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Child contact demands when trying to leave

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orangecandle · 18/11/2018 09:04

I think this is going to be lengthy so if you manage to read to the end, thank you.

I’ve been with my partner for 6 yrs. we have a 1 year old and he has another teenage child who lives with us 75% of the time.

He is controlling and emotionally abusive and I need to leave before I completely break down. Examples are pressuring me into sex, telling me I need to lose weight then sulking when I start dieting/exercising accusing me of doing it for someone else. Telling me I’m a useless mum and can’t cope with our son (this is completely untrue). Stopping me from going out and more recently he’s started arguments about me going to work and wants me to work from home so he doesn’t have to help with nursery drop offs. There’s loads more.

He is capable of looking after the children but he does anything he can to avoid having our son on his own. He complains about doing nursery drop offs, won’t put him to bed, doesn’t change nappies, give him meals etc. He can and will do it if for any reason I’m not there but never willingly, if that makes sense. Apart from this there are no concerns over his parenting.

When he split with his previous wife he asked for their child to stay with him 4 nights a week, which they agreed on. They live very close to each other and the arrangement has worked for them. I have told him I want to leave him and he’s saying he wants the same arrangement for our child. My son is used to seeing me every day and night. We co sleep most nights and he was bf until very recently. I feel I can’t possibly be without him for any nights but understand I am going to have to be reasonable and expect overnight stays. It’s just not in his best interests though for him to be with him 4 nights. The thought of it makes me physically sick to a point where I’m desperately trying to pretend to want to save the relationship to avoid it but I don’t think I can take any more.

If I left I would need to live with my parents for a while until I could afford to rent somewhere, and they live 20 miles away, so logistically it would be difficult, however he’s not interested and wants 3 to 4 overnight stays and will not consider anything else. As we have joint PR I do not have a leg to stand on and I’m terrified.

I don’t know what to do. I just want to run away and hide from him forever but I know that’s not the answer. I genuinely think he is only doing it for control and I think he did this to his previous wife too (I’ve tried to subtly speak to her about it but wasn’t very successful so this is just a guess). I would really appreciate some advice from experience. Am I just going to have to suck it up and cope with his requests (or stay till my son is old enough to decide for himself?).

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NotTheFordType · 18/11/2018 10:17

telling me I need to lose weight then sulking when I start dieting/exercising accusing me of doing it for someone else

This has raised goose bumps. Is he from south wales?

Lollypop701 · 18/11/2018 10:19

I have no advice to give, Hopefully some one will be along soon op

Mooey89 · 18/11/2018 10:21

Oh love.
I totally get it. When I left my ex he said I could only leave if I left my 6mo baby with him.
Obviously I didn’t. He said he would get full custody because I was neglectful, unstable blah blah.

Anyway.
I did leave, I took the baby, I stayed with my mum for a bit, before I got my own place with the baby.
That baby is nearly 6 now. He stays with his dad every other weekend, this is court ordered after he took me to court for joint custody. We have an order stipulating that he lives with me.

I would think about getting some legal advice and take notes and get evidence of anything that will help.

Isitweekendyet · 18/11/2018 10:22

Pack a bag, take your baby and run.

Honestly, OP, I went cold reading this, he's trying to block you into staying.

Wait until he's at work so there isn't any upset and just get away to your parents; if he turns up call the police - you need to get far, far away from this awful man.

Further to that, he can apply through the courts for contact. He will not get four nights a week contact for a one year old and it will take time to establish court cases. Try and gather evidence.

He doesn't run this show; he has beaten you down emotionally to think it's his way or the high way. OP, you can leave with your son any time you want to.

GreenTulips · 18/11/2018 10:22

I don't think they would allow overnight for another year

Seek some legal advice

PookieDo · 18/11/2018 10:26

Leave ASAP and get some legal advice before agreeing to anything!
You don’t have to have this agreement in place now, this will take time
4 nights means he won’t have to pay you child support so this is probably his intention

Anythingforacatslife · 18/11/2018 10:33

Leave and wait until he takes it to court.

