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I’m terrified that my marriage might be ending and I’m not main carer

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Gombrich · 17/11/2018 10:38

DH and I have a 4 year old not yet at school. I work FT and DH very part time.

I think I’m going to have to split. I’m so unhappy, he’s increasingly being such an arsehole to me and I really don’t think I can live like this.

I don’t know what to do though. The mortgage is large (I pay all of it) and it’s all so complicated. I feel so trapped and scared. I can’t just move out and leave DS, I can’t think what to do. There’s no way he’ll move out either.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 17/11/2018 10:42

You need to seek legal advice re ending your marriage. I would also suggest you contact Womens Aid too on 0808 2000 247.
Abusive men often refuse to move out, its another way of trying to maintain the power and control.

You deserve better and so does your son; he cannot afford to grow up seeing his dad keep on abusing you as his mother. Its no legacy to leave him.

Badliar · 17/11/2018 10:47

Get legal advice. You can divorce him while still living together if you absolutely have to and all the finances/house etc will be sorted alongside. Do you think he would want to be main carer for your dc?

Wherearemymarbles · 17/11/2018 10:48

If he is the primary carer he would feel he has every right to stay.

You need legal advise.

Gombrich · 17/11/2018 11:11

I’m not sure if he would want to be main carer. It’s about 50/50 in reality. DS is in childcare 3 days a week and DH does the extra 2 days in the week and I do the two weekend days. We don’t do much as a 3. DH has no earning potential really so don’t know what would happen. It’s such a hideous mess.

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Pebblesandfriends · 17/11/2018 11:19

Seek advice, record what you do childcare wise for a month in case he tries to say he is main carer. You will probably have to sell up and move somewhere smaller because you are married so he will be entitled to half. If he can't afford his own place he:s going to have to get a job. You may have to drop your hours or pay for more childcare but he should balso start contributing to this. Good luck op Flowers

Gombrich · 17/11/2018 16:10

How does anyone manage this. It seems like such an impossible hill to climb.

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oiiiiiii · 17/11/2018 16:14

I was in a somewhat similar situation. But my DC were in childcare M-F.

Get legal advice. You need to be strategic. Ultimately though, 50/50 is typically the goal unless you're dealing with babies/toddlers.

Badliar · 17/11/2018 16:16

Sorry op but it’s always messy separating lives especially with children in the mix. A solicitor will advise and guide you through it.

Gombrich · 17/11/2018 16:38

Rationally I know that people must do it all the time I just don’t know where to start.

I wish I could just make him speak to me. I don’t need much in a marriage but I can’t take the coldness. He hasn’t spoken to me since 8.30 this morning.

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Gombrich · 17/11/2018 16:41

Sorry I know I’m pathetic.

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in2dagroove · 17/11/2018 16:51

You are not pathetic to want a better marriage/relationship, after all isn't that what everyone aims for? If he refuses to engage with you he is being unreasonable .

lljkk · 17/11/2018 17:03

You already pay all the mortgage so you don't need him, financially, is that right?

Childcare sounds like the first challenge. Can your DH move in with friends or back with his family temporarily?

StripeyDeckchair · 17/11/2018 23:17

When I left my ex he wasn't working and hadn't for about 2 years but he had refused to do any childcare so even though he was at home (doing fuck all) I had to pay for childcare.

I proved that I paid for everything - our mortgage was based solely on my earnings - and because I was having the children (then 18 months) and would have to provide a home for them I got the majority of equity in the house.

FredaNerkk · 18/11/2018 12:34

OP- don't be too scared about the future. Actually you DO have options. You can work on your marriage, and/or you can work on ending your marriage. Neither is easy, but both can eventually have good outcomes.

Since you are most unsure about post-divorce here is a sense of what it can be like..... It is very challenging, but lots of us manage it and it will be OK!

[of course you should get RL legal advice ]

The Unpleasant Difficult part....

  1. you will go through a horrible period when you ask a solicitor to announce separation/divorce and you and STBXH (soon to be ex husband) live separated under the same roof while the child arrangements and finances get agreed. (Neither of you can force the other to move out, and until you have an agreement on parenting arrangements it would be practically impossible for you to move with your child). There is a horrible atmosphere 24/7. You take steps to ring fence time with DC and financial risk. e.g. make sure you are around approx 50% of the time for your DC, don't let DH claim all the weekends or force you to work later or longer in order to call into question your ability to be home for DC. Cut back your work hours to what is manageable with the stress of divorce, and which enables you to be 'present' for DC. Take a mortgage 'holiday' if you can and need, or switch to interest free mortgage. End any joint accounts and provide STBXH with money each month --- ask a solicitor how much you should be giving him and get the solicitor to write a letter explaining the basis on which the money is being paid (e.g. only until a financial split is agree/decided)
  2. you will probably get 50:50 care of your child if you do decide to split (and that will be 50:50 during the week and 50:50 weekends). Hopefully your STBXH will see the writing on the wall, and you can agree a pattern of 50:50 care relatively quickly. To do this, you or your solicitor will point out that your child will be at school 5 days a week relatively soon, and it is in your child's best interest to spend at least 50% of time with mum, especially as (hopefully) you will be able to set up your work so that you can be around for DC not too late in the afternoon on the days that your DC spends with you. e.g. no later than 4.30/5/5.30pm on the days with you. It would be best for this to be as early as humanly possible for your child; you can extend your work hours when they are a bit older and/or the divorce arrangements are firmly in place).
  3. one of the points of conflict could be which school your DC commences with. Presumably you will be applying in January 2019? Think about whether you want to discuss preferred schools with 'D'H before or after you announce the marriage is over,
  4. if there is no proof of adultery, another point of conflict is whether you seek a divorce based on 'unreasonable' behaviour or wait for the time to pass after which you both 'consent' to divorce. Talk to a solicitor about this.
  5. your current asset and debts will probably be split 50:50. This might not be the case if your marriage has been short and you had significantly different finances prior to the marriage
  6. each of you will have less money after you split, and so perhaps you will have to make do with a smaller not-so-nice house, and less cash for holidays etc. (Spend time browsing website about how to decorate and organise small family houses/apartments - it will make you feel better ; )
  7. If you've been married quite a long time, he might get a solicitor who argues that you should give him part of your pension entitlements that you've earned to date, and/or pay him some spousal maintenance on top of the 50:50 split. Talk to your solicitor. Rather than fight to the death trying to oppose it - it might be easiest and simplest to offer a bit of a lump sum in lieu, making sure that your solicitor stipulates that the deal is a final once-and-for-all-order. Try to see it as buying your way to freedom and the cost of avoiding a long drawn out process. Both of these are very valuable for you, and since you have a good earning potential, you will get over the chagrin.

