's Aid would be a good start. Please come back and tell us how you're doing x

tiggerbounces7 · 01/01/2019 22:28

Thank you for the kind responses. I'll try and not focus on the ones that aren't. Guess some people like to kick you when you're down. Happy New Year. x

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EKGEMS · 02/01/2019 14:36

Is a refuge a possibility to try OP? Perhaps you can get emergency housing via your council? I'd say he's verbally and emotionally abusive and now physically abusive. He's a disgusting excuse for a human being.

Dullardmullard · 02/01/2019 16:02

is the rented house in his name or yours or both

if both get the landlord to evict both of you. then get the house in your name. call woman's aid for advice and the police.

If in his leave go to a refuge with the kids do not tell him this just leave as they are at their most dangerous when you do leave.

hellsbellsmelons · 02/01/2019 16:11

This is awful for you.
What a horrible way for you and your DC to live.
Please don't keep exposing them to this toxic, abusive man.
Call Womens Aid and have a chat with them.
Keep trying. It is their busiest time of year.
Main number is 0808 2000 247 or you can google you more local one.
But you need to get away from this.
He's sucking the life out of you.
You deserve so much better.
Do you have family anywhere else?
Could you go back home?

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