SimplyPut · 18/11/2018 10:33

Take a personal/sick day tomorrow. Put your son to your mums and have your dad/siblings and any friends you trust over as soon as it's clear to help you fill cars and go.

Take your documents, passports, bank statements, bank cards/books.
Take all your belongings and your sons that you can fit. He does not sound like he would be reasonable if you need to go back to collect anything.

In 48hrs you could be waking up in a safe and loving home. Good luck!

user1484424013 · 19/11/2018 12:22

Just tell him to fuck off....

KeysHairbandNotepad · 19/11/2018 12:29

Now I may be wrong (please get some proper legal advice) but you should be able to get something called a prohibited steps order to stop him from taking your child when you leave. Everything should then go through family court.

I say this because that's what I was advised to do just over 10 years ago when exh threatened me like this when I said I wanted to split.

My advice to you is to quietly get legal advice and start to put your documents in a safe place. Leave when he's out of house and take everything with you that is important as you might not see the rest of your belongings for a long time.

You can do this.

Somerville · 19/11/2018 12:40

You younger your child is when you leave this man, the better it will be. For a whole heap of reasons.

BertieBotts · 19/11/2018 12:41

You do not have to consent to overnight contact if your child has never been separated from you at night. A court would not start from a point of 50/50 just because he has parental responsibility. They start with looking at who the main carer is, which sounds like it would be you.

Abusive men often act as though they can call the shots here e.g. "not agreeing to" anything else but it's not about what he wants, it's about what is best for the child. At the age of one short and frequent visits are preferred anyway, not half the week at a time.

I'd also cynically wonder if he wants 4 nights as that means he's legally entitled to claim any child benefits/tax credits and wouldn't need to pay maintenance.

FearLoveAndTheTimeMachine · 19/11/2018 12:43

Definitely seek legal advice OP, call a solicitor for a free half hour chat. With respect, he’s not the one who gets to decide on the custody arrangement; if you can’t agree between you the courts will decide what they think is fair. I wonder why he thinks he has the legal power to make the decision when he very obviously doesn’t?

lovetherisingsun · 19/11/2018 13:08

OP, go be loved and happy and safe with your mum and dad. You can end this life with him, right now.he is utterly vile. Gingerbread is a great charity that can help advise you xx

crappyday2018 · 19/11/2018 13:39

Why do you assume what he says is right? Its a threat to either make you stay, or get out of maintenance.
Realistically he couldn't cope with 4 nights anyway if he can't even do the basics for your son now.
My ex used to threaten me all the time with the kids - never once followed through.
Leave and take your child. Tell him if he wants 4 nights he better get a solicitor.

TimeToRevolutionize · 19/11/2018 14:35

Yes that is the answer. You need to pack yours and your DS bags and leave. Fast! Do you have family that live far away who he doesn't know/doesn't know where they live? You will be entitled to housing as well as you've got a 1 year old. You have to do this. You don't deserve to be trapped. Come on, be strong! Please leave this man.

bibliomania · 19/11/2018 16:16

You don't have to agree to this. I agree that you should take your baby and go. You will have to reach some contact agreement (or have it decided in court), but it doesn't necessarily have to be 4 nights. The courts value continuity for the child, so if you're currently the main carer, that will be taken into account.

Cawfee · 20/11/2018 03:53

You don’t have to agree to 4 nights. Why should he get 4 nights and you get 3? That’s not 50/50 anyway. He’s only doing that so he doesn’t have to pay any child support. How will he exactly look after a baby that much when he does nothing right now? Just go to your parents and go see a solicitor. Contact rights for women and women’s aid. Get as much advice and help as you can. Don’t let fear stop you leaving.

Villagelifer · 20/11/2018 04:15

Don't agree to anything OP. Don't talk to him about it and seek legal advice asap.
He sounds like a nasty piece of work.

Isitweekendyet · 20/11/2018 16:16

Hope you’re ok m, OP x

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