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Advice please on how to handle my relationship

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HalfDutchGirl · 15/11/2018 11:45

Apologies long post, bear with me. I've had a bad few years, my Mum died very suddenly 2 years ago at the time there were problems with my long term (13 years) relationship and he said he didn't love me any more. We stumbled through 10 months with me trying to make things right as I was still in love with him and he kept telling me it would be ok. Then, whilst on holiday, he confessed (because he had to) that he'd been seeing someone else for over a year. I was completely heartbroken obviously, my trust in men was shattered once again (my marriage broke up after him leading a double life for 4 years!) but with the help of friends and determination I've tried to get myself back on track.

Started online dating and in August met a lovely guy, we clicked and both came off OLD. He is very busy with work (works nights), his son (15 and lives with him and is an inspiring sportsman which takes up a lot of time), doing up his house etc, and so time spent with him isn't the easiest but he was upfront from day one and I said I could deal with this as I have a busy life (I don't work at the moment but have a lot of friends and play sport and also do some voluntary work).

His back story is that he was very hurt by his girlfriend of over two years who he split from in February. She couldn't deal with the time restraints he always had and I believe, from what I've deduced, couldn't deal with his close relationship with his son (who apparently didn't like her). From what he's said, this broke his heart and he didn't actually imagine he would meet anyone else.

We've had to deal with a lot of time apart, we've both had pre-booked holidays and obviously the time constraints have proved difficult however we have managed to see each other as much as we can and a couple of weeks ago he introduced me to his son (which I know was a big deal). It goes without saying that I like him a huge amount and have always worn my heart on my sleeve, I've never been one to play games and am probably too open with my feelings. However, I ensure I don't come across as needy and am bright and bubbly when I'm with him.

My problem is his lack of affection and me actually not having a clue how he feels about me. My ex was very tactile and would always say that he loved me and would text sweet things etc. I grew up in a household with no real love and affection and so I admit to craving constant reassurance and so now dealing with someone who doesnt give this I find extremely difficult and to be honest makes me sad. He messages me every day but generally just generic stuff and I've got so paranoid I end up seeing how many kisses he puts on the end! When he was away recently he drunk text me some lovely things ie. I miss you so so so much, but anything like that is pretty much non-existent when he's sober! We've been out and about where he lives and he's shown me around his sports club, he comes over to mine as well and we have fun when together.

Sex with him is fabulous and very loving, and afterwards he is very cuddly and affectionate but, like yesterday, when it's time he has to go he just gets up gets dressed, with no "I'm sorry I've got to go" and a kiss or something. He gave me a huge hug and kiss just before he left but then walks out the front door and goes without a backward look. He never says anything like, 'you look gorgeous' or 'lovely' or anything. Yesterday I told him I missed him whilst he was away (in a jokey way) he didn't say anything so I said 'oi this is when you're supposed to say you missed me!', he replied 'don't fish' and then said 'actions and words' which I took to mean that his actions speak more than words.

So, I do wonder whether he is just holding back to protect himself from more hurt. He talks about stuff we'll do in the future, places to go etc but nothing is set in stone and I'm just finding it all incredibly difficult. Yesterday he said 'lets just see how it goes' when I mentioned something about us.

I know I'm giving it all far too much headspace and probably if I was working full time again it wouldn't affect me like it is but I find I'm just so sad and miserable at a time when I should actually be enjoying this relationship. As an aside both my grown up children have both recently left home so, I admit to being pretty lonely and sad about that too, not helped by the fact I've no other family.

Am I asking too much? Is it me that has the problem? Do some men find it difficult to show their emotions especially if they've been hurt in the past? What should I do to try and make this better for me?
Many thanks x

OP posts:
ValMc1 · 15/11/2018 21:59

Half - my exH was always showering me with affection/love you/flowers/jewellery etc - he turned out to be a total w**ker. The man I'm with now is the opposite and really isn't affectionate in the conventional sense - however practically every day he does something random that lets me know he really has me in his thoughts. I know what I prefer!! Affection comes in many different forms - your man sounds lovely and meeting his son is a very big deal I think - enjoy him for who he is.

Butterfly44 · 15/11/2018 22:22

A light conversation about affection could be had? My ex couldn't show emotion and it definitely led to our break up. I knew he'd never change...it wasn't his character. I on the other hand really need it, more so as I've got older.
Communication is key...have a little chat about it. If your fundamentally different it may be a problem. If it's something yet to come or that he'll work with on, that's great.

oiiiiiii · 15/11/2018 22:51

You are expecting a lot.

