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I'm distraught by his behaviour...still....

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babygoose48 · 14/11/2018 17:02

Hi everyone.

Please go easy on me, im not looking for advice really because I know what I need to do, but my councilling session isn't until next week now and I really need a go to :(

Regular poster will probably remember my 'being treated like a mug' thread in September and my other threads where basically I have been living with my partner of 4 years who is the ultimate of ultimate of the entitled 'man child' who also put me through a summer of hell by being emotionally manipulative and nasty to me on purpose.

I have been in therapy over this to try and get my head straight (I was having a hard time accepting and not believing that someone I loved could do this to me) and im on my third week next week.

So basically it all ended with me confronting him crying hysterically 6 weeks ago and saying I didn't want this anymore and I couldn't cope. I told him about the anxiety and dreading coming home and he got really mad when I said I thought he was bullying me on purpose and denying it.

So it took him a month of being really helpful around the house, making sure I was supportive and just being a lovely perfect, compassionate partner.

And then the games started last week again.

We go and pay for shopping in alternate weeks, but ever since we moved in I have been having to nag and remind him he needs to get shopping in on his weeks. The week before, I thought I'd leave him and trust him to take the initiative to go himself without me nagging.

Fast forward 8 days later, he still hadn't gone shopping. I had bought little bits in fresh for me to take to work, meanwhile he was complaining nightly that there was nothing decent in to eat. He asked me what we was happening for food that night and I pretty much said 'ill have the rest of the fries, you have the turkey dinosaurs' (LOL) as that's how stripped out we was. He went to order a take away, 2nd time that weekend and I complained about money with xmas and other family birthdays coming up and that we would have spent as much on food shipping on two nights of take away alone and that he cant keep putting the food shop off. He sulked and put the oven on.

In short, it took him TWO hours to get these chips and dinosaurs cooked, not bothering to put the food in after he'd warmed them up and then later with me anxiously stressing about the oven and checking on it (his turn to cook that night also). I realised at 9.30pm that he had put the oven on really low and therefore food was taking ages. We finally ate at 10pm. He seemed a bit off. I asked him if he was okay and he looked at me strange and said 'Yeah babe, why?' as if I was making it all up.

Fast forward to the next day I was laughing to my collegues at work about him not having the oven on high enough and not eating until really late at night. As I was telling this story I realised that he was doing it on purpose, and id left really anxious about the situation the night before and feeling like crap as he would be pretending to watch tv and 'forgetting' about the food.

I confronted him about it, and he directly told me he did it on purpose because he was mad that he had to eat turkey dinosaurs for dinner.

I asked whos fault that was (meaning him - shopping being put off).

He said it was mine because I stopped him from ordering a take away, and hed have a nice tea if I hadn't have complained (!!!)

He had purposely left me hungry until 10pm to punish me. (in my defense, I cook 5 nights of the week, it was his turn, another thing he avoids to do because he knows if he doesn't mention it I will give in and cook)

He was really nice again after he'd realised I caught him out with being sly and manipulating the situation to get me angry - I know it sounds stupid but I really don't realise at the time its happening that he's playing games - its usually when I reflect later about the situation that I have a light bulb moment.

Anyway, this month I am taking part on a project that is very important to me and runs every November. He had gotten jealous in the past that my attention (at least two hours work a night is needed to 'win' this project, it requires me to post updates on my work every night, is a good career boost and is a very challenging but rewarding thing, especially with working full time with one DD!).

On Saturday he had the weekend off (he normally works 6 days) and I asked him to help with the housework whilst I worked on this project and caught up from the week (DD at her dads). He had booked a round of golf in sunday and wanted to go to the pub to see his friends after, and I had DD sunday and knew I wouldn't be able to get any work done with her and catching up with the housework. He said okay, and then had an engagement do later on which he packed a bag for and left about 2pm.

When I went downstairs all he had done was wash up (but didn toffer to wash my plate so I also washed up) and he'd left the recycling by the door rather than putting it away because he couldn't find the shed key. I was mortified - The vaccuming, polishing, bedding washes, kitchen floor was full of cat litter and cat food, bathroom was a state etc would all be left to me on Sunday. So I was upset about that but never said anything.

