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Is it just me, or is this odd? & what to do?

51 replies

TheLaughingMoan · 11/11/2018 01:29

I’m a single Mum of two. I separated over two years ago, my divorce finalised a couple of months ago. The arrangements with my ex aren’t particularly pleasant, but things are stable and we communicate reasonably well over shared childcare.

About four months ago I met a lovely man, who was up front about having separated from his ex just over four years ago and said that they had been living apart for about two years. They have one child and are not divorced - at the moment there currrently aren’t any plans for divorce (although he has said that he does want to divorce her).

It transpired a few weeks into our relationship that their arrangements are rather more complicated than I first thought and, whilst they haven’t been a couple for 2-4 years, their lives are still interconnected in a way that I find odd and stressful.

He lives in the former family home. She rents a place in another town. Due to the nature of her job (working away regularly) they share childcare, which involves him staying in her home while she is away. Sometimes she still stays at his home on a sofa bed in the living room if she’s working nearby.

Their relationship is difficult / stressful and arguments often happen when they are together.

He is a very good father and an exceptionally kind man, shares childcare, pays private school fees and a more than adequate amount of child maintenance, which leaves him with very little disposable income.

His ex has responded extremely negatively (understatement!) to the news that he is in a new relationship with me. I have been insulted and she has spoken very crudely about the nature of our relationship - saying it’s just about sex.

She has made him feel very guilty - repeatedly saying that he is breaking an agreement they made that he would continue supporting her and their child until the child leaves school. She thinks he is deserting them both and engineers situations so that he has to choose between myself or his daughter.

Basically the current setup means that it’s almost impossible for him to have another long term relationship. The last time he tried to have a relationship she argued with him constantly and forced him to stop.

He’s doing his best to begin changing things - he feels he’s in a terrible situation trying to keep me happy and develop our relationship while not upsetting his ex. Personally I think it will be impossible - what she’s wanting is completely unrealistic.

I cannot see how they will manage to properly separate without a major change or compromise. Unless either she changes jobs or we all live closer to each other (not going to happen in the short term).

I love this man dearly, but it’s just a massive shame that his ex has overshadowed things from the word go. I want to be in a relationship with him, but I need advice about how to handle this situation and his ex.

OP posts:
Seaweed42 · 11/11/2018 03:41

Your DP wasn't that upfront. He said he was separated for 4 yrs, then it turned into 2-4 yrs? Then turned they share a house still and he has no plans for a divorce. His wife lives away some days due to travelling for work, not because she has moved out?

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 11/11/2018 03:51

Things that would matter to me to know in this situation:
Who left whom, and why. Was it his choice or hers? Was there an affair or just a breakdown of the marriage - and why are there no plans to divorce?

I think they are too closely intertwined still, and if you have any hope of this working, then he needs to disengage far more than he already has. No more staying at hers, no more her staying at his. No more her getting ANY say at all in what he does in his own personal life - seriously, she has no rights there.
And he needs to get the divorce moving too.

If he refuses to do any of that, then I think it's a non-starter, you'll never be any better than 3rd place to him and even though you don't want to, I'd consider calling it a day.

Do you think the ex-wife is hoping they'll get back together one day? Or does she just like having him at her beck and call? Either way, HE needs to make it clear that neither of those things will happen ever again - and again, if he doesn't, then it's probably a lost cause.

sisterfrancesbeaverhausen · 11/11/2018 03:56

If you've been on Mumsnet 16 years you should know this won't end well.

Don't tangle yourself with him until he untangles himself with her.

lunar1 · 11/11/2018 04:02

His situation is one of his choosing, and you are only getting 50% of the story between them from a biased source.

None of your problems are caused by his ex wife. They are caused because you don't like the arrangements your boyfriend has with her.

I'm not sure how anyone can advise on that without saying either leave him or put your foot down.

Alfie190 · 11/11/2018 04:12

The reason some have said you should leave him, is because that is the only course of action available to you, other than putting up with it of course. The only people that have any power to change this situation are your BF and the ex. And they have chosen not to. Your BF has chosen her above you and you refuse to see what is blindingly obvious to others.

MarthasGinYard · 11/11/2018 04:18

Would be interesting to hear his DW's side of the story.

MarthasGinYard · 11/11/2018 04:20

'whilst they haven’t been a couple for 2-4 years,'
Eh?

Your new boyfriend is leading you a merry dance.

Sorry if that's ever so slightly 'knee jerk'

Wallywobbles · 11/11/2018 04:26

My now DH was separated (1.5 years) when I met him. It took another 2.5 years to divorce without all the added emotional shit yours has got going on. In his case it was about the division of assets. They already shared 50/50 the childcare.

It was long complicated and very frustrating. And I'd not do it again.

Rachelover40 · 11/11/2018 04:50

Why can't you just have him as a boyfriend until he sorts out his situation? You don't have to automatically move in with eachother, enjoy good times and see how it pans out. Many would envy you! There's a lot to be said for being semi single, you get the best of both worlds.

Monday55 · 11/11/2018 05:17

Why did he break up with his ex?

He has little disposable income? What are the plans of him looking after you and your future children together ?

You can see that it's a stressful situation and yet you decide to stay? hence why people are telling you to leave him, otherwise if you don't leave you're laying your bed and can't complain about it as you're self inflicting this stress and complicated lifestyle onto yourself.

AnyFucker · 11/11/2018 05:25

He is still very much married. Wake up.

GloomyMonday · 11/11/2018 07:12

The arrangement whereby he stays in his xw's home when she works away is presumably so that he can look after his dd without making her pack stuff and come to his house? I believe this is increasingly common. It might be called nesting, I'm not sure, I've read about it.

