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Boyfriend’s ex partners

35 replies

Porgie9 · 17/12/2018 23:55

My boyfriend has slept with around 5 girls that are still his friends. He expects me to include them in the group and get quite close with them. I know it is in the past but it’s not something I am comfortable with being so close to them. What do you guys think?

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SandyY2K · 18/12/2018 00:00

If it was me... he would be my Ex BF... or perhaps he'd like all your Ex BFs as part of the group too.

Absolute nonsense.

mogratpineapple · 18/12/2018 00:01

Met these sorts before. It's like a kind of harem, always a friendly ear/shoulder/bed. A whole bunch of fall-back girls. When he feels a bit horny there's always someone in his little black book to call on.

Tell him you are uncomfortable with it. He probably won't disassociate with them, that's his choice, and he'll probably make out that you're not a cool girl or some other phrase.

A bit bitter as my daughter has been dumped by someone like this and 6 months later he just pops up and says oh I've got tickets for a gig with a hotel...

If this arrangement is not for you you will have to move on I'm afraid.

orchidsundertrees · 18/12/2018 00:07

So it's impossible for a man to stay friends with his ex? A bit narrow minded.

ComtesseDeSpair · 18/12/2018 00:08

If you don’t like it you don’t like it. Tell him what you’ve said here, that it makes you feel uncomfortable, you’re not interested in being good friends with his ex girlfriends, and will need to call it a day if he can’t accept that. It wouldn’t bother me, I have a large social circle and most of the people in it have slept with many of the others in some combination: but we all have different boundaries and you don’t need to alter or justify yours.

twattymctwatterson · 18/12/2018 00:10

Is he Simon Cowell? If you're not on board with him being friendly with ex's then end it.

Porgie9 · 18/12/2018 00:10

Thanks for the advice!
So my best friend actually has slept with my boyfriend before and we are very close. However as the months go on more and more girls appear. My boyfriend also failed to tell me he has slept with a girl that we stayed in a room with! Her and her boyfriend and me and my boyfriend - is that right?

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MistressDeeCee · 18/12/2018 00:11

Oh..one of those. I had this with my ex, we argued and argued about it for such a long time. Then one day, I just decided to stop. Told him bye bye.

He gave me grief for ages, no doubt offended that didn't want to hang around and be gaslighted by his insistence to keep these women dangling. For all I know he is still cultivating his harem of exes and I couldn't care less.

Do yourself a favour OP and move on. When a man craves to validate himself via attention from women, finds ways to insert himself into their lives so they can't truly move on from him, there's no way you can get him to stop.

He loves the game , but you don't have to let him play you. Life is just too short, there are better men out there.

Armchairanarchist · 18/12/2018 00:15

My best friend is an ex. I've been happily married for twenty three years and DH and ex get on fantastically, even going on nights out without me.

mogratpineapple · 18/12/2018 01:12

The OP is referring to this guy who is friends with a number of exes, not just one. That is the difference.

ohiamsodamntired · 18/12/2018 01:25

I've been involved in a group dynamic like this before. In all honesty it felt a bit incestous and I later found out most were cheating with each other regularly

It's a bit of a group that never grew up thing I think. As they finally began to marry and have kids... the group pretty much dumped each other but then squabbled over never having time for each other

I was an outsider and never got "in" thankfully in hindsight

pissedonatrain · 18/12/2018 01:26

Ditch him. You don't need to be party of his harem

Monty27 · 18/12/2018 01:27

What's his ego like? FFS I would soon tell him to piss off Confused

shpoot · 18/12/2018 01:30

Ffs. I'm friends with some ex's. Don't see the big deal

ohiamsodamntired · 18/12/2018 01:35

Oh I'm "friends" with plenty of exes... in reality that means I might send or receive the odd meme on social media, call or hear from them once a year and maybe the odd meet for coffee in a blue moon if we happen to be passing the same area the other lives in

It doesn't mean I ask new partners to include them in the group and get close to them. I'd introduce if we passed on the street or take them along for coffee

BitOfFun · 18/12/2018 01:35

How old are you? Does anyone in this weird incestuous circle have any plans to actually move out of town?

civicxx · 18/12/2018 01:37

Invite people you've slept with too the group also so how that goes down.

