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Distant spouse and my stinking breath

26 replies

LostNHurt · 07/11/2018 01:26

My SO recently told me “your...breath...stinks!!!”
We use to kiss all the time, both passionately and simply on the lips.
This was their response when I finally found the courage to pressed them on why we never, ever kiss - a response that is completely valid (I assume) but also outrageously hurtful and compassionless in its delivery.
I wholeheartedly accept responsibility for my own negligence. If I’m honest I am still oblivious to it and assume I’ve just become accustomed to my own “stink”. It is something I am making significant efforts to address both on a daily basis and for the long term.
Despite this I feel a huge distance between us. It’s a distance that’s built over the years that this has happened. I have for a long time been aware of their reluctance to kiss but never had the nerve to bring it up. However, during this time the absence of this intimacy has eaten away at me and caused a great deal of hurt that I have kept to myself. I have constantly questioned why, wondering if it was me (which evidently it is) or if they wanted to or actually were kissing someone else. My reasoning was that if I missed it so much then the only option for them must be that they either never enjoyed it or that they weren’t missing it because I’d been replaced.
This has been reinforced by what feels like a complete lack of connection during sex and foreplay where they spent almost the entire time with their eyes closed. It has felt more like I’m doing things to them rather than sharing it together, and again my thought process for this has been that they are thinking about being with someone else or they have been with someone else and are thinking about that.

Think has now left me with a medley of feelings.
Firstly anger:
-that I am the cause
-that I have been completely unaware
-that they just didn’t tell me
-the heartless and deliberately hurtful way they eventually expressed it

Secondly shame. Just a massive load of shame and disgust in myself.

Thirdly, and by far most strongly, grief from being the cause of this loss of intimacy for so long and the acknowledgement that the problem was real and not just in my head. Every memory of kissing is tainted with the thought that they were actually disgusted. Memories of them “forgetting” to kiss me when they left for work. Attaching so many minor traits in their behaviour to planned methods of avoiding kissing me. This is a grief that has plagued every waking moment ever since and fluctuates, often being completely overwhelming and leaving me a complete mess. At least before they told me my sadness was only due to the thoughts in my head. This sadness has increased exponentially now that it is a reality especially as I have been the cause.

Lastly, and the reason for posting, fear.
I literally cannot be close to them or face them in case I have bad breath. I turn away in bed or whenever we are in close proximity during the day. I’m not sure I’ll ever be able to kiss them again even with the steps I’m taking. I’ve repeatedly gamed it in my head.

Option 1 - they pull away (possibly in disgust). If this happened I don’t know how I’d come back from it.
Option 2 - we kiss but all I can think is they’d rather put up with my foul breath than see me hurt. They have seen the absolute wreckage I’ve become over this and for some reason keep apologising. Apart from the moment they told me this, they have always been the most loving and caring person I’ve ever met (probably a big part of why it hurt so much when they told me in the way they did) and I know they wouldn’t want to cause this pain again

These are the only outcomes I can envisage and I’m not sure it’s worth the risk. However, this is only widening the gap between us and although we are going through the same processes each day I have never felt more alone.

We recently moved to be near their family and I also changed jobs leaving behind the vast majority of supportive friends.

I’m sorry for the long post and I’m not even sure I have a question but any response would be great as I’m at a complete loss of how to move forward. Despite the harsh method of delivery I’m really glad they told me (I think) but I have no idea how to confidently address it (given that I was unaware of the problem so I’m finding it hard to judge any improvements). I clearly have significant trust issues as part of me keeps wondering if it was a lie to stop me asking and the truth is they’ve been kissing (or more) with someone else. But mostly I just don’t know how to deal with the absence of intimacy and being the cause of it.
If you’ve got this far through my tale of woe I’m hoping you’ll have some advice to offer - all of it is welcome.
Thanks

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LostNHurt · 07/11/2018 01:27

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PollyFlinderz · 07/11/2018 01:42

Op, I’m sorry if this is a daft question but have you been to your dentist? That would be my first port of call.

