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Renarde1975 · 10/12/2018 20:17

I really should name change for this but I cannot remember my password and h, I have ceased to care.

I need help and support MN. Please.

In March this year I took an overdose and I wanted to die. The reasons for this are complex but it largely revolved around the children and the serving of the Decree Absolute from my Ex.

Since then, these past nine or so months my life has been a living hell. After the suicide attempt, my ex took the kids. Initially he agreed to mediation then two days later filed in the court on an emergency appeal to get the children (we had shared 50/50). I agreed that the children could reside at his address. Temporarily. When I gave the court that assurance is truly imagined it would be a few months.

My ex fabricated statements about me. To CAFCASS and to the Court itself. I had no opportunity to defend myself. I am not an unfit mother, I always took being a parent seriously. My children were never abused nor neglected whilst under my care. Never.

But it goes further. My ex raped me, threatened to rape me, physically assaulted me and psychologically abused me over many years. He has smeared me to his family and my own. My brother and I were abused, terribly, by the actions of my father and the inaction of our mother. I have now reported the actions of my ex to the police.

I had hoped, dearly hoped that the final hearing would be around about now. So I could get the children back for christmas. Now that wont happen. It will be early April. A full 13 months since the suicide and I have not yet once been able to defend myself against the family court. Not once. Because just on the say so of the family court, I am 'not fit' to be around them and thus I must be supervised, simply on the suicide attempt and the allegations my ex has been allowed to say against me. Seeing the kids is costing me aprox. £200 a month. Noting has been proven. Nothing. Not that I am guilty anyway.

My ex then drops a huge bombshell about a week ago. He has a new job, 6 hours away from where we live and he wants to take the kids. I break down. I'm beside myself. I know precisely where he wants to go and being not that far from the county myself, I know precisely what it will be like. It is a place of despair and of hopelessness. But, he's already told my children he is moving and because like all young children, they sense adventure; they want to go.

Then he drops another bombshell. He's applied for my child benefit. CB is clear. Yes, you are entitled to the money if the kids reside with you for 64 days in 16 weeks OR you can prove that you use that money to support the children.

I do use that money to support the children. I use it to see them. As per the terms of the court order. And now he wants to move.

My heart is broken. I cannot NOT be in my childrens' lives on a weekly basis. Yes, it was foolish of me to do what I did but when I took that overdose, I was not in a sound mind. The upshot is that I did give my permission this week for him to take them and I will follow.

MN. I would die for my children but I do not want to move. But they want too. This week he agreed that he would relinquish his claim to the CB. I told him, explicitly, that the money (£140) needed to be placed back in my account. He agreed only to quibble on it later.

On Saturday, I had a conversation on the door where I effectively begged him for my money back. This is the door of the house I used to own. I begged for money I was entitled too. I got 110 out of him, still not the full amount. I'm broken and I feel so humiliated.

This man has a joint income of around about 70K and I am on UC. Professionally, I was a qualified teacher of A Level Physics. My mental health now is so poor that I dont think I can work ever again.

But oh, it get's worse. About three weeks or so, my alcoholic younger brother collapsed on the stairs at my parents. Hit his head. Is now aware but doesn't recognise people and doesn't know where he is. He's not getting any better.

This year I lost my children, my home, my job and my career.

Please help. I do not want any more to co-parent with my rapist and abuser but equally, if really stand up and fight then at least one of my children will resent me. I feel like I have been placed in bondage just because we share children and I would rather die than serve him and his needs again.

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Gazelda · 10/12/2018 20:21

You poor woman. I really feel for you. Please call Women's Aid, they should be able to guide and support you. x

memable · 10/12/2018 20:31

Sorry for your ordeal OP.
Sorry to say but he should be in receipt of cb and not you as the children reside with him.
After experiencing my own suicide attempts and being a sole parent to my child I'm tempted to say it's not really based on the suicide attempt but on the fact that you agreed for him to have custody, albeit temporary, that it's not been dealt with quicker.

AlmostAJillSandwich · 10/12/2018 20:32

Surely he should be the one getting the CB as he's the one paying all their costs, and you're not paying any kind of maintenance?
I'm sorry but if you attempted suicide then you are a risk to your children as if they were living with you, they would have found you, it doesn't sound like you arethe better choice for resident parent, sorry.

Renarde1975 · 10/12/2018 20:38

Wow.

All you can focus on is the CB? Not the fact he raped me and threatened to rape me?

