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Complicated and strange situation! Please help!

57 replies

Anon1996 · 07/11/2018 00:32

Ok, going to try to keep it short. Had a bf when I was 19-21. Thought he was the “one” which was stupid because he turned out to be a controller and emotionally abusive. Following him met the father of my kids. Split with Dad after 3 years we are on good terms.
Over this time period I had been chatting with a very close friend of the abusive bf. We would talk for a while, not speak and catch up. I had met him in person a few times and we got on well. Then, in 2015 we started to talk more often- we lived far away from each other. We would text daily, sometimes all day and night. One day he confessed he fancied me when I was with abuser. This made me think .. oh! Ok.. and I started to see him in a different way. Then finally he confessed on NYE he wanted to come and see me. It was all a bit weird for me because it was over text, I tried to convince myself I was being stupid. Then, all of a sudden he pulls back. He says it’s “taboo” to date a friends ex. We should be “just friends”. I was hurt but understood where he was coming from. Then we didn’t talk for a while, got on with life. A few weeks go by and he pops up in my inbox, calling me his “friend”. Talks to me about dates with other women etc. I still have my weird feelings but push it down. Then I move closer to him (we are from the same area) to go to uni. Me and the kids move down, and me and the guy arrange to meet. He cancels on me. I tell him “There is no point being friends with someone you don’t see -fuck off.” He says sorry, I ignore him and then he asks to meet up and promises not to cancel. So we meet. We get on just as well in person as we do over text and I 100% fancy him. I felt so happy going home after meeting him, like literally skipping. I then go on holiday for my birthday at the same time he goes away with a mate. He texts me saying he likes me and wants to date me but “doesn’t know what to do about it.” I say we should go out, he agrees and we are going to meet when we both get back. Day of the date I don’t hear from him- I get an uneasy feeling he’s going to cancel or not message I don’t know why. I then send “are we still on for today?” And he doesn’t say anything. I snap. Enough bullshit. I write out a message like “sick of your crap and tired of excuses, get a grip”(a longer version) and block his number. I then just move on and date others. I get with a guy I really like but screw it up one night by getting drunk and acting like a mess. Guess who’s number I unblock? The guy. He then says to “stop dating the guy and start dating him” and I say no. The next day I get a message, “I’ve decided I want to be only your friend nothing more.” We talk a lot, start phoning each other more etc I still have that feeling in the back of my mind but forget it. He then phoned me on Xmas saying he has feelings but the very next day takes it back. I’m like wtf at this point and date other people. Then I start thinking - maybe I’m holding on to this guy because of unresolved issues with my ex ? So I stupidly message the ex. My mate/ crush says not to get involved, I don’t listen. We continue as mates talking about our dating lives etc. One day I meet the abusive ex, we end up in bed together, feelings resurface and he says he changed. Like a mug I believe him. Me and crush/mate meet up and we still get on well, I have a flicker of “This is the one you like” but think no, he doesn’t like me back. Then my being with the abusive ex once more causes us all to fall out. Me and the guy stop talking altogether and he blocks me on everything. The abuser guy has a go at him for not telling him about my boyfriends etc which was weird. Then the mate/crush thinks I’m causing drama. So we don’t talk. Abuser is still the same (shock) and we end it. I move on, continue uni, work, kids etc and then a month or so out of the blue mate/crush texts me. We go to our old ways of fairly frequent communication and my feelings are very much still there. I have an inkling he might feel the same but I’m not sure. He speaks about other women, tinder etc so I mostly think he wants to be a mate. But he spends a lot of time talking to me and I just have a feeling .... I just don’t know. SO what do I do? Keep going as “mates” /confess and get burned?/he confesses and we are happy/ there’s too much water under the bridge?

We get on really well and I’m attracted to him and honestly? We just have a laugh. So I don’t know where to take it or what to feel. I know I messed up by going back to an ex but he’s been up and down too :/ my family say if he wanted me he would have made a move. What do you think?

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SendintheArdwolves · 07/11/2018 08:05

Look, you can spend hours and hours with us and your friends, speculating on his motives, relating times he text you in minute detail, agonising over how he might be thinking and feeling, and spinning endless explanations and justifications and scenarios for his actions.

It's all a waste of time. You want to believe that it's all very complicated and to do with feelings - it isn't. It's very simple and to do with outcomes.

This is a guy who messes you about, plays mind games, KNOWS you are attracted to him and tells you all about other women who he sleeps with.

He isn't very nice to you. Stop finding the very noblest possible explanation for his behaviour ("he is so loyal to his friend that he feels guilty about his feelings for me") and just look at the behaviour itself. Then walk away from the games.

PeridotCricket · 07/11/2018 08:06

He’s just not that into you...

ShadowHuntress · 07/11/2018 08:06

Tbh you sound like you just need to be in a relationship with someone and it doesn’t really matter who
I agree. There is a touch of desperation in your post. Either of them seem overly interested in you. You’re just clinging onto something that isn’t there.

KitKat1985 · 07/11/2018 08:10

Brutal honesty time - I think you are coming across as a bit desperate. I don't think either of these guys like you and you need to block them permanently and not engage again. Your crush has learnt that he can string you along because every time he lets you down you still keep letting him back into your life.