Do you eat properly. Are you constipated? Do you have enlarged tonsils. Could you visit your Dr for a proper check up.

I don’t know what to suggest about your relationship though and I’m sorry you’re feeling so hurt.

BundyLancroft · 07/11/2018 01:46

You sound like a big Overthinker, OP. Do you suffer from anxiety? I think you've blown the whole thing out of proportion and are at risk of self sabotaging your relationship over a potentially easily fixable thing. Unless you let it ruin everything.

What practical steps have you taken to minimise the breath issue?

LostNHurt · 07/11/2018 01:47

Thanks for replying
Believe me I’m taking major steps
I can’t imsgine how I’d feel if someone else told me as well
Instant dental appointment and going to a hygenist
If anything it’s become an instant obsession to monitor and deal with it
Hadn’t thought to go to a dr as I assumed they’d refer me to a dentist but I’ll look into it

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LostNHurt · 07/11/2018 01:55

Hi. Thanks for the reply
Potentially I am overthinking it, both in terms of time and size of the problem but it genuinely seems inescapable at the moment
Every moment is filled with being appalled at myself (for being that way and not even knowing) and such sadness (for all the intimacy I’ve taken out of our relationship).

On top of that I can’t see a way to get the intimacy back even if I fix the issue - and trust me it is getting fixed one way or another

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Violet25 · 07/11/2018 02:01

I am so sad reading this. You poor thing. First of all a couple of thoughts - have you got a close friend you can ask about your breath and who perhaps could be a safe person to help you monitor it. I think seeing a GP is a good idea - one to discuss possible medical causes as and two to see about some counselling for you. I can completely understand how you would feel shame and grief. I'm glad your partner feels bad. He should!

Isadora2007 · 07/11/2018 02:02

Is this really the only issue in your relationship? Can’t you sit down and talk honestly about things?
“OH I have to say I am glad to know that I have bad breath and whilst I appreciate your honesty I do have to say I was hurt by the delivery. I’m wondering if there is anything else difficult that we need to talk about?”

Get the answers to why your breath smells and deal with it and then tackle the other issues head on- like asking “what’s going on during sex with us? Is that to do with the breath too? Or something else”?
I have to say I love my husband to bits, but I also enjoy sex whilst kind of zoning out and enjoying him “doing things” to me and I also “do things” to him...I’d hate him to think that I might be thinking of someone else due to this...

LostNHurt · 07/11/2018 02:11

Thank you for replying
Sadly not. We moved away and with changing jobs as well it’s pretty much wrecked any actual contact other than over the phone - Apple need to release an app that’ll let me do this over the phone!!!
I’ll definately go to the doctors if the dentist stuff doesn’t fix it
I honestly dont want them to be sad-
I hate the way they told me but I can’t believe I didn’t know

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LostNHurt · 07/11/2018 02:18

Thank you for replying
I honestly don’t know if there are other issues
Until this happened I was able to rationalise all my thoughts and doubts as just being in my head
Now that one of them has become a reality I can’t help but wonder if the others are as well
Maybe I’m just paranoid
Finding out is like the kissing issue - if there is a problem or something going on I don’t think they’d tell me for fear of hurting me more so (agsin pRanoid) whatever they said I’d still think the worst
I’m hoping if I fix this that everything will fall back into place
I completely see what you’re saying about closing your eyes and have to admit I have also done that. It’s the constant nature of theirs that concerns me - we are talking zero eye contact
I’m hoping it might alter if we can get back to the way we were

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WhatToDoAboutWailmerGoneRogue · 07/11/2018 02:59

I don’t think the delivery was deliberately hurtful or harsh at all Confused They just answered your question honestly.

You’re definitely making a mountain out of a molehill and self sabotaging your relationship. You are being very obviously dramatic and guilt tripping your partner for being honest if they feel the need to keep apologising.