Jesus fucking Christ

Thank you @gazelda for your kind words.

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Renarde1975 · 10/12/2018 20:40

@amenable

Yeah. Except you're wrong. I took the overdose when I felt he'd already taken the kids through his manipulations. Nothing to do with the court. That would happen the next month.

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RoseOfSharyn · 10/12/2018 20:40

Renard I have spoken with you on here and in another forum before. (Have possibly namechanged since)

I just wanted to send you a huge hug. I

I had a similar experience a year ago. I was a single jobless mum. Carer for my disabled children. Everything got on top of me....the guilt of giving my golden a genetic disability....the struggle of looking after 3 tiny people alone....having to coparent with an abusive cunt that always let me down just to continue fucking with my head. I had a breakdown. I self sabotaged. I'm not proud of myself but I didn't know how to cope.

My children were always my 1st priority. But I was told I was not in the frame of mind to look after them. My exh took the children. Reported me to AS for neglect. Claimed all of the TC, CHB, DLA. I lost my house, children and my will to live in the space of a month. I was only allowed supervised contact and was sleeping in my car.

SS became involved and pushed me to get help for my rapidly declining mental health. They saw how much better i was when I was with my children. I pushed myself to get myself back on track.

I now have a new job that I love, a house of my own, and 50\50 custody of my children.

Fight for what you need. Make yourself the best that you can. Get a new job, Just something basic for now, it will distract your mind slightly. But you'll be financially able to get yourself a new home and you'll feel like you have a purpose again.

He can't just remove your children To another country\city either since you will have parental rights, so get some good legal advice.

and finally....Be kind to yourself. Xxx

Doyoumind · 10/12/2018 20:53

OP I really feel for you. However you have arrived at this situation I can see how you would feel helpless, hopeless and desperate now.

The family court system is a joke imho. Id he planning to move before the final hearing? If so, you can go for a prohibitive steps order to stop him moving. The court would obviously only stop this if they felt it wasn't in the DC's interests. If he's planning to present it at the final hearing, at least you know and have several months to prepare your arguments around this.

What support have you got? Have you spoken to Women's Aid or rape charities? There will be local support. You need someone to hold your hand through this.

I'm so sorry you won't have this sorted for Christmas.

Heartofglass21 · 10/12/2018 21:00

Call Women's Aid and if you're in Wales call the live fear free helpline 0808 8010 800

Flower32 · 10/12/2018 23:41

OP you have been through a terrible time recently and I really feel for you. I have read the wise words of advice you have given others on their threads.
I don't have any experience with family courts etc but it seems crazy to me that a rapist and a man who physically assaulted you was given full custody of his children, or has this just been recently reported to the police? You need to get good legal representation.
Are you able to work to get some extra cash so you don't feel like you have to beg from your ex. I know work is probably the last thing you want to think about but it could give you a focus in these difficult few months and help your self esteem so you don't have to ask him. What he has done re the CB is just a way of controlling you, I doubt he needs the money if he's on 70k.

HelenUrth · 10/12/2018 23:56

Oh you poor thing. I personally am not in a position to give you practical advice but hope you get plenty of useful suggestions from other posters. Given the support you have provided to others on this site you definitely deserve support in return.
Hang in there.

BitOutOfPractice · 11/12/2018 00:03

Oh op I could weep for you but in fairness to pp you did focus your op on the CB originally

Have you spoken to anyone about the rape and abuse. I think you need to and I'm so so sorry you went through that. I believe you Thanks

Renarde1975 · 11/12/2018 01:23

@bit

I focussed on the CB because it's been the final straw AND it's forced my going with him. The no it's I said I would, he withdrew his claim.

Jesus

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Renarde1975 · 11/12/2018 01:24

The minute i said I would ...

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Renarde1975 · 11/12/2018 01:24

@bit

I have made a complaint to the police.

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HereIgoagainxx · 11/12/2018 01:45

I'm so sorry all of this has happened to you. It is like one thing after another.

You say you don't want to move to the area your children are moving. Ok, I get that, but what about somewhere new that is a shirt distance away, somewhere you can commute within reason.

I understand you want to fight the system, but it is in place for a reason.

There is no reason why you cannot work again. Maybe start off in something less taxing. Anything you help build up your confidence.

Re the CB, could you not negotiate part-payment to pay for your visits to the children? Your ex must accept you are needed in their lives and the money will help with this.

