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AIBU Brothers Wedding

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fluffy71 · 30/11/2018 11:22

Hi there, my brother is getting married for the second time just after Christmas. I used to be very close to him as we are the two youngest of a very large family.

We have children similar ages, he has 2 and I have just had my fifth. When he was married to his first wife, as they didn't live locally they would come to our house for years and always overstay their welcome and have me running round after their kids, leaving the house in a mess etc. Eventually we had a bust up over it and didn't speak for 2 years. In that time, he split with his first wife and met what is now his fiancee, who though I wouldn't say I know her very well, seems very nice.
The reason I was upset with my brother was not only the fact I felt quite used every time he visited our house (which was never reciprocated) but the fact that he would never invite myself or my husband out with other members of our family on their frequent nights out. He would happily come to our house and be very well looked after in terms of meals and booze and go out for drinks with my husband and appear to get on very well with him, but never invited us out with the rest of the family on his separate visits.
I have been aware that their is some tension with my FOO (family of origin) and my husband, a few of them have been rude to him in the past. Because of this, I don't have a great deal to do with them.
Anyway, my brother's daughter and my daughter are very close and love to spend time together. He still visits, when its his turn to have his kids (never with his fiancee) still puts his feet up and relaxes, whilst me and my husband host. He always seems to brag about the exotic holidays he goes on with his fiancee (never with his kids) and I just find him really irritating tbh. He even went out with my husband whilst I looked after all 6 kids whilst pregnant in the summer and in his drunken state he pee'd all over my new sofa! He then had the cheek to deny it the next day, sat there stinking of urine. I tolerate his visits for my daughters relationship with her cousin and to avoid another fallout, but it is literally now only a few times a year.
Cut to his wedding. He is marrying at a beautiful venue with only 6 rooms for guests. He suggested I book a room for my family in a hotel within walking distance and gave me the name of a "nice" hotel and to try and book this one because the other one "wasn't that nice". Anyway, its turns out, he booked rooms for a couple of my other siblings and their partners at the "nice" hotel beforehand and by the time he told me about it, it was fully booked and the only room available was in the rubbish one! There is another sibling of ours, who he also hasn't bothered to find anywhere for close by, but is annoyed that this sibling too has decided to drive home. There were spaces at a budget hotel about 2 miles away but I thought it would be easier to drive up and down in a day. More of the same shit treatment. My husband is now staying at home to look after the baby who hardly sleeps and without a room close by to take him back to, it just seemed like too gruelling a day. So I'm driving up with my two eldest. He expected everyone to stay the night of the wedding, and even the night before too, so everyone could have a good party. He wasn't happy when I said I wasn't staying over. So he turned round the other night and came out with some cock and bull that they have some spare rooms at the wedding venue where I could stay the night before the wedding, never mentioned this when my husband was supposed to be coming, (maybe some people must have dropped out and I'm getting paranoid) how our daughters would love it, blah blah blah. Yes, I've no doubt that our daughters would love it but that doesn't work for me as I'm still breastfeeding at night and a night before and a whole next day at the wedding means I'll be away from the baby for almost 2 nights and I don't want to stop breastfeeding just so my brother will have a playmate for his daughter the night before his wedding! He never makes me feel very nice about myself (every interaction with him makes me feel like a loser)
it doesn't help that I have a 4 month old and am extremely tired. But I also think why the bloody hell should I put myself out for you when you treat me so badly?? I would have expected that as I have a baby he should have taken the trouble to book a room for my family too. AIBU? Feeling very emotional and overwhelmed at the mo.

OP posts:
Adora10 · 30/11/2018 11:30

Poor you, and I agree he should give you some priority but, he doesn't, he's lazy selfish and takes full advantage of your kindness; you know this already so it's no big surprise he's being like this now.

Do what suits you OP, showing respect for their big day also but don't put yourself out too much to suit him; he wouldn't and hasn't done anything for you. Btw, you sound bloody wonderful, a great mum and a great capable lady.