What a knob

wakemewhenitsallover · 18/12/2018 01:59

DO is friends with some of my exes and I'm friends with some of his.

He has A LOT of exes! I don't expect him to tell me about all of them and vice versa. I either if us want to know we can ask.

Grow up, people FFS.

If he's flirty with them and that's not OK with you, or there's a sense of unfinished business then that's a different matter.

But simply being friends with an ex doesn't make someone an areshole. I could also mean they're decent and treat their partners well.

BumbleBeee69 · 18/12/2018 03:19

Bring all your own exes into the group friendship meet ups, see how much he genuinely enjoys the dynamics. Share a bedroom with your ex and his gf and you and your BF. He can’t complain Grin

DitchyMcAbandonpants · 18/12/2018 13:24

I now struggle with the mentality of people who think they're so "evolved" that maintaining inappropriate boundaries with exes is the mature and grown up way to deal with it. This isn't being judgemental, I've done exactly this myself and gave myself a smug pat on the back for being so adult and chilled about it all. It didn't end well.

Having a series of over-friendly exes in the background, ready to offer advice, emotional support, a shoulder to cry on and - should the opportunity arise, a hookup to validate their attractiveness - isn't healthy for anyone. If it's too easy to fall back and get familiar comfort, then anything difficult isn't dealt with properly and it's a massive infidelity risk too. When your relationship goes through tough times, do you know he'll persevere through talking to you and sorting out the rough patches, or will he have exes who know him well - all ready to pick him up, tell him he's great and let him know that you're the problem?

Men who collect ex girlfriends in a harem aren't normally ready for a real relationship. They can change and grow out of it but you can't define their boundaries for them - they have to do it themselves.

OP - might be worth having a look at this blog which explores ex-girlfriend collectors and their "harems":
www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/some-people-collect-the-friendship-of-exes-and-love-interests-dont-stay-in-the-harem/

www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/advice-help-is-it-wrong-to-have-expected-my-ex-to-set-some-boundaries-with-his-narcissistic-harem/

www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/narcissistic-harems-in-a-nutshell-why-its-time-to-stop-envying-the-ex-and-various-hanger-ons/

wakemewhenitsallover · 18/12/2018 13:34

I now struggle with the mentality of people who think they're so "evolved" that maintaining inappropriate boundaries with exes is the mature and grown up way to deal with it. This isn't being judgemental, I've done exactly this myself and gave myself a smug pat on the back for being so adult and chilled about it all. It didn't end well.

If you're "maintaining inappropriate boundaries" then it's not exactly a mature approach is it?

Having a series of over-friendly exes in the background, ready to offer advice, emotional support, a shoulder to cry on and - should the opportunity arise, a hookup to validate their attractiveness - isn't healthy for anyone. If it's too easy to fall back and get familiar comfort, then anything difficult isn't dealt with properly and it's a massive infidelity risk too

If the OP's exes are over friendly, providing a shoulder to cry on and available for hook ups then, no, it's not appropriate for them to be friends.

But I think it's a shame people think it's impossible to be friends with exes. It's pretty normal in my friendship circles. None of my exes are a "shoulder to cry on" and I wouldn't go anywhere near them sexually, that's done and dusted! There's no sense of unfinished business.

DP's exes make me feel welcome, not insecure.

We go on family holidays with both of our exes, and their families. Our children are friends. We're talking about people we went out with like 20 years ago! And for whom we have a lot of friends in common.

I wonder, the people saying you can't be friends with exes, are the vast majority of your friends female? Do you have many male friends? Or do you feel relationships with men and woman always have a sexual element, below the surface?

thisusernameisrubbish · 18/12/2018 13:35

I had this with the last toxic man I dated. His best friend was female and everyone on MN told me to give him a chance and that I was being OTT. He had a narcissists harem, it was full of exes and 'friends' who all happened to be female - in fact the guy had no male friends at all.
He would be inappropriate with these women too, and was constantly seeking an ego stroke from all of them.
Clearly you are uncomfortable with this situation. You can't change someone like this, and you can't compete! So it's best to walk away.