You need to draw on all of your strength here. You can get through this one day at a time xx

Renarde1975 · 11/12/2018 01:51

To all the PP who recognise my name, Thankyou. That has touched me Flowers. I do what I do because no human ever deserves this level of pain. Helping others helps me. Thank you x

I'm not drip feeding, couldn't bear to put it in the OP. Mum has been calling, wants me to patch it up with dad. This is the man who cheated on my mum. Fucked many woman over many years. Even at the age of 60, flying to the states and fucking another woman in front of her husband. Believe me, dad is no looked anymore. How he's managed it is utterly beyond my comprehension. I'm a Dominatrix so I'm fully aware of how difficult it is to achieve this.

She rang. He told me, despite her efforts, he has no daughter. He kept repeating it. His own son, an alcoholic, brain damaged in hospital after a fall at his house. His own daughter hateful because she called him on his abuse. His grandchildren moving so far away, he'll see them once a year at best.

This folks is a Christian. Ha!

To top it all, this autumn I fell in love and now i have to leave him. The one shining light in my life and now that's gone.

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Renarde1975 · 11/12/2018 02:12

@here yourr damn straight tje system is in place. Iys there to maintain orderr over the people

Why are the courts so backlogged? Is it maybe because ex spouses use the system for their own gains? To further domestic violence?

OF course the ex doesn't need the money. Who on 70k would??? He took money of which I can prove he's not entitled too. He's not. And the police were extremely interested on that point as well. Extremely.

One night, a sat night. I woke up to my ex fucking me. I pushed him off saying NO.

He stopped. Went into the bathroom. I got up. I said, what the fuck was that about?? You just raped me? He was washing his cock. Said it stung. He then said I'd started it. But I woke up! I was not conscious.

He then goes downstairs. I find him on the sofa cutting his arm with a kitchen knife. I'm beside myself. I apologise. Over and over again. This was 2011.

  1. I tell him I'm leaving. He comes back one night. Late. Tells me bed been to a friend. The friend talked him out of coming back and raping me to teach me a lesson.

Don't even get me started on National Domestic Violence charity.

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memable · 11/12/2018 07:24

OP I'm not sure why you're getting so angry about the CB.
He is entitled to it because he's the main carer, I don't know why you're being defensive at this being pointed out. His earnings also don't reflect the CB.

memable · 11/12/2018 07:26

Did you call the police about the rape?
He sounds very unstable.

Suebnm · 11/12/2018 08:56

I think you’re focusing on the child benefit because focussing on anything else is too painful to comprehend. The brain does this in times of absolute crisis.

I don’t have any advice but I really feel for you.

BitOutOfPractice · 11/12/2018 09:07

I wasn't criticising you when I said about the CB. I was trying to explain why other posters had mentioned the CB.

Anyway, very well done in making the complaint. That was so brave. I hope it's progressing.

HopeMumsnet · 11/12/2018 12:21

Hello OP, we are really sorry to hear you are feeling this way right now.

We hope you don't mind, but when we get these threads flagged to us we usually add a link to our Mental Health resources - here. You can also go to the Samaritans' website here, or email them on [email protected]. Support from other Mumsnetters is great and we really hope you will be able to take some comfort from your fellow posters, but as other MNers will tell you, it's really a good idea to seek RL help and support as well.

We also like to remind everyone that, although we're awed daily by the astonishing support our members give each other through life's trickier twists and turns, we'd always caution anyone never to give more of themselves to another poster, emotionally or financially, than they can afford to spare.

Flowers
Renarde1975 · 11/12/2018 23:43

Thankyou MN for your response. Its appreciated. Especially highlighting what the Samaritans do. And do so well.

@Bit I know you wernt criticising me. Thankyou for saying that though Smile

@Rose I don't recall your username but then, I'm hopeless with names!

But thankyou for not only your kind words but telling your story. For sharing. So brave.

I've had a weird day today. Was with the man who makes me happy but he had been ill.

Back at home with the cats. God those cats. The Queen, oh she's such a Queen. The minute she senses I'm upset, she trills her way towards me and ever so elegantly climbs on my shoulders and bants me with her head.

You know there is a lot of bad in the world. I had Queen spayed this year. She nearly died. I had no money and no extant insurance. A charity agreed to pay her vets bills. All it took was a 10 minute conversation.

I'll never forget the generosity of that charity, when I'm better, I'll fundraise for it.

Thankyou MN for giving me hope x

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