Trinity66 · 30/11/2018 11:32

No you're not BU at all, in your position I would go to the wedding and come home early and limit contact with him after that. You shouldn't stand for people treating you with such disrespect, even if he is your brother and if he asks you, tell him exactly why.

fluffy71 · 30/11/2018 11:41

Thank you Adora10 for you kind words of support. I was past caring about him and his selfish ways but I think lack of sleep is sending me back to the way I felt about him years ago.

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Snowwontbelong · 30/11/2018 11:45

Op I predict d&v arriving very close to the day...
Send a card.
And an empty one at that.
He is a cf.
And a nasty one imo.

user1484424013 · 30/11/2018 16:31

Do not for to the wedding. Fuck it. You will come home feeling like shit a d for what... Some twatwho pissed on your Setee. Brother or not no bloody way

SandyY2K · 30/11/2018 16:40

He's very selfish. Might be why he split with his Ex.

Baking101 · 30/11/2018 16:55

He pissed on your sofa? Did he pay for a new one?

Don't bother going. He doesn't care about having his family there, he just wants to use your daughter as a playmate and to keep his daughter away from him essentially. He probably wants you running errands for him too all day.

fluffy71 · 30/11/2018 18:10

No he certainly didn't offer to pay anything, just denied it, claimed it was water whilst stinking like a vagrant. 😖Fortunately it is burgundy velvet and has recovered with some elbow grease. Though I was raging about it to my husband! I think he may got off on doing that as he noticed when he arrived that day that it was new. He knows I'll try to avoid another fallout. The last time we fell out he said I was a coward and insane. Abusive dick. However, he can also be very charming and gregarious, so maybe his fiancee only see's the nice side of him?

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Hellywelly10 · 30/11/2018 19:54

How long will it take you to get to the venue op?

Lollypop701 · 30/11/2018 20:05

Honestly do whatever suits you. Forever. The wedding, him staying over. If you’re happy to go for day, then go home that’s fine. he’s lucky. You don’t need to agree to what he wants. Your wants and needs are not lower down the scale... he just knows the buttons to press do you feel they are... YOU need to be a good host(no he should be a great guest) YOU should go all out to make his wedding fabulous (no he should make you feel like you are a guest that is making his day more special by being with him and his new wife to celebrate). He should not ignore your dh (who he’s happy to get drunk with). Good luck

user1493413286 · 30/11/2018 20:10

In this situation I would put yourself first and do what suits you and your family.

Ariesgirl1988 · 30/11/2018 20:17

Just wow! after the couch pissing incident I would have let rip and told him about his behaviour! OP don't allow him to treat you this way he has more or less told you with his behaviour how little he thinks of you, booking rooms for other family members but not you yet now he needs something from you he suddenly wants you to stay over night? fuck that tell him these are the arrangements I've made and I'm sticking to them sorry if its an inconvenience to you but I have a young baby to get back home for and leave it at that.

After wedding don't bother with him if he invites himself round say its not a good time sorry and only take his calls if you want if he asks what the problem is tell him straight I am no longer tolerating your behaviour so if you can't be nice and respectful then I'm afraid I can't have you in my home and stick to it.

Ariesgirl1988 · 30/11/2018 20:19

@fluffy71 I'm curious how do the rest of your family get along with him? because someone as obnoxious and spiteful as him surely wouldn't have good relationships with the rest of the family unless they're all the same?

Belindabauer · 30/11/2018 20:19

Do what ever is best for you op.
Then limit his visits. Start saying no that doesn't work for me when he wants to visit.

MaggieFS · 30/11/2018 20:28

What on Earth is a family of origin?

pog100 · 30/11/2018 20:36

@MaggieFS I think you are kind of missing the point and being rude at the same time. It's obvious from context and name, the family she originates from, not the family she has created.

