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Is he an narcissist?

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Olly2002 · 24/12/2018 22:35

I have been in a relationship for about 8 years with a man I now believe to be a narcissist.
When I met him he was married but he made it clear he was interested. I knew a lot of his family and had been best friends with 2 of his nieces (1 was daughter of his brother and the other daughter of his sister).
He is a builder and I employed him to do some work on my house at the time. He was very charming, funny and we got on well.
I had heard from my friends that his marriage was not good and I thought that it was his choice if he wanted to leave his marriage. I told him that if we were to have a relationship he would need to be honest with his wife and leave.
His wife found out that something was going on when someone saw us being close in public. When he found out he seemed to totally blame the person who saw us rather than taking responsibility for his actions. I felt this was strange but let it go as he was being so nice and loving.
From then things became more difficult as he had left his wife and was staying with me. He would repeat the cycle of going back to try and make things work and then when they didn't, after a few days or weeks, he would return to me telling me how he couldn't make his marriage work as he loved me and wanted to be with me. I felt guilty for destroying his marriage and felt that I loved him so I accepted him back. From the beginning he was very interested in property and money and told me that he couldn't live in my house which was a small 2 bed terrace (not in the best area). He had built his own bungalow and also had a rental property.
Once he was with me on a more permanent basis I felt that he should contribute to the running costs of the home however he would say things like ' its your house and you'd have to pay them anyway' or I am still paying the council tax on the bungalow. His two properties were paid off according to him so he had minimal bills and a rental income. He would also tell me that people believed I was after him for money. This made me feel reluctant to take anything from him. He would also say that he felt that he was taking money from his children. They were 18 and 14 when we met and are now 26 and 22.
If i insisted on him paying something then he would say I can't afford it and would say 'ill go then' and would go around to family members and turn them against me by telling them I had chucked him out. He even used to go back to the marital home and stay there which he now denies despite the fact that I know 100% thats what he did.
When he had had enough of where he was he would come back to me telling me he loved me and how difficult this all was for him and how its ok for me as Im not losing my kids, home, wife. He did not seem to understand how upsetting it was for me each time he would go or how I would take him back as felt responsible for his predicament.
He would say things like 'I have issues with money from childhood as we ere poor' and other excuses. He was always working however (self employed builder) would deny that he had learnt much money. He was happy for me as a single mother to pay for all the bills and even the food.
When I bought a new house he did do some building work. I bought the materials and we both worked together to do the work. He would use this against me if I asked for a contribution to the monthly bills. This confused me as he had worked hard but so had I and he was benefiting from living in a nicer home.
When i inherited 70k he encouraged me to move to a better house in a better area saying he would help renovate it which he did. Again we both worked on the property which took about 6 months to do. I again continued to pay for all the moving costs, materials and housing bills however the house met his needs more than mine as it had a large garage for his tools and a driveway for his van. I did not have a car so could have stayed in my previous home quite happily and paid off the mortgage. He convinced me to get a better house as it suited him.
In addition to money issues he would also seem uncaring about my feelings. At times I felt depressed and lonely as my relationships with others were suffering. I would tell him I would like friends and he would say ' its normal to just have each other'. W
When my best friend, his niece, returned from working abroad and we rekindled our friendship and wanted to do stuff we had always enjoyed such as swimming, yoga, meditation or even walking he would make comments such as 'why do you want to go swimming, is it to look at men'. He was even unhappy when I got a dog and took it for walks. He told me that I could meet someone whilst walking the dog as I am a chatty person.
My friend and I invited him out with us however he always seemed moody and told me he thought our relationship was suffering since the return of my friend. He also said that because she is single she will be looking for a man when we are out. He was very adamant about this and even went around making up stories like we had booked a weekend away without telling him. This was totally untrue and he later denied saying it.
Things got worse and we had a few arguments. Each time he would pack up and leave. It always upset me that he wouldn't divorce and sort out his finances however if I pushed him into it I was labelled the money grabbing bitch. If he went then I had 'chucked him out'.
Anyway about ten days ago he said he would go andI asked if he would be back like usual. He said no so I asked for the key. I have blocked him after telling him it is totally over. I have ignored him when he knocks on the door and feel I am at a point where I have realised what he is. A narcissist who cannot change.
He is now telling everyone I chucked him out and have made him homeless and how I should let him back in. I have heard that he thinks he should be paid for the work he did on the house (despite living without paying anything for 9 years and saving at least 70k in wages during that time).
I don't feel that I owe him anything despite initially saying that I would give him some money should I sell the property. Since waking up to his narcissism I feel that he should just go and sort his own life out. Between him and his wife they have enough money for them both to live comfortably. I still have a mortgage and a 16 year old to bring up whilst working in a low paid job.
Does anyone have any experience of this type of thing?
Hope this all makes sense
x

