Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Feeling heartbroken for my Husband and MIL because FIL is a racist pig

47 replies

wheneverythinggoestitsup · 10/12/2018 10:11

This may be long apologies - I'm too embarrassed to tell anyone in real life so I need to get it off my chest.

Background - FIL is racist, its fairly obvious after minimal conversation and I have always just walked away and ignored (one heated discussion around brexit a few years ago but that's it)

We visit every weekend for a couple of hours with 2 kids, 8 year old stepson and 4 year old daughter. They swear a lot which has always bugged me but have just put up with it and ensured the kids don't take any notice - neither of whom have any issues understanding what they can and cant say.

Anyway - a couple of weeks ago DH went to SS's parents evening and was told by teacher that there was an incident in class with him and his friends. They were playing that game where they tell each other to say a word and then say it louder and louder. Then SS said the 'n' word. ~According to the teacher one of his friends told him to say it and then he shouted it. Teacher had words with all of them regarding the word itself etc etc.

Now, FIL has used this word several times before so DH took this as opportunity to tell him what had happened and let him infer that SS had heard it from him and got in trouble in school. FIL said he wouldn't say it in front of the kids. I wasn't there for this 'discussion'.

Fast forward to this weekend. Me, DH, DD and FIL sat in the living room together. My DD says 'Where's nanny gone', FIL says TO DD, shes gone looking for a 'n' word. Before I could open my mouth my husband says something like 'Dad- what is wrong with you I've told you not to say that never mind AT the kids'

FIL says 'This is my house, they say it at each other if I want to say it ill say it' Then says 'I'm not racist'
I then say 'Regardless of what you think of the word personally, SS has already been in trouble for using it and I don't want them to think it is an acceptable word to use when it isn't!'

FIL gets up and huffs into the kitchen. We stay another 20 mins, then when we are leaving DH goes into the kitchen to say bye. Well the next thing they're shouting at each other - I take both kids outside to the car.
DH comes out and apparently FIL was saying 'This is my house - I can say what I want in my house'
Husband said 'Well it's either stop saying it while were here or we don't come is that what you want' further shouting and then DH said he said 'ok' they hugged it out and all was ok.

Now this morning at 7am were all asleep and DH gets a phone call from FIL who says ' I've decided I will continue to use whatever words I want in my house in front of the kids so if you don't like it don't come' So DH said 'ok' and put the phone down.

I mean I have never liked the man to be honest - he's nasty, selfish, uneducated, racist and rude. So why am I still shocked by this? I can't wrap my head around how a grown man would value using this abhorrent language over ever having a relationship with his son and grandkids. And all this without a thought for anyone else involved. I feel so sad for my DH (who says he's not bothered but who knows) and especially my MIL.

Also - I think FIL was possible angrier because I dared say something to him. He's very misogynistic.

I am actually so embarrassed that I even know this man.

OP posts:
wheneverythinggoestitsup · 10/12/2018 11:11

I am surprised the school waited for the parent teacher meeting before talking about it, they should have called your DH in to the school straightaway.
Silence is the same as agreement.
To your kids - it looked like you agreed with your FIL's ideas and the words he used were fine with you because you said nothing. You heard his vile and despicable verbal abuse of people but you 'allowed' it.
It's a pity that it had to get to the point where your stepson had to be used as the ammunition for both your DH and yourself to protest at this.

I wasn't told about the school incident until it was brought up later, DH didn't want me to know for obvious reasons.
His use of the N word was around DH- I don't often sit in the same room as him on visits.
I knew he was racist, not because he was shouting the n word all over the place, but from things said when brexit was being voted on. I have never before heard him say this word before. DH has, but obviously I cant control his reaction to his dad.
He doesn't really interact with the children while they're there- we normally play with the dogs in another room. But it was as if on this occasion he was doing what a pp said- and saying it to assert his authority in his home after being told by DH about the incident with stepson.

OP posts:
wheneverythinggoestitsup · 10/12/2018 11:12

App name change fail! Blush
Hopefully none of DHs family are on here!

OP posts:
Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/12/2018 13:33

MIL has messaged DH saying she is heart broken and wishes she was a better mum and person and that she could walk away from him but she isn't strong enough

I'd certainly deal with the issues of your DCs being exposed to his horrible behaviour, but would be wary about getting involved in this ^^

It's one thing if your MIL honestly wants support to walk away, but she knows he's like, has chosen to stay so far and really shouldn't be putting private angst about her marriage onto you

All that said, I agree with the PP who mentioned starting some lovely new traditions by bringing her over to you. That way you still get to enjoy her company, she gets a break and FIL can bounce off his own walls ... a win win surely?

redexpat · 10/12/2018 13:49

Your DH is a keeper.

Arrowfanatic · 10/12/2018 17:18

I swear your fil and my FIL must be the same person. Mine is disgustingly racist, and misogynistic and I hate it. To the point I haven't been up to see him in years because he makes my skin crawl.

He sees it as he's a grown up and can say and do as he likes. But he doesn't save it for just in the house, he'll be outright rude and nasty to waitresses.

He adores my children and thankfully doesn't go full racist in their presence (yet) but he swears so much and is so rude I hate them seeing him. They're getting to an age now where they don't like his behaviour either so I expect they'll want to see him less and less.

My mil is a wonderful lady and I often wonder how she tolerates him. My dh had a big falling out with fil once as he was so mean to me, and will call his dad out now a bit more if he catches him being awful. But as well my husband grew up with this so what he sees as "normal" behaviour I feel offended by, not that dh agrees with it but says how it's just fils way and he supposes he's so used to it he doesn't notice it.