I don’t think they even needed to apologise in the first place; if you’re not prepared for an honest answer, don’t ask the question.

elliemillie · 07/11/2018 03:21

At least you are doing something about it. That is the most important part.

Is it possible he has tried to tell you in more subtle ways but didn't get anywhere?

I used to book dentist appointments that didn't get attended. I put toothpaste on both our brushes and made a big deal of not wanting to ruin it for him with smelly breath. Yet I was the only one who brushed. Bottles and bottles of mouthwash with fluoride but he preferred natural licorice ones which mixed with the bad breath was lethal. After ten years of subtle and not so subtle hints I stopped wanting to kiss or even hug. The mental acrobatics required to enjoy it was not worth the effort.

I think you are being paranoid about the other things. There isn't anyone else I don't think. Bad breath is just a killer of any sort of intimacy.

PouchofDouglas · 07/11/2018 06:42

Why are you calling them they. It’s weird

LostNHurt · 07/11/2018 06:45

Thanks for the reply
I’m honestly not trying to do that and I hate that they feel bad about it
I’ve tried to keep the worst of it hidden from them

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Lucky11111 · 07/11/2018 07:14

Google "tonsil stones"

They cause really HORRIBLE stinky breath.

They lodge in pockets in your tonsils and can be removed easily.

Have a chat with your GP to rule them out.

X

lifebegins50 · 07/11/2018 08:03

Can you have a follow up conversation with your partner, along the linesof "I am so embarrassed that my breathe smelt, I am taking steps to fix it so can you let me know of you feel there is an improvement".
Do you normally have straight forward communication?

I think you might need to just accept this was a problem but now you are fixing it and can move onwards. There is no need for shame, (embarrassment yes as I think we would all feel that to some degree) but shame has probadly been triggered by childhood issues.

The move might have made you feel more vulnerable so try to connect with old friends, even of that means some travel and talk to counsellor if it continues to be debilitating.

Desmondo2016 · 07/11/2018 08:07

Another one who can't bear 'they'. What's wrong with him or her??

And I think there's probably more going on here than just your breath. Obviously it's impossible to say based on a few paragraphs but I'd say your partner doesn't seem as invested as you are or you have some additional medical style issues along the vein of OCD and anxiety related stuff going on

Musti · 07/11/2018 08:12

Go with your plan of sorting out your breath. Could be tooth or tonsil related or even diet. My ex has poor teeth hygiene and it made me not want to kiss him. See if once you've sorted it you can start building your intimacy back.

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 07/11/2018 08:20

Is it just your dental hygiene that you neglected or your overall personal hygiene?

HannahHut · 07/11/2018 08:25

@lucky11111 you're right, tonsils stones could be it and they're awful! I've had them for ages but on the list to get my tonsils out! 🤞

PollyFlinderz · 07/11/2018 10:39

Google "tonsil stones"

I was thinking the same thing.

LostNHurt · 07/11/2018 11:06

Hi all
Thank you so much for the replies
I’ll look into tonsil stones
Whatever else happens it’s getting fixed

Sorry about the “they”
It’s just how I think now due to a job where gender assumption is frowned upon

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pusspuss9 · 07/11/2018 11:15

PC world gone mad. I thought you meant you were sleeping with more than one person at a time, and that they'd all complained.

pusspuss9 · 07/11/2018 11:16

Actually 'they' is plural in English isn't it??

PouchofDouglas · 07/11/2018 19:50

Oh ffs is it a bloke or a woman

LostNHurt · 07/11/2018 23:31

@pusspuss9
Lol first time I’ve laughed in a good while so thanks

@pouchofdouglas I’m referring to my husband

Research tonight - tonsil stones!!!
Thanks for the heads up - I had seen it crop up on searches but dismissed it as I assumed it would be painful like all the other stones you can suffer with. but a quick search about it today left me thinking wtf
Literally never heard of these until this happened
Sounds made up
Thanks again for the help

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