Anyway on sunday night, he'd been out all day and I messaged asking what time he'd be home for tea and I didn't get a reply until 5.30pm... saying that after gold at 1pm he skipped the pub BUT went back to his mums and he'd been in bed all day! Knowing full well that I had DD, a house full of shit to sort out (I even messaged him at dinner asking how golf was and that the kitchen was a state and that I was that tired I'd felt hungover etc) AND HE KNEW I HAD THE PROJECT TO DO!

I went absolutely sick at him. Called him selfish and that he couldn't even think of me at home doing all this and juggling things, knowing he could have offered to help instead of bailing out. I was absolutely fuming. I was at the housework for about 4-5 hours, so I told him I'd left the bathroom and he can do that when he gets home.

He got home, got a beer and sat on his arse until about 9pm until I came downstairs and confronted him. No intention of doing the bathroom. Wrong of me but I flipped and kept saying 'im fucking sick of doing everything, fucking sick of being treated like a mug.@ He told me to fuck off and went upstairs and scrubbed the bathroom. I went to do my project, didn't get to bed until 11.30pm sunday night.

Sorry I am droaning on here im just trying to explain it all. went to work, text him about me getting shopping and two days later he hadn't text me back. I got home last night and he was at home early. Turns out he'd been off work for two days and hadn't told me. Not a finger lifted in the house. Piles of dirty washing and boxers on the stairs, which had been there since Saturday and he kept adding to. I went mad again and asked him what he was playing at and why on earth didn't he tell me he had been having sick days off work, he said its nothing for me to get upset about, why should I be upset?

I said its because normal partners communicate with each other and I knew it was because I had had a go at him at the weekend and he was deliberately punishing me for it (he does it with every big argument we have). and that the piles of washing on the stairs we have argued about before, (where I have broke down and begged him to stop doing it) I said was disrespectful and that he knows I'd be upset about it. like an act of defiance sort of thing.

He said the reason why he didn't tell me he'd been off work is because I haven't asked about how his day?!

And then he said, and THAT's disrespectful!

He said that if I want to be upset about him making a mess, then that's MY problem.

I think it clocked there and then and I agreed and thought yes, because I am allowing myself to put up with his shit.

He also said that to be upset about a small pile of clothes is ridiculous, like he was mocking me. minimising it. I told him that its not about a pile of clothes, it was that he'd been doing it continuously for 5 months now when he knew it upset me because I'm the one who picks up after him.

He said if it causes me that much anxiety, would it be easier just to... pick them up?

I told him I didn't want to be with him anymore and hes punishin me on purpose again and he denied it. Told me I was the messy one (have you seen the kitchen drawers babygoose?!) Acted all nice and coy and he acted shocked and surprised. He got upset and played the victim then, all over again like he did 6 weeks ago.

I thought he went upstairs to pack. He didn't. When I got my work done for the night I went straight up to bed. I woke up with him cuddling me.

I feel like I am losing my mind.

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Hidingtonothing · 14/11/2018 21:02

You're allowed to be sad OP, you wouldn't be human if you weren't. Be sad for yourself though, it's not that he's changed from that 'kind and compassionate supportive guy', that was an act, this is the real him and you're bound to be sad (and angry, eventually) that the nice him was a lie. Don't be sad for him though, he doesn't deserve your sympathy.

chocolatebox1 · 14/11/2018 21:04

After I ended my marriage with someone who was very similar to OP's description I came to realise that I would sum it all up as "I loved the person I wanted you to be, but I hated the person you really are." There is nothing there to save OP. The person you want to be with is your DH, after a personality transplant - which would mean he'd be someone else. So please stop wasting your time hoping something will change. It won't.

Butterymuffin · 14/11/2018 21:09

Whose place is it? Send him away. He can go to his mum's, surely?