Cheeseandwin5 · 11/12/2018 15:26

I can only assume that your FIL has been allowed to get away with his disgusting behaviour by all those around him who have decided to turn a blind eye for the better good. Now you know how poisonous such attitudes can be and how they can be transferred into young minds easily, you really have a duty to your children to educate them in the rights and wrongs of such behaviour and attitudes and this included keep them away from him. Your FIL is a grown adult. He has a right to think how he does, but freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of responsibility and such hostile words will only lead to spiral of destruction for him and for your kids.

wheneverythinggoestitsup · 14/12/2018 10:03

Just thought I would add an update as I'm actually so angry and upset right now.

So MIL sent DH a message today saying his dad has said he wants nothing to do with us and that it was more to do with the way I spoke to him in his own home.

If it wasn't real I'd laugh as I was rather restrained given the circumstances.

Apparently he didn't say anything to me at the time as I'm pregnant Hmm and he never wants us at the house again.

I hate this man so god damn much right now how dare he try and justify this.

OP posts:
winecigsandchoc · 14/12/2018 11:44

Keep your chin up OP, he's just a dog weeing on "his" territory.

The fact he's trying to justify his actions tells you all you need to know. This doesn't change anything really- did you really want to go back to his house anyway? Sounds like he thinks he can behave however he wants in his own home- I bet he wouldn't be so racist if there was a visitor like a police officer or social worker standing there. He just thinks it's ok in front of his family. Disgusting man.

To any decent person who he tells his story to, they will be able to read between the lines and realise what a tosser this man is. Don't let the latest get to you xxxxx

Blondebakingmumma · 14/12/2018 11:49

Disgusting behaviour. FIL will be able to do and say what he wants in his own home. However, it will be a lonely home without family

Gruffalosgrandma · 14/12/2018 11:52

What a horrid situation . If you can see MIL out of the house away from FIL she may enjoy her grandchildren more and forge a better relationship with them . Likewise you, Dh and she
will be able to relax in each others company without FIL there. Good luck.

redexpat · 14/12/2018 11:57

Oh dear. What's the quote from Dumbledore - something about choosing between what is right and what is easy. You are definitely doing the right thing for your DC.

wheneverythinggoestitsup · 14/12/2018 13:18

@winecigsandchoc you're right I didn't want to go back- think I'm pissed off he's making out like we want to but aren't allowed!  I feel better having ranted and I'm trying to just let it go. What a dickhead.

@redexpat this made me smile!
“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right"

Thank you for listening everyone I really appreciate it x

OP posts:
Urbanbeetler · 14/12/2018 13:38

You really are doing what’s right.

Littletabbyocelot · 14/12/2018 13:55

My FIL is very racist but he loves his grandkids. His word of choice is the p word. He hasn't used it since we told him the impact using that word would have on them - not only getting in trouble at school but losing friends as parents don't want to have racist children in their home. I've tried over the years challenging the racism (as has DH) but he's proud of it. It actually saddens him that he can't share it with his gc but he respects our decision as parents.

The fact your FIL only cares about himself shows how right you are to go nc. His gs got in trouble at school and he couldn't care less.

rookiemere · 14/12/2018 14:14

My DF is racist but has been told it's not acceptable to use the N word around DS so he doesn't as it's more important to him to see his GS than use offensive language

TheSquiffyQuiff · 14/12/2018 14:27

Careful he’s not trying to alienate his poor wife.

wheneverythinggoestitsup · 14/12/2018 15:21

@TheSquiffyQuiff
You know, in the message from his Mum she says something like ' he doesn't want you at the house, but he's not stopping me from seeing you' Big alarm bells but I just don't think there's anything we can do?

OP posts:
Haffdonga · 14/12/2018 15:37

We will probably meet MIL out of the house - we are over near their house often anyway

I hope you are able to do this. If I was you I'd be tempted to make a point of ensuring you see MIL as much or more then ever by picking her up and taking her out for lunch or treats with her grand-dcs. No doubt FIL will be trying to alienate her from you and will make her life difficult but for everybody's sake don't let him win and cut his wife off from everyone she loves.

SandyY2K · 14/12/2018 15:51

As a black person I find it very offensive and more so, when non black people think it's acceptable to use the word, because some black people use it.

Those that do are not smart.

You and your DH sound like very nice people. A lot of others accommodate their parents using those terms...with the excuse of "he or she is set in her ways"

My DB went through school being called a N on an almost daily basis.

Good in your DH and I feel sorry for your MIL.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/12/2018 16:30

his Mum ... says something like ' he doesn't want you at the house, but he's not stopping me from seeing you' Big alarm bells but I just don't think there's anything we can do?

I agree, but then I don't think there's anything you should do now. Although you've tried, he's making this into some kind of hill to die on and you can't interfere in the dynamics of their marriage if your MIL chooses to tolerate it

Personally I'd continue your nice relationship with MIL well away from him, but TBH I wouldn't be too keen on listening to any complaints about how awful it all is for her. You mentioned upthread that he's already driven away 4 out of 5 siblings, and any decision on whether to stay with someone like this has to be hers

wheneverythinggoestitsup · 14/12/2018 16:38

@Puzzledandpissedoff
You know what that's exactly what my DH has said- pretty much word for word!
We can only now try to continue relationship with his mum as best we can.
He said that she's chosen to stay with him over the years and that's not something we should feel guilty for.

OP posts:
Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/12/2018 16:48

He said that she's chosen to stay with him over the years and that's not something we should feel guilty for

I agree with him, OP - after all it's his father - and it's also why I'd have little patience with complaints from MIL or (heaven forbid) any attempts to transfer the guilt onto you

FWIW I think you sound a thoroughly decent couple, very much on the same page in trying to guide everyone through this. So often that doesn't happen and it doesn't always end well

New posts on this thread. Refresh page