If a man I barely knew (by my reckoning, it takes 12-18 months of regular contact to start to really know someone) started telling me how he missed me and how lovely I was etc. i would assume he was love bombing me, or that he was imagining the person he hoped I was, rather than actually responding to me as a person. It would greatly put me off.

Any feelings you have for this guy at present are based on your hopes and assumptions. You don't know him. Any declarations of like, lust, love, etc. are more than likely based on fantasy. It sounds like he has the maturity to know this but you don't quite get it yet.

If you want someone who will follow the script of what you're "meant" to say to a woman in order to keep her interested - it sounds like this guy isn't for you.

My dp took well over a year to begin to verbally express his feelings for me. I appreciated that he went at his own pace and didn't force anything. It meant that when he said it, he actually meant it.

JMO

HalfDutchGirl · 15/11/2018 23:09

oiiii yes, I agree. I think I've been so clouded by the actions of my ex that I've become 'brainwashed' to think that was the norm and this thread has made me realise that isn't completely true, plus it has reminded me that in loads of other ways my ex was a total knob. And I don't want someone like again!

I spoke to the guy on the phone earlier and realised that actually he is being affectionate just not in the way I am used to. It's thanks to responses on this thread that I actually took note of the fact he spoke about getting together with his son some point soon to all play sport together and then he was the one that talked about when we next meet up and said if the weathers good we could go to the beach for a walk. Things my ex would never suggest...those sort of ideas always came from me.

OP posts:
wishywashy6 · 16/11/2018 00:09

@HalfDutchGirl
They're the things that should affirm in your mind that he's serious about you and sees you in his future

Glad you're feeling a bit better about things ☺️

fuddle · 16/11/2018 07:24

How far away do you live from each other? How much time to do you spend with each other when together, you said its weekly? This would cause me anxiety I see my boyfriend 2/3 times a week. Do you speak much when not together. There are no rules here but you have to be happy with this relationship. Listen to your gut. I think you've had some excellent advice here. I believe yes actions are important but also what he says. I'm still intrigued by the woman that broke his heart. How long was he with her for? Does he still have feelings for her. Has he said he's over her. It's the kind of thing you talk about. I wouldn't be worried about an ex just how well he's communicating about his feelings.

BundyLancroft · 16/11/2018 10:00

OP it is very hard not to overthink and overanalyse, I know this!

From the subsequent things you've said, I would change my previous view a little and advise you just to chill the fuck out and enjoy it for now!! Maybe if you initiated the demonstrative affection, he will reciprocate a little more, and then you'll be reassured. Best of luck anyway. The start of a new relationship is such a rush of feelings and newness and excitement, that it can be overwhelming but also amazing. Enjoy getting to know him more, and becoming more important in his life as he is clearly wanting you to.

@oiiiiii there's going slow and there's what you say! Waiting 12 to 18 months sounds like both parties would give up flogging the horse by that point if they haven't said that they even like each other!

Adora10 · 16/11/2018 10:47

Just be careful your gut is not telling you something about this guy; I don't think you sound needy, his comments about don't fish, and we'll see would actually make me wonder if his intentions were the same as mine; you've not said any of that have you, in fact you have told him you miss him, nothing wrong with saying that, but you are not getting it back?

I'd carry on and see how it pans out but I'd also not be daft enough to allow anyone to string me along if it's not leading anywhere.

Adora10 · 16/11/2018 10:49

And sorry but words do matter a lot in the early stages of a relationship, it's all you have to go as you haven't spent a lot of time together to assess any actions.

No compliments at this stage is a bit shit tbh.

fuddle · 16/11/2018 15:35

Yes I agree if it isn't like this at the beginning when will it be?

oiiiiiii · 16/11/2018 19:26

@BundyLancroft of course we liked each other, it was obvious. There was no need to announce it to each other. we just didn't make declarations about missing each other, wishing we were together, being in love, etc. until those sorts of feelings were strong.

when you are busy, have your own life, don't spend every moment together from the word go, and aren't obsessively trying to manufacture intimacy (wondering how the other feels, analysing every little thing, etc.), things can go much slower than people feel they're "meant" to. and there's nothing wrong with that

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