Tomboytown · 14/11/2018 21:11

It really doesn’t matter why he does this. Tbh, you will never know, and you could ruin your like trying to figure him out.
Why can’t you leave him?
Your normal is really not what a happy relationship is. Life’s too short

Bananalanacake · 14/11/2018 21:11

If he lives with you I hope he pays towards the rent. If he's got a bed at his mum's can't he stay there forever.

Zofloramummy · 14/11/2018 21:11

This isn’t a battle over housework in my eyes. It’s far more than that.

OnWeekendsImBeyonce · 14/11/2018 21:14

He’s gaslighting you.

He enjoys doing this so you won’t be able to get him to stop.

You need to leave.

Kaleela · 14/11/2018 21:15

He's replaced his mother with you and is gaslighting you whenever you fall out of line! Leave the bastard, it only gets worse. So much worse

babygoose48 · 14/11/2018 21:21

@zofloramummy

Oh my days I asked myself this exact thing a few weeks back, what do you mean exactly? I was wondering if it was more than just the housework issue to him. He is unbelievably lazy I get that he always has been. When he left for golf on Sunday morning I was at his mums with him (we stayed over the night before) and about ten minutes later she went in the dining room and was annoyed because he’d left his dirty socks balled up right there on the dining room floor for her to shift 🤢 so I know that this behaviour is something that he’s had all his bloody life and he won’t even change for her. But it just feels a bit more sinister to me. Like it’s a control thing. Like he’s trying to get one over on Me? I don’t know

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babygoose48 · 14/11/2018 21:23

I’m sorry I’m not replying to everyone I’m overwhelmed with all the questions and the responses. Some of the realisation quotes you have all said are resonating and hitting home for me. It helps loads.

We are in a rented property together and out 6 month initial rental contract is due to be renewed after Xmas. I wouldnt want to leave here my daughter was unsettled in my mums flat with me in the interim before we moved to this new place and I can’t uproot her again.

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babygoose48 · 14/11/2018 21:33

@StormTreader absolutely 100%!!! I have just googled strategic incompetence and it rings so true!!

We had an argument because he never put a wash on the first few weeks of moving in - his argument was it was because he didn’t know how to use it!

And tried to defend Himself when I said you could have just asked me.

Then complained that the washer was broke because he kept getting bits of powder all over the clothes after a wash cycle so ‘what was the point’

Then when I watched him one night he was putting the detergent in to the softener drawer and vice Versa and when I pointed it out he got angry, tried to blame it on the washing machine being broke and we needed to get rid (it was mine from my old house and a ford from my dad) and then got mad because I was telling him he was “wrong” (never used that word in my life towards him) and that I was trying to belittle him 🤷🏼‍♀️

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5280787/amp/Is-half-master-strategic-incompetence.html

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babygoose48 · 14/11/2018 21:37

*a gift from my dad.

Aparently with the washer he also said I had an ‘unhealthy emotional attachment to it’ when I wanted to take it in to the new house and not get rid of it for a new one.

Jeez all these things just pop up.

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Ohyesiam · 14/11/2018 21:44

Op, I only managed to read about half of you’re post, I have no idea how you manage to live like that.

He doesn’t like or respect you love, o know that sounds very harsh, but it’s true. He treats you like shit because he knows you’re going to moan, but put up with it.
By not ending the relationship you are saying “ look , you can do what you want, and I just stay and put up with it”.
You can talk to him about it and tell him how out of order he is and how much it hurts, but NOTHING WILL CHANGE .
To have a better life you need to leave him.

Wishing you lots of courage and strength op. You can do it.

Zofloramummy · 14/11/2018 21:48

Because it isn’t about housework it’s about control and entitlement. I wrote a post at 17:26 about my views on his behaviour.

In summary he wants you to be subordinate to him and his views on things. Case in point the washing machine. Any idiot could see that he was using it incorrectly. He can’t admit to that therefore it’s the machines fault and by default yours as the owner of the machine. He couldn’t be wrong because he is superior.

Zofloramummy · 14/11/2018 21:53

I remember spending an important birthday with my ex. From when I woke up he had a plan about what he wanted to do that day. I wanted to do something slightly differently ( I asked for a cup of tea in bed to open my cards with my dd). He wanted me to get up. He threw my cards in my face and screamed at me.