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Olly2002 · 24/12/2018 22:47

He is also turning his sister against her own daughter (my friend) and spreading rumours that it is all her fault that we have spilt up. She has seen through him and is supporting me so has has turned against her. He cannot accept that we are splitting up because of our dysfunctional relationship. However I understand this is a classic narcassistic type response!!

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Travisandthemonkey · 24/12/2018 22:50

I think you have to really examine in yourself why you allowed this man to have this power over your life. Going back and fire between you and another woman. Never truly loving you.
Why do you think you were worth so little.

He may well be a narc. But narcs don’t get into the lives of people with solid safe boundaries. They prey on people who are vulnerable

Travisandthemonkey · 24/12/2018 22:51

Also keep him blocked and ignore any contact at all.

CrazySheepLady · 24/12/2018 22:56

He sounds like an absolute freeloader. Please don't let him back in your house or your life.

Olly2002 · 24/12/2018 23:04

I believe now that they prey on caring empathetic people which I would consider myself to be. I am clearly rubbish at putting any boundaries in place and was a total walkover who got involved with this man and then felt responsible for his happiness and also listened to his utter bullshit. I am totally confident now that I don't want him. Im just wondering what he is capable of. He is talking of going to a solicitor to get money from me but I don't think he has a leg to stand on as he wouldn't even remove himself from the electoral role on his marital property in case he lost any rights to it.
Today i heard from my mum that he has been to my aunties and given her flowers. He has done some building work for her this year. This is very out of character and he used to complain when an accountant friend used to take flowers to my auntie. He used to say he was trying to get on he good side to get money from her as she is older and disabled.

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Travisandthemonkey · 24/12/2018 23:07

You have to block him from everything and tell everyone you know never to mention him again to you.

Olly2002 · 24/12/2018 23:09

Thats good advice thanks. I will do that

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lifebegins50 · 24/12/2018 23:13

Are you a similar age?
He sounds toxic and you are well rid. How has your son coped with this loser, coming and going.

I doubt he has any chance of recovering the money unless there is a chance you documented it.
He was a married man when you met him and that was the first red flag. He may try to hoover you back so have firm boundaries and if he intimidates you make sure he knows you will call the police.

Olly2002 · 24/12/2018 23:22

I sent a message to him through my mum to tell him to stop knocking or I will call the police.
He is 16 years older than me
My son has coped ok as we don't argue infant of my son and when he used to go in between my son was a lot younger and I would just say he was working away. In fact I was constantly trying to see things from his side.
My son has said now, when asked, that he is not bothered if he is here or not. He never went out of his way for my son but my son is very happy and independent and has spent much of his life in the skatepark with his friends so I think he is ok. He has no behavioural issues and has passed all his exams and now in college doing engineering

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Frankswife87 · 24/12/2018 23:45

If he keeps trying to Bill you for the renovations send him a bill for him living rent free for all those years and see how quick he back peddles. He will never change op stick to your guns, he may promise you things or be nice and 'changed' but it's only temporary. Best of look op see the light and start living your life again Flowers