MaggieFS · 30/11/2018 21:33

Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude, assumed it was another acronym which only exists in mn land which I was yet to come across. Thank you for explaining.

fluffy71 · 30/11/2018 22:12

Yes I know he's a rotten human being and to think I once thought the world of him. Any upset I had over his leeching behaviour has sort of gone now (apart from last night when I was up every 2 hours!). I've thought to myself for the last few years, I know you don't like me or hubby, that's fine with me, just f### off and leave us alone! I would never visit someone who is so underwhelmed to see me. But he won't stop as long as he has to have his kids once a month. The rest of my family (mainly male) think he's the bee's knees, a real lad. He also shows alot more respect for them than me. I will go to the wedding for the day (a 4hr round trip) mainly for my daughters sake and leave as soon as is polite. I've told him this and he said he doesn't mind but knows the girls will be dissapointed! What a guy! Anyway, luckily I have a nice family Christmas ( not my FOO!) to look forward to before then!

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Ariesgirl1988 · 30/11/2018 22:17

@fluffy71 the reason he still visits is because like you said you and dh run round after him and he has a free babysitter for his kids, he keeps saying "oh the girls...this and that" like its for their benefit but its not its all for his. It obviously makes him feel good to come round your house be waited on hand and foot and make you feel like crap. I'm guessing the rest of your family either can't stand him and keep up appearances or they're just like him these toxic personalities always find one another Rolling My Eyes

fluffy71 · 30/11/2018 22:25

Yes there is a lot of toxicity in my family, but he's up there near the top of this warped hierarchy in my FOO. I've had counselling over it and its really helped, its only every so often now that he presses my buttons. If I reasonably challenged him again in a non confrontational way ( like oh can you please not saturate my brand new sofa with your piss) we probably wouldnt speak again for a few years, which might be for the best. Warped I know!!

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Baking101 · 30/11/2018 23:57

Overly charming people usually are assholes underneath. He's proving my point well.

timeisnotaline · 01/12/2018 00:23

It’s one event with all sorts of things going on your daughter won’t love. I wouldn’t shoehorn her in to make his dds day more fun and selfish loser brothers day easier. Just come down with d&v like pps say, tell him you’re so sorry. He might guess but who cares? He won’t fall out with you as he wants to send his daughter to yours.
And next time he’s over I’d make any food get it yourself type and be all ‘dh glass of wine? And not offer him. If he says I’d like some be all friendly- sure it’s just over there, help yourself. But stop doing anything for him.

SandyY2K · 01/12/2018 08:38

He has kids once a month and really doesn't seem to spend quality time with them...preferring to bring them to your house.

Can you not keep the cousins relationship going with your Ex SIL?
That way you can block him coming to your place...just say it's not convenient for a couple of months on the trot... you have an event on hubby's side of the family to go to.

fluffy71 · 01/12/2018 11:32

Well this is a whole other thread...he visits about 3/4 times a year and I put him off on about another 4 visits too. On a weekly basis he has his kids for 2 overnights a week, a whole weekend is not as often, hence he doesn't hassle me as much. He asked about visiting over the summer holidays (which I knew was coming) I said no as baby was 2 weeks old and daughter had a serious op the week before. All true! He said, its alright, we don't want to bother you we'll stay in a hotel. Then came in, went to football, dumped his daughter at my house for the whole day, then left to go to his hotel after football and lots of beers at my house at 11.30 at night. I had gone to bed by this time, I was on the verge of a nervous breakdown. My husband who I could've killed suggested he come round for lunch the next day!! I texted him and said no, I tired you can't come for lunch. He texted back and said oh daughter left earphones at your's, can we come in quickly and get them? Stayed for another 1.5 hours and bragged about his child free holidays, whilst I stayed in my room and cried. Urgh, even writing it down, makes me sooo upset. He hasn't attempted to visit since.

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Cawfee · 01/12/2018 17:10

He’s a selfish arsehole who only thinks about suiting himself. Stop giving him any consideration! Stop providing a playmate for his kid. Be done with it. Only let him stay if it suits you and start using the word “No” from now on. He has no respect for you and is a total user. Don’t go to the wedding if it doesn’t suit you. Do what you want. If he moans just say “this is what we are doing and that’s that”. Start standing up to him.

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