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Pinpointing why I don't have emotionally avaliable parents.

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ThisMustBeMyDream · 12/12/2018 02:05

I'm an only child. I'm 34. My parents married young, although I did not come along until mum was 26. They divorced when I was 9.

My childhood prior to 9 is mostly happy memories. I do remember some arguments, but not regularly.

My memories of my parents are of hard working parents, always working, but not to my detriment as my mum was a teacher and at age 5 I went to her school (I did my reception year at a different school). This meant mum was very involved in parenting me. Dad was home every night and would play games and watch tv with me.
After they separated, things became incredibly difficult. Both parents behaved badly, and I can understand why they did. My dad started sleeping with a teacher at mum's school. This forced my mum in to leaving, thus meaning I too had to leave as we didn't live by the school.

Mum's career went from strength to strength after that, and she eventually became a head teacher a few years later.
Me? I rejected my Dad for some time, because I hated my new school. I hated the other children, not having my mum around, and suddenly being home alone every day for 2-3 hours. I never fitted in to the new school, which then left residual difficulties when moving to secondary school. I didn't enjoy high school, and was bullied regularly because I didn't really fit in.

By 16, I was pregnant. I didn't go off the rails. I simply wanted a family of my own. After I had my son, I then went on to significantly improve my life, with a small amount of support from my parents. I am university educated and have a mortgage. I am aware I had quite a lot of academic potential, but that having a child at 16 limited that. I could have had more earning potential than I do now. But I am still well paid and do well in life.

But where I still struggle is that my parents are not emotionally avaliable to me. I am trying to understand why. My mum lives a few miles away. I see her maybe 4/5 times a year. I last saw her in the summer holidays. Contact is limited - some of those visits will be her coming to my house for 1 hour. She will do the visit arranging. If I ask, she is too busy to see me. So I've learned to just leave it to her.

Ringing her is generally discouraged unless by pre arrangement via text. Examples of phone calls unannounced are "what do you want" snapped at me when she picks up the phone.

My dad is now retired and has been for 4 years. He spent 19 years prior to that living in Switzerland to avoid maintenance payments. He moved back to the UK, but 5 hours away. He now lives between here, with spending 3 months a year in his Switzerland home. He also spends approx 3 months a year on holiday.

My dad is more amenable to phone calls, but as he is often away, and he isn't of the mobile phone generation, he is difficult to get hold of. I never know if he is in the UK or not. I see him once a year around new year. Occasionally there will be a visit in between. Again, visits are all on his terms, and any discussion of me visiting him is never convenient.

The biggest problem with both parents, but more so my mum, is that I am not allowed to be upset. I am not allowed to call them if something has happened, and I would like some emotional support. My mum once said to me, when I was going through a separation (as in I had just rung her to inform her but my voice cracked whilst telling her) "why do you do this to me? Do you never think about how I feel?" Like somehow she becomes the one it's all about? I can not tell her I am upset as this will affect her?!

My dad's emotional unavailability is most down to his lack of contact. He is difficult to get hold of. Text and email doesn't reach him beyond maybe once a week whan he turns his mobile on. But again, he is cold. He doesn't understand why I would be upset that I found out my husband cheated on me, and that I found out on my wedding day. I should just accept it and never cry or even express that I am devastated.

I must stress, I have probably had 7/8 occasions in the last 16 years where I have just wanted a hug from my parents, some kind words, and the freedom to talk to someone. It's not a weekly issue!

Why are my parents so seemingly cold, and detached? I'm a parent, and none of it is logical to me. But I am not them. I need more than just my own thoughts to try and pinpoint how loving parents, created such a fractured relationship with me. As my nan said to me recently, "I don't understand how two parents who fought over you so bitterly, and loved you so much, could be so uninterested now". That was from my dad's mother. 😔

She is right. That is essentially what has happened. Neither parent is interested in my life, or that of my children. Neither parent encourage a relationship, and actually discourage contact except on their own terms.

My parents aren't bad people. So I can only come to the conclusion that there is something fundamentally wrong with me.

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jessstan2 · 12/12/2018 02:19

There's nothing wrong with you. Your parents feel guilty about you and seem to have lost the ability to communicate and show affection. A barrier has come down between you. That happens sometimes when parents break up. Your mum was wrong to say what she said to you but I suppose she couldn't help it.

You're the mature one here, you've done very well for yourself. If you were my girl I'd be very proud of you.

You'll do better with your children than your parents did with you but please do try to hang on to the happy memories, it wasn't always bad. They are the losers in all this.

Flowers
AbsentmindedWoman · 12/12/2018 02:21

There is nothing wrong with you.

Your parents are limited by their own unresolved issues. It sounds like maybe they didn't know how to cope with their own difficult feelings of upset and to protect themselves they distanced themselves, in slightly different ways, from you.

It's shit and not good enough - it was up to them to each build a solid relationship with you after the divorce.