NOW the good bits - after you get the above out of the way:
8) you rent/buy a place for you and your DC to move into. Even something simple and run down can be a place where you can be happy when you are together and where you can potter happily when your DC is not with you. If finances are tight after you split - you might want to rent while you get your finances back in order, and figure out what you can afford if you buy
9) you decorate your new home with pictures, furniture, crockery, soft furnishings that make you feel happy (this is so liberating and not difficult)
10) you enjoy conflict days in your own home day-after-day, month-after-month. This is also wonderful.
11) you don't worry about what sort of housing/new life your exH organises. He might move into a small box because that's all he can afford or he might surprise you and move in with a wealthy woman or his parents. Don't let yourself get drawn into the drama of his new life. His life is his. You can't control it. Your DC will inevitably be part of it, but you still can't control it. His new woman might play happy families with your DC. Don't worry - DC will still love you and in a very special way. The new woman will be more like an auntie. Or the new woman may be unkind to your DC. Again don't worry. In time it might work out in your favour because you can offer to have DC more of the time, to give exH more time with new woman. Try to teach your DC the emotional skills to deal with whatever life throws up.
12) you stick to the agreed pattern of care for DC. You do simple homely things together while DC gets used to the new arrangements and finds their feet at school. Watch TV together, play cards, read books, go to the park, go to the movies, cook, shop for clothes. You don't have to yield to another adult's demands. You just plan your day with your DC purely to suit the two of you. This is marvellous and you can have such happy times.

13) You keep contact with your DH absolutely minimal, unless it feels useful and conflict free to have more contact.
14) you find a therapist and talk a lot about what led to your first marriage, why it went wrong, who you are, and what you want for you and your DC. This is really positive and helpful for making you a better parent and a stronger, happier, person.
15) you hope to god that DC is happy when they are with their father. But you remember that whether they have been lucky or not in the father-stakes, there is nothing you can do to change the identity of their biological father, and unless he is abusive - there will be positives in your DC having a relationship with their father, and over the years, your DC will get the measure of the real him.
16) you start spending more time with existing friends, new friends, family, hobbies. Your feel stronger and more able to change the things you can control and accept the things you can't control.
17) and eventually you might try OLD. Who knows, you might meet a new and better love on your first date. (I did!)

In time, you realise that divorce was one of the the hardest but best things you did for you and your DC.

Gombrich · 18/11/2018 17:19

Thank you so much for that post that’s so helpful.

Honestly my fantasy is just a simple drama free life without walking on eggshells.

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Gombrich · 18/11/2018 17:30

I’ve copied it into my phone to refer back to.

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Racecardriver · 18/11/2018 17:32

I would suggest putting your child into childcare full time and telling your DH that he has to get a proper job.

Kerberos · 18/11/2018 17:41

I'm exactly where you are. ExDP and I have been separated for a year. We're cohabiting as he's unable and unwilling to support himself. I don't know where to go from here.
@fredanorkk your post above is excellent. Thanks for the inspiration.

CheggarsPlaysPlop · 18/11/2018 18:36

fredanorkk what an amazing and empowering post. Lovely. Going through it myself. So very difficult having to live with someone that you are scared of and have checked out with emotionally. I am not married but in a similar situation. Being taken to the cleaners financially. I have always worked but he is very wealthy and been 'main carer' (not worked) although I actually juggled childcare and jobs. He has done nothing domestically and all these years has been feathering his nest so is in a very strong position. Please get out and start again. You can support yourself and your little one x

FredaNerkk · 18/11/2018 23:58

Really pleased to hear my post helped a few.

Kerberos and Cheggars - you could try starting a new post for some specific info. You might find it helpful to post in 'divorce' or 'legal' or 'relationships'. If you can put a bit more info about your particular situation without outing, you might get some tips from MNetters who work in family law.

OP - it sounds like you might want to look into "walking on eggshells" as an issue. Lots of info online and you might also get a lot of helpful responses if you posted on that specific topic. It's horrible.

It won't be your fault - but these sorts of relationships (where one person feels like they are walking on eggshells) tend to 'find' people (the walker) who don't understand good "personal boundaries. So that is something else you might want to look into. i.e. what it means to have good personal boundaries, what your own personal boundaries are on various issues, why respecting and caring for your own boundaries helps a marriage/partnership, how one implements one's own and tunes into other peoples' boundaries, the difference between reasonable/fair compromise and failing to protect your own boundaries, why you might need to extricate yourself from situations where your boundaries are enduringly incompatible with another person's (e.g. a spouse, relative, co-worker), etc. In some ways it might sound like mumbo-jumbo, but it really does help to understand these things.

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