Olly2002 · 25/12/2018 07:33

Thanks. Thats what i have been thinking of doing and I would often bring that up in an argument. I have actually worked out how much I have spent on bills etc over 8 years and it comes to a lot more than what I would have had to pay for the renovations. Apparently his niece told me, through the grapevine, that he has said i should calculate the fact that he worked late into the evening renovating. He seems to forget that I did too. Just before we split up we were looking to buy another renovation which I wanted him to be a part of (ie contribute to and have name on). He would not put name on as it would have meant paying the additional stamp duty. He said that he would pay for the cost of renovation and do the work and then we could sort out the finances later when he was divorced. Luckily the house was unmortgageable and we couldn't go ahead (the univverse was working in my favour). I was taking all the risk buying a dump and then relying on him to meet the cost of renovation. I was wary given his track record with spending money and would have totally been at his mercy and then more indebted to him (in his eyes) The house we looked at could have been amazing and would have made him feel more important as his only interest is money and property.
I have started living again. My friend and I have started going to salsa dancing. That was part of his problem to. I was even feeling afraid to go there even though we did not drink or dress up and one class was Sunday afternoon whilst he saw his grown up children.
The night which kicked everything off was when I got in at 7.30pm instead of around 6.30pm. We had been to collect my friends daughter from the cinema on way home.
When I got home he was moody and said ' how long does the dancing go on' in a moody tone. I asked him to stop being moody but he denied being in a mood. i then removed myself from him and went upstairs and watched TV in bed.
Never knew about narcissism but once i discovered the traits i finally realised that he does not think like other people. He will happily use and abuse others for his benefit and see no wrong and then even lie about it. Thank god I am now free.
i am even continuing to sell my house and am hoping to move to a smaller property and be mortgage free. I don't need a driveway, garage and large garden. A nice victorian terrace will do me and my son. I can make it nice and then not have to worry about losing it if I was to loose my job or anything. I actually an feeling positive and am not even thinking about what he is doing, Thats his issue. I don't even want to talk about him to people who know him as I don't want to hear that he is suffering as that could potentially end up in me feeling sorry for him.I need to feel sorry for myself and look after myself now and know im worth a good life.
Sorry for going on but its therapeutic and nice to hear peoples views

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pissedonatrain · 25/12/2018 08:10

You wasted 9 years on a using cocklodger.

He won't be suffering as he'll lay his sad story on some other gullible woman.

First thing would be to never get involved with married men no matter what you hear about their marriage. None of this would have happened if you followed that simple rule.

Beaverhausen · 25/12/2018 08:18

With all due respect OP glad you finally saw the light but that age old saying... you reap what you sow.

Olly2002 · 25/12/2018 08:18

I realise that now and have learnt a big lesson from all this. I am not even interested in a relationship now. I was happily single bringing up my son before he came along. Now i know I won't go near any married man or anyone in a relationship for that matter. I was naive and gullible and never realised the long lasting consequences. But i truly believe that these things happen to us to teach us. I had a lot to learn before I was ready to move on and get rid os this man once and for all.
Now on to a new stage. Hopefully I won't have anymore difficult lessons to learn for a while

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Olly2002 · 25/12/2018 08:22

you certainly do reap what you sow. Totally agree. I am fully responsible for letting this man into my life and all the ensuing chaos and hurt. He will probably end up going back to his wife and giving her a sob story about how he could never get divorced as he never wanted to take from her and how he is now homeless. His wife is an alcoholic and very vulnerable so I am concerned for her welfare but I suppose thats not my problem anymore. They will have to work things out themselves

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Armchairanarchist · 25/12/2018 08:39

He's always been consistent in being a dick. I wonder what his wife thinks?

LemonTT · 25/12/2018 09:02

Well my thoughts are why does it take the realisation that he might be a narc for you to realise this man is a wrong’un. He cheated on his wife, he cheated on you with his wife, he lied, he repeated walked out and he used you. Based on all this you picked him time and time again. Happily causing pain to his wife and children and probably to your child. It took a diagnosis for the penny to drop ? Otherwise you were all ok with this & his bullshit ?

