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Helping DD work thought anger with his parents

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Echobelly · 11/11/2018 21:54

DD is currently not talking to his parents. They have a long history of being dismissive of him, always seeming to judge him as being in the wrong, seeing him as a 'fuck-up', making him apologise for things even when they really should be the ones apologising etc. This latest blew up after his mum, without sufficient context to see the true picture, told him he was responsible for a manager having a go at him and owed the manager an apology (what actually happened was manager had had a day where she shouted at a load of people for no good reason and upset them).

He's had a few of these times he hasn't wanted to speak to them before, but this time is different as he is so angry that he doesn't want them to see our kids - he feels that as they haven't made an effort with him they don't get to see the kids until they consider what they have done wrong. And admittedly their only response to this has been texts from his dad basically telling him all the things he should be grateful for, what's his problem? and why he should sort himself out. No 'What's wrong?', 'Let's talk and sort this out' and so on.

Now before you go nuclear on him, I'm not convinced he will stand by this - I have told him that bringing kid access into it is a horrid move, will totally undermine his case and just make them focus on 'Boo hoo, boo hoo, DS is so horrible he's not letting us see the kids' and playing the victims. He sees my point to some extent but still feels that until they give a shit about him, why should they see the kids?

I don't want a load of posts about this is a shitty thing to do (it is, I know) and DH is a bastard (he's not). I'm not sure how and if I can convince him about the kids thing, I've said about everything I can say.

It's all been made more awkward as MIL left a phone message asking after me and asking to speak to the kids on Friday... DH has not intimated anything to his parents yet about not seeing the kids, but I honestly didn't feel I could go behind his back and have them speak with her, plus she might talk to them and (not necessarily manipulatively) arranged to do something with them. I have not as yet returned her call nor do I feel I can speak to her until DH has decided what he wants to do, as I don't want to say anything about their access to the kids.

BTW, they live locally. We historically see them almost every week. I don't think going NC is an option unless we were to move or something and they are not so appalling as to merit that much exertion. I think suggesting there is less contact (there is one night a week we pretty much always see them) for the future might be a better thing.

The really frustrating bit is that DH is resisting telling them directly 'I am really angry because you have made no effort to contact me to ask what your role is in all of this, rather than admonishing me' and is on some level holding to keeping himself and the kids away until they magically realise this. When the whole problem is because they are utterly fucking unaware!

Any advice (without just slagging off DH, no he is not thinking this through well, but he is a good person) appreciated.

TL;DR - Husband so angry with parents for their emotional mistreatment of him for years that he wants to withhold them seeing kids & believes he shouldn't directly tell them what they've done wrong because they have to realise it themselves if they actually care about their relationship with him

OP posts:
Skarlet2018 · 12/11/2018 03:44

Are grandparents abusive?

NotTheFordType · 12/11/2018 05:06

If his parents are abusive to him, then they are not fit to be an influence in your DCs' lives.

blackcat86 · 12/11/2018 06:05

Ideally he needs to contact them and clearly outline how he feels and have his own counselling to work through this. Easier said than done. My DH is in a similar situation wanting a lot of contact with his parents but then disliking how they repeatedly treat him with shitty comments etc. One thing that has worked for us is that I take most of the responsibility for the PILs contact with DC so that he see his parents probably every 4 - 6weeks ish rather than weekly. I have a good relationship with them and there is no reason for them to not see DD so I facilitate this weekly. It's helped a lot and now DH is much better at managing any comments from his parents rather than getting into a spiral or becoming aggressive. They actually haven't really noticed and just chalk this down to him being at work whilst I'm off on mat leave. Even when I'm at work I suspect they'd just see it as me sorting out DD.

blackcat86 · 12/11/2018 06:06

Of course if they're actually abusive rather than a bit insensitive and annoying then that's different.

Chucknology · 12/11/2018 06:19

I don't think it's healthy for kids to be around grandparents constantly putting him down. I would back off - communicate clearly and firmly and encourage him to get counselling. Shame they are local.

AgentJohnson · 12/11/2018 06:42

Well acting tough in name only, gets him where exactly? How can you support him? By telling him to see a professional for support for working through his issues with his parents but using your kids in some proxy war, is not on.

You can sympathise with your H without following him down the rabbit hole, given the frequency of contact with his parents, how were you planning to explain his decision to your kids? Don’t let his dysfunctional relationship with his parents cause greater dysfunction.

blueskiesandforests · 12/11/2018 06:56

That reads to me as though your DH has learnt very Blamey behaviour from his parents and internalused it as normal.

He's doung to his parents exactly what they do to him.

Which they may deserve, but I wouldn't want someone who'd internalised that mindset to be the other parent if my children! He'll be modelling this attitude to your kids and probably treat them the same way once they're teens and older.

A demanded apology is used to humiliate. A genuine apoligy is offered spontaneously and is a healing thing for both parties. People who "demand" apologies or try to punish are generally dicks - by nature or nurture.

If your DH doesn't want to be exactly like his parents he should clear the air with them by stating exactly why he is unhappy. He shouldn't demand an apology as that would jyst be about winning and putting them in their place. If the relationship is unhealthy for him or the kids absolutely reduce contact as a family.

The in-laws attitudes will seep through and impact in your kids, but so will your DH's.

blueskiesandforests · 12/11/2018 06:58

Sorry, a lot of the letter "u" s in that post should be "i" s. Fat finger typing.

PleaseLetMummySleep · 12/11/2018 07:03

As the parents, it is your job to protect your children from people that will do them harm (inc emotional or psychological harm).

I whole heartedly agree contact should be reduced, and I'd not leave the DC alone with them as you can't trust them not to say upsetting things to the DC.

If he GPs ask why and wish to work on this, then great, but I suspect they won't...

Sorry OP. I have a similar situation and have gone NC, but agree low contact may be best in this situation 

BoneyBackJefferson · 12/11/2018 07:04

From what you have written I think that you should be supporting your DH fully.

Its not "shitty" its a move that will protect him, you and your children.

PleaseLetMummySleep · 12/11/2018 07:06

@blueskiesandforests I think you're jumping the gun a little by saying it sounds like he has internalised the behaviours, this attitude will seep through etc. There isn't any info on this in the OPs post. Perhaps you're projecting.

Bekabeech · 12/11/2018 07:12

I think you need to step back and support him. They're his parents.

Don't go behind his back to give them contact.

Read Toxic Families. Do encourage him to get some counselling- maybe from someone who also does family therapy so they can do joint sessions between you and him later.

Contact with Grandparents can be a good thing. But a stable and honest relationship with your own parents is far more crucial for children. And they certainly don't need to see their father being put down/undermined by the Grandparents.

Hospitaldramafamily · 12/11/2018 10:36

Not good for the DC to see grandparents doing that to their dad and it could set some unhealthy patterns for them. Reducing contact sounds positive for everyone. Not as a punishment but as the right thing for your own family

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