DitchyMcAbandonpants · 18/12/2018 14:23

If you're "maintaining inappropriate boundaries" then it's not exactly a mature approach is it?

I suspect our definition of inappropriate boundaries differ. I used to think that the hard line was physical contact. Now, I realise that talking to an ex about my emotions or my current relationship is inappropriate because I'd be talking to the wrong person, giving them personal information about my partner and connecting with them on an emotional level. Worse still, it's withholding that information from the person who most needs to hear it and be given the chance to respond honestly.

If the OP's exes are over friendly, providing a shoulder to cry on and available for hook ups then, no, it's not appropriate for them to be friends.

But that's a huge assumption to make on the part of the exes. Yes, some of them might be fine and completely over it but this certainly isn't a universal condition and shouldn't be assumed. Yes, you need to trust your partner in this too but if an ex is there, being the chilled, supportive one, while the relationship partner's struggling and in emotional need, then this can be very damaging having this easy fallback and comparison.

But I think it's a shame people think it's impossible to be friends with exes. It's pretty normal in my friendship circles. None of my exes are a "shoulder to cry on" and I wouldn't go anywhere near them sexually, that's done and dusted! There's no sense of unfinished business.

It's not impossible to be friends with exes - that wasn't what I said. But having a harem of ex-girlfriends hanging around on the hook, ready to jump in whenever it's needed - that's an intimidating situation.

I wonder, the people saying you can't be friends with exes, are the vast majority of your friends female? Do you have many male friends? Or do you feel relationships with men and woman always have a sexual element, below the surface?

I used to have lots of male friends - couple of them were exes but mostly just guys at work who I got on well with. Never needed to define the relationship because I thought it was obvious and I knew it'd never go any further physically.

Except - I made the mistake of assuming they knew this and they felt the same. I had multiple miscommunications and awkward situations where my "friendliness" was taken as "she's clearly into me". I've had friends tell me their wife didn't understand them and offered them advice on their relationship, only to be told "you understand me, I wish she could be more like you". One guy even approached my DP to tell him that I was a prick tease and liked leading guys on and I was no good for him.

After this happened a few times, I realised it wasn't happening for any other reason except my poorly-defined boundaries.

Post-realisation, any guy friend who tells me his wife doesn't understand him gets a "yeah, your problem is that she understands you too well" or "believe me, I'd give you far more crap than you're getting from her in the same situation".

Ultimately, the golden rule DP and I use for dealing with friendly exes / opposite gender friends is this: we are a unit. They're either friends with both of us or they're friends with neither of us. If I'm replying to a message that I'm uncomfortable about my DP seeing, then it's not appropriate. If his exes are messaging him directly and wouldn't want him to share their communication with me, then it's not appropriate.

@wakemewhenitsallover - if you've got all this stuff locked down and there's no issues with your DP and exes all being together, then that's awesome - but it took me a long time to get to that place. Boundaries are incredibly important but some people find them difficult and if so, the guidelines need to be firmly established early on. Too much muddying and blurring of the lines with people who may not be as emotionally stable as you, can lead to pain for everyone concerned.

HeebieJeebies456 · 18/12/2018 15:06

There's no need for you to become bessy mates with them or 'close' - he's probably just fantasising about group sex with you all and thinks he's some kind of God's gift to women......not sure why you're attracted to him actually.

userxx · 18/12/2018 15:12

mogratpineapple - totally agree. I had a "thing" with a guy like this, so many ex's floating around and being taken out for dinner. Its so sleazy. He was there at a moments notice to offer comfort...… with his cock.

Closetbeanmuncher · 18/12/2018 15:49

Is there anyone you know that your boyfriend hasn't fucked??

Grim Confused