I spent my birthday in tears and he was foul all day. He ruined it for me and my family because I didn’t want to do things the way he had dictated we should.

At the time I thought I shouldn’t have upset him and that it was in some way my fault. Which shows how messed up my head was. So I understand the self doubt and the fear of leaving. Ultimately I did leave and it was the best thing I ever did.

babygoose48 · 14/11/2018 22:11

Oh my that sounds awful I’m sorry to hear you went through that.

My partner made me cry on the night of my nans funeral last Christmas in a resteraunt because I asked him about saving money for the place I am in now, and he blamed me for asking about such a personal thing to him, when he was really hiding the fact that he hadn’t saved any money in months and he didn’t want to admit it.

See it’s these little things that come out, it didn’t seem too significant at the time I believed I had genuinely done wrong but thinking back now I know he was way out of order.

My ex partner was similar too (DD’s Dad) but in different, more apparent ways. I didn’t see that for years either.

I think my self esteem is a huge issue here.

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Zofloramummy · 14/11/2018 22:32

I think that self esteem is an issue but also pride. I know that stopped me from admitting the reality of my relationship was terrible for a long time. I too had a failed relationship and a dd. My ex was my first serious relationship since I’d broken up with her dad. I’d introduced them, we lived together. I thought I had so much too lose.

It was a sunken coats fallacy. And once I admitted to myself and my family that I was miserable the relief was huge. And then I planned my way out. I was very lost and frightened. He didn’t make it easy. But I am so thankful that I ended it.

Be honest with yourself. Do you worry about whether he will be in a good mood? Do you moderate your choices or behavyto avoid conflict? Do you get to the point where you feel incandescent with rage and explode? Is everything made to feel like your fault? Do you wish for the days when he was lovely and life was fun?

That’s how I felt.

MadeForThis · 14/11/2018 22:48

He's not the person you wish he was. You need to let go.

olivesarelife · 14/11/2018 22:52

Leave. Plz dont let ur dd grow up with this manchild.

HeebieJeebies456 · 14/11/2018 23:27

so what if you 'love' him?
you know he's abusive and won't stop - he's telling you this and showing you.......and yet you CHOOSE to stay!

Grow up, grow a backbone and put your dd first instead of your disaster of a 'love-life' Hmm

TheClitterati · 14/11/2018 23:33

LTB. Or face up to a life of this shit.

You do deserve better though.

ivykaty44 · 15/11/2018 04:01

You’re not in love with this man - sorry but this isn’t live that you feel.

You are used to him being around and don’t want him to not be around as that’s normal for you- but this isn’t a healthy relationship.

Go shopping for your own food and cook for yourself. Straight up tell him that you’ll sort out your own food from now on and leave him to sort his shopping cooking etc.

Ultimately you need him to fuck off

Cawfee · 15/11/2018 04:41

Do you really want to put up with this for the rest of your life?

Starfish28 · 15/11/2018 05:37

Your daughter will be unsettled. Ending a relationship and moving will have an impact - there is no point in pretending otherwise. BUT staying in an abusive relationship with a man who constantly undermines you and prays on your mental health will do far more damage in the long run. You need to ask him to leave - if you can afford the rent or find somewhere you can afford.

You have been mentally tortured by this arsehole and seem to have put up with it for a long time. As many other posters have said you love the idea of the man he could be not the man he is.

Of course it’s so easy to say leave and the ramifications from that decision will be difficult. But you need for your own sanity to get out. Stop writing lists of what he has done and what you have said. It will not help you understand. Start writing lists of the steps you need to take to leave or have him leave. You will in the long run feel better. Work with your threapist on why you seem to think being in a relationship with someone who is so abusive is okay.

PBobs · 15/11/2018 06:15

Please think about the message this is sending your DD about what is acceptable in relationships. She will be seeing and picking up on this abuse and the fact that you are staying on for more. I know it is so hard to see it for what it is and to be convinced that you are better off out of it but the fact is that while you are struggling with your thoughts your DD is watching and thinking all this is OK. Hugs.