It's not your fault, it really is not your fault.

Aussiebean · 12/12/2018 07:24

My uneducated guess is that they are both very selfish people. Maybe narc, but not enough information to get that.

The fighting for you when you were young was more about getting at each other then about you.

Now you are grown your are no longer useful in their fight so that’s it.

That is in no way a reflection on you. Zero to do with you at all. This is who they were before you were born. Unfortunately, you were just the collateral.

Please don’t put their behaviour down to you. It’s all them.

It’s good to be able to understand why they behave the way they do, but certainly doesn’t excuse it.

Btw, I wouldn’t say they aren’t bad people. Your dad leaving the country so he didn’t have to pay maintenance is a really horrible thing to do. Your mum making you wanting some support about you ‘doing something’ to her is very self centred. That is not the words of a caring mother.

BackInTheRoom · 12/12/2018 07:46

They sound like two very scarred people OP. Just a thought; Maybe you making contact reminds them of this painful time? I don't know but you are not the problem here. In fact you sound wonderful because you recognise there is something wrong with it all? The bottom line is that you are not the problem, you are lovable, worthy of love. You just seem to have parents who have 'shut down'? 💐

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/12/2018 08:09

What Aussiebean wrote.

Its not you, its them. Parents who are emotionally unavailable are often immature and psychologically affected themselves. What if anything do you know about these people's own family backgrounds, that often gives clues.

Christmas2474 · 12/12/2018 08:55

Hi OP. Your comments about not being allowed to be upset and no real interest or effort to be part of your life...I could have written the same thing.

I bought a house 3 years ago and invited my mum over many times. She’s always too busy, visited once. She does live an hour away but only works part time and travels much much further when she wants to go to a particular shop! It hurts.

I’m never ever allowed to be upset. My mum I don’t think actually knows how to listen and understand. Which is strange because she can provide support to her friends. On the phone she can be very dismissive and clearly is watching tv at the same time or internet shopping - in the past when I have been in tears over a separation.

It really hurts. I’ve learned that trying to change it hurts more. So now I keep my distance and enjoy the time I do spend with them. I can’t trust them to be there emotionally. I find other people dont really get why this is so painful. They’re the people who are supposed to want to be there unconditionally always. I guess if you have parents like that then you don’t consider how it feels not to have it. Sorry this isn’t more help, just wanted you to know you are not alone and I get the hurt.

Christmas2474 · 12/12/2018 08:56

attila also what this poster said.

There’s a reason they are like this and it isn’t you.

Musti · 12/12/2018 09:07

This isn't you, it's them. You have a child now and you know that there's nothing he could do to make you feel about him and treat him the way your parents treat you. I recently met someone who was neglected emotionally as a child and it still affects him today. He is finding counselling tremendous help.

You should be very very proud for all that you have achieved. To have gone to uni and done well in a career, have a house and a life whilst bringing up a child when so young is a massive achievement. Don't worry about what you could have achieved had you not had a child so young. Very few of us reach our full potential for different reasons and having q big wage isn't a mark of success. Be kind to yourself and it may be worth thinking about counselling.

poglets · 12/12/2018 09:18

It's isn't you OP. Your parents failed you and continue to do so. You won't get what you need from them because they are incapable. So I'll say it again, it isn't about you or your fault.

You will have to process the abandonment. But it is good to understand that what is lacking here is from them. Not you.

Have you ever talked to anyone in real life about this? I have had therapy to address similar issues. It does help to some extent.

user1484424013 · 12/12/2018 09:19

No offence but neither of your parents should have had a child and well fucking done for turning out so bloody well. Be proud because those two should be absolutely ashamed. Just arrange to meet both of them together and tell them the truth do not be afraid they are the fuck ups. Your dad moved to avoid maintinece for you not your mum. They have done the damage what do you care about bollocking them they owe you now the other way round

TimeIhadaNameChange · 12/12/2018 09:31

I can relate. In my case I think it's partly because, when my dad died when I was 7, I made the decision that someone in the family needed to keep it together and as my mother and older brother weren't capable, that person would have to be me. Plus I didn't want to burden my mother with my emotions, so closed them up. This has been excarberated by the fact that I no longer have a relationship with my brother, but my mother thinks we should, and will tell him everything I tell her because he needs to know. So I largely stopped telling her my problems a long time ago. On the occassional time since when I have tried she doesn't know how to deal with me, so completely denies my emotions.

She also gets confused and amused when other mothers act differently. A friend of hers went to visit her son when he broke up with his girlfriend, and my mother thought that was silly, and he should just get over himself. I felt incredibly jealous of my friend's son. But I get the feeling that my mother thinks that unless someone is widowed as she was then whatever they're going through doesn't count.