As to the money, you have and you continue to be very silly and the more you say the worse it gets. Stop acknowledging he did work on the house at all. Stop acknowledging this was or was going to be a business arrangement. Don’t say the work had value and don’t post about it on the internet. It doesn’t matter whether he owns other homes or you allowed him to live rent free for years. That was a domestic arrangement you accepted and it’s not even that unusual.

The issue is whether you and he agreed to develop this house as an investment , with his work being his contribution. That is a business agreement. A business you acknowledge you were engaged in with him. To the point you were going to buy another. A business in which you provided capital and he provided labour as a professional builder. Probably trading under a company name. See a solicitor and don’t take advice off the internet.

Olly2002 · 25/12/2018 09:02

Think his wife is messed up in head. Probably from living with him for 25 years before he met me. I think she would take him back just to prove that she has won however am sure she will never ever trust the man as he definitely can't be trusted.
Once he agreed to meet me and then he told me he was going to see his brother who was dying of brain cancer. He lied to me and was in the pub. I went to the pub and he was happily drinking with his friend. I can't believe I put up with it. What a fool. He is such a liar. He then would twist it saying I couldn't tell you as you would have gone mad. Turning it around to make me believe I was the mad one

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Olly2002 · 25/12/2018 09:11

Lemon TT. Thanks for your comments.
My point is that I never understood how narcasistic people can twist things to make you feel that you are the unreasonable one. Yes deep down I knew that things were not right but it was a very difficult situation for me. Obviously it was for the other people involved to. I acknowledge that and thats life. I can only know how things were from my perspective.
I have come to this forum to try and understand from other people who may have experienced similar things when they have been involved in relationships like these.
I have already contacted a solicitor and will make sure anything I do is done legally.

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Notacluethisxmas · 25/12/2018 09:14

Caring and empathetic people don't carry on with other people's husbands.

He sounds like a cock lodging dick. But you knew he was a shithead when he made a move on you while with his wife.

Don't worry about what label to give him. Move on. Try and forgive yourself for what happened. Seek more help and support so you don't go back.

Olly2002 · 25/12/2018 09:21

I made a massive mistake and yes I am totally responsible for my part in this. I naively thought that if a relationship wasn't working then (ie his marriage) then it was best he walked away if he wanted to. I had previously been in unhappy relationships. My sons dad was an alcoholic and when I had my son I knew that i could not stay with him as if I wasn't happy then I couldn't make my son happy. Maybe I was projecting my situation onto this new relationship as I believed that he may be better away from his wife

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Olly2002 · 25/12/2018 09:24

Leaving his wife was his decision, not mine. He went back in the early days of our relationship to 'try and make it work'. I shouldn't have accepted him back but I did and i can't change that now.
I am ready now to move on and forgive myself for my part in all this.

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Notacluethisxmas · 25/12/2018 09:25

Of course he should have left an unhappy relationship. But that doesn't mean he needed to leave for you. That didn't mean you needed to start something, Even if just emotional (you aren't clear if you were physical before he left). One doesn't equal the other.

And it's a little bit narcissistic to assume he would be a better and happier person, if he was with you and not her.

His relationship should have ended. That didn't mean you needed to do what you did

But again, don't beat yourself up forever over it. It's done. Move on. Don't make this mistake again. Flowers

Haffiana · 25/12/2018 09:25

Nothing that you have written says he is a narcissist. He is just an extremely unpleasant fuckwit of a man.

The real issue is you and your boundaries. Right from the start you allowed him to treat you like shit. It doen't matter at all why he did this, but it really matters that you let him and didn't simply dump him.

You describe over and over that you asked or referred to him when you had any doubts about what was happening in your relationship.

It won't help you avoid another abusive relationship in the future if you try to label him 'narcissist' with the implication that he had some sort of superpower over you and that you were just the victim of this. Have you heard of the Freedom Program? It might really help you understand your own boundaries and how to keep them strong.

Olly2002 · 25/12/2018 09:29

I didn't assume he would be happier with me than her. I just went with what was happening at the time.
Yes i agree he should of left as he was unhappy not because of me but thats not what happened and I can't change that now.
We were friends before he left and we had become close emotionally.

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