When his xw stays at his house (the family home), when she's working nearby, does she bring dd? Was this something he agreed to on separation, in return for staying in the house?

How do you know she's said horrible things about you? He shouldn't be telling you that. Even though it's early days for your relationship, I hope he's defending you to her.

What has prompted her to claim that he's going back on an agreement to support her and dd until dd leaves school? Is he trying to reduce any money he gives her, see dd less, say she can no longer stay at the family home, what?

Joysmum · 11/11/2018 08:36

I’d like to know -constructively - how to handle this situation

You can only accept or reject it.

You have no say in anything so you form no part of that part of his life and never will do. Only he can make changes and it sounds to me like he doesn’t want to.

Given the amount of time and money and emotional attachment still going on with the ex it it sounds to me like they are still in a loveless marriage which continues for practical reasons only.

He doesn’t have anything much left over to devote to another relationship but he has lied to you to get you hooked.

You only have his words to go on about the reality of his situation and you can’t trust that as he’s a proven liar.

As I said at the start, you can only accept or reject it.

PerverseConverse · 11/11/2018 08:39

I had a relationship where he was still overly involved with his ex wife. I ended it as wasn't healthy due to that and other factors. I found this article very helpful.

pairedlife.com/advice/IsHeStillMarriedToHisEx

What they are doing is unfair on all concerned, especially the children.

Lovemademedoit · 11/11/2018 08:40

How old is his dd? I’m getting the impression she is still small yet he has promised to ‘look after’ them until she leaves school. How many years away is that?

Unicornandbows · 11/11/2018 08:45

I think you need to get him into counselling about his ex so he can break free from her controlling behaviour.

Then I would suggest to take médiation through courts so that will stop the abusive control and her harassing him.

He needs to see she is harassing and an abuser.

Until he doesn't realise this op you have serious work ahead of you.

GloomyMonday · 11/11/2018 08:53

"He needs to see she is harassing and an abuser."

How on earth can we know that from what op has said here?

She has said something insulting about op and suggested that their relationship is just sex. Unkind yes, but abusive?

She has accused him of breaking an agreement made between them on separation. Maybe he is changing the terms of their agreement. Even if he isn't, and it is all about her perception of the situation, harassment? Abusive?

NotTheFordType · 11/11/2018 09:15

Why is he telling you the nasty things his ex has said about you?

My H and my mum hated each other. When I went to see my mum I didn't say "Oh and H called you the Wicked Witch and said he hoped you don't poison me with your cooking" and equally I didn't return home and say "Hey darling, mum still wishes we'd split up because your disability means you have no earning power"

category12 · 11/11/2018 09:16

It's very early days for all this. Rather than expending lots of emotional energy on this mess, I think you'd be better withdrawing.

Now I know you want to stick with him, so I'm not saying ditch him, but instead pull back and keep it light and fun. Don't get involved in the ins and outs of what's happening between them. Don't engage in conversations about what he should do about her or what she says about you and your relationship: "look, I can't help you with this, you have to find your own solutions" .

Date him. Enjoy things. Get to know him. You have only been seeing each other a short time.

Take a step out of the maelstrom. Have a time frame in your mind for him to get things straight, and if he doesn't, then be prepared to walk.

dogwoofbark · 11/11/2018 09:29

What would be more helpful, is given he’s a MAN, how he sees the situation and the manipulation going on. In my experience men just don’t get it.

Um. Ok.

Joysmum · 11/11/2018 09:58

She has said something insulting about op and suggested that their relationship is just sex. Unkind yes, but abusive?

If the OP only knows this from her partner has said then she may not have said that all given he’s a liar.

Ginger153 · 11/11/2018 10:12

I think the advice to take it easy at this stage is wise.

I've just split up with a man who's life is still dictated by is ex, and he allows it to be out of guilt for their kids having a single mum. He's still there every day. No formal plans, no space for him let alone us.

I stuck with it for two years because I love him but I couldn't cope with being last on the list anymore.

It is for him to sort. I wish I'd put my foot down sooner. He needs to carve out clear lines where he has time for your relationship if it's going to progress and ignore the bitter and entitled comments from EW.

I don't think it's madness that the adults minimise the child's bag packing but there needs to be clear boundaries in place about their sleeping arrangements and days of the week so she can't engineer things. It's none of her business what he does on his days off.

Perhaps it's time she got a new job so a routine can be established? She sounds terribly bitter and trying to control him out of anger that their marriage failed. He must stand firm.

Enjoy seeing him more casually until everything's calmer and let him fight to sort it so then you know he's choosing you and a life for himself. If he can't do that, then you know where you stand.

ACatsNoHelpWithThat · 11/11/2018 11:49

OP I strongly recommend you read the book Stepmonster (by Wednesday Martin). Not that you're a step parent yet obviously but there is a chapter in there which describes the kind of feelings and inner conflicts your DP is likely to be experiencing regarding his ex and his child. It won't give you solutions as such (other than to make clear that you and your DP need to be on the same page as each other if you hope to make your relationship work) but once you have some insight into your DP's perspective you'll be better equipped to decide how to proceed from here.

LatentPhase · 11/11/2018 12:01

This man is still very much married. There aren’t enough resources left, emotionally, practically, financially for you to build a relationship on. I would cut-and-run. It’s not healthy.

He is probably struggling with the guilt of this half-separation. And they haven’t even properly separated so it doesn’t bode well. But quite frankly, their marriage and relationship is their issue, there is nothing for you to ‘handle’.

You are priority #3 and if you won’t cut-and-run now then just detach and have a light and fairly uncommitted relationship. But I sense,OP, that’s not what you want. So be prepared for the resentment to eat you up.

mogratpineapple · 11/11/2018 12:17

The advice here is sound. You are going out with a married man and either accept what is on offer or end it.

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