I'm wondering if any of this counts in your case. How did you react to your parents when they split up? Were you open about your feelings or did you feel the need to close up? Is that what they've got used to, and thus can't cope when you do need emotional support? They can't marry the reality of the you who does need help with the picture they have of you never needing any? Or (and) were they so traumatised by the split and what happened afterwards that they feel nothing you (or anyone else) goes through can ever come close? Food for thought.

Whatever the reason, it is not you. Please believe that.

oiiiiiii · 13/12/2018 02:14

My parents are/were v v similar. Once their marriage fell apart they both lost the will to bother with family life. Looking back I see now that they'd wanted the status and sense of feeling wanted by children and approved of by society/friends/extended family. When the marriage failed, they basically threw the babies out with the bathwater, so to speak.

It is sad. My Dm and df did love me when I was small. From around age 8, that was it, I was on my own.

I have also never been permitted to ever have anything but happy emotions.

I tried for many years to get my mother's attention and approval. I gave up in my early 30s. It was extremely painful letting go of her but it's been for the best.

I now see her more clearly. She is an immature, stunted, damaged person who probably should not have had children but was under enormous pressure to. She did her best and her best wasn't really that great. But it can't be helped. I have more compassion for her now although I also hold her at more of a distance now.

Wishing you comfort and clarity op. There's nothing wrong with you. You're simply a victim of human frailty.

VietnameseCrispyFish · 13/12/2018 10:06

It sounds very painful OP. There’s nothing wrong with you, or them. You’re just incompatible, you don’t show or receive or want or need support and care in the same way. Sadly you can’t choose the family you’re born into and it’s incredibly tough when the parents you end up with aren’t suited to you. If this was a friend or a partner you’d have walked away long ago but there’s such a societal pressure to keep trying over and over again because ‘it’s family’.

If things stay the way they are now permanently, will it cause you more or less pain to have them in your life or become estranged?

NK1cf53daaX127805d4fd5 · 13/12/2018 10:46

This post makes me so sad. There is nothing wrong with you at all. They are completely at fault. It sounds like you are very self aware and will be a far better parent than they could

fc301 · 13/12/2018 10:52

It's not you.
They have both behaved appallingly.

Whilst I sympathise with you wanting to understand the WHY, this will never solve the problem but may help you gain closure.
PP advice above about sitting them both down is a terrible idea (no offence). They have already demonstrated an absolute inability to hear/ consider you. All you will do is trigger a very nasty narcissistic rage.
I would recommend you get some therapy to help you move on and not continue to hope for more. Parents SHOULD provide the support you desperately want. Sadly yours never will 💐

KingLooieCatz · 13/12/2018 15:58

I wonder if they have tried to convince themselves that you don't or shouldn't need their emotional support to escape their guilt for not prioritizing your needs during your childhood.

It may be little consolation but the time may come when they need you more than you need them.

I can only suggest you try to make time as your child grows older for friendships that offer you more emotional support and people to give you an unconditional hug when needed.

ThisMustBeMyDream · 14/12/2018 00:15

Thank you for the very insightful replies.
I have spent the last 2 days considering the possibilities, the why's and the why not.
I think I got stuck in my mind that if two people act the same towards you, the common denominator is.... me. The replies have helped me re-consider many alternative options.

I had thought I'd accepted that is just how they are. But recently I've felt old feelings resurfacing. Maybe we never truly accept. But just live with it. Either way, it won't change. I've waited 25 years and nothing has changed. They both hate each other bitterly, and forever want to be one up on the other. Despite both being remarried. Those feelings are as fresh to them as they were 25 years ago. It's actually incredibly sad when I consider 25 years of hate and anger in that way.

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Prettyvase · 14/12/2018 00:47

I understand completely op as I have experienced the same. My dps think they are the normal behaving as they do.

The way I coped was to go very low contact ( easy as hardly ever saw them anyway) and to mourn the fact that I didn't have parents that loved or cared for me.

I mourned this loss for many years until gradually I have become at peace with it (not completely) as I sometimes I get pangs of upset.

What helped was becoming the mother I always wanted but never had.

They don't know me or my dc and they have missed out hugely but tbh they are quite toxic with very rigid in their thinking so it is better for us to have them at more than arm's length.

I used to be so envious of others who have loving parents and loving grandparents for their dc. But now I focus my energy on more positive relationships instead.

I hope you can too Flowers

MargoLovebutter · 14/12/2018 09:55

Big hug OP, it is really hard to have unsupportive parents.

I have counselling for this and it does really help, as I am learning how to support myself. When you grow up with emotionally distant parents, you learn that your emotions and feelings aren't important and that can impact on people in all sorts of ways.

The fact that you are questioning why they are like they are and thinking about them, says it all to me. You are more concerned about them than yourself.

If you would consider some counselling, I'd recommend it.

BestBeforeYesterday · 14/12/2018 10:31

What relationship do your parents have with their own parents? Could it be that they are simply repeating a learnt relationship pattern?

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