LotsToThinkOf · 07/11/2018 08:10

You deserve better than either of these men, they seem to think you are available as and when they want which you have confirmed. If they had respect for you then they'd be in a relationship with you. They don't.

The abusive ex is relying on his hold over you, of course he knew that his friend was messaging you which is why he resurfaced and ended up in bed with you. His friend would obviously not bother with you once he knew this and who would blame him?

You need to cut ties with them otherwise this isn't going to get any better. The friend obviously feels he can't move forward with you because he doesn't trust you'll not contact your ex, once you slept with ex you confirmed this and so I think the relationship would never work.

Focus on uni and your children, you'll meet someone decent when you get these users out of your life.

YelenaSabra · 07/11/2018 08:12

I really believe that especially in the initial stages of dating, men should take initiative, be direct and be consistent. If they don't do any of these three things, it usually leaves women feeling insecure and anxious. Neither of these men are able to offer you consistency, which will erode your self worth over time. I agree that it reads like a pin ball machine - frantic and frenetic. Take time to think about what YOU expect from a man, not what they expect from you. You deserve a man who will be very upfront about what he wants from you, and won't make you question or doubt a thing. You also don't deserve to be with someone who would abuse or mistreat you in any way Flowers

Bowchicawowow · 07/11/2018 08:14

My advice is that if you are you going to date in the future, make sure it’s someone who acts like a grown up.

0ccamsRazor · 07/11/2018 08:18

You see that pile on the floor op, like a discarded coat? Well that is your self respect. Go and pick it up, give it a jolly good shake and put it on.

bubbles108 · 07/11/2018 08:18

It’s just weird and a bit of a headfuck

Then why continue with it? Why think so little of yourself that you allow men to treat you this way?

I repeat (paraphrased) that imo you shouldn't get romantically involved with any man until you've got to a place where you only attract respectful men

Noviceoftheweek · 07/11/2018 08:22

I would suggest that you aim to instil some stability to what sounds like a chaotic lifestyle. Focus on your children instead of random men.

Butterymuffin · 07/11/2018 08:23

Any further involvement drags you back into your past. Why let that happen when you've worked so hard to get away from it? Draw a line, get yourself settled then look for someone totally new.

Kahlua4me · 07/11/2018 08:23

You are worth more ten the relationships tat either your ex or his mate are offering. They do not have your happiness at heart.

Walk away from them, block them and move on. You will not meet anybody worthy of your love and attention whilst you are in contact with either them.

I think you should concentrate on completing your degree and then love will come..

Kahlua4me · 07/11/2018 08:26

More than the relationships that. Not sure what happened there!

I was also going to say that all these shenanigans may seem exciting to you but it is nervous energy that you are using and not good for a long term permanent relationship.

bungleZippy12 · 07/11/2018 08:26

This guy has become some sort of “prize” to be won. It can be quite addictive.
Start considering what his behaviours and actions are showing and telling you, rather than trying to find hidden meaning etc.

Start by reading the Baggage Reclaim website.

EK36 · 07/11/2018 08:31

Stop dating for a while until you feel better about yourself. You don't need a man to make you happy.

dangerrabbit · 07/11/2018 08:34

Be single and move on from these loser men.

astoundedgoat · 07/11/2018 08:34

A) crush guy is not that into you

B) crush guy likes and tacitly condones abusive men

C) having a crush on crush guy has drawn you back into an abusive relationship

D) you are actively sabotaging your mental health

Block all connections with these men and move on.

diddl · 07/11/2018 08:41

As a pp says, it really isn't strange or complicated.

When you went back to the abuser he continued to be abusive.

If you try to date the fuckwit, he will continue to be a fuckwit.

UpstartCrow · 07/11/2018 08:46

He is controlling, but in a different way. He's dangling you on a string, he wants you to do all the running so that later on he can say you pushed him into it and he wasn't really ready.

Block them both and have nothing more to do with any of them.

Anon1996 · 07/11/2018 08:48

I’ve had plenty of opportunities with other people and decent men I’ve barely touched a man in the last few years aside from that one.. I’ve been taking dates slowly. You are dead wrong in that respect, I’m very anxious about relationships after all this

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TittyBoneGhoul · 07/11/2018 08:53

That was exhausting to read.
Why are you doing this to yourself?

Anon1996 · 07/11/2018 08:57

Thank you , I’m taking this all on board and getting a lot of clarity. I’ve thought back and forth on it for so long and my judgement has been totally clouded. The abuaive ex has been out of the picture for over a year and I’m well shot of him. I had in my head the crush/mate was the “nice” one, and nothing like my ex. Guess I was wrong! It’s kind of a relief just to see him a loser to be honest. I thought because we got on well, had a lot in common etc that it meant something to him as well. He was even taking about how he wanted to “settle down” and how he “prefers single mums as he doesn’t want kids of his own”

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Anon1996 · 07/11/2018 09:05

Thank you, I will look at it. I’ve been getting therapy for a while about my anxiety and use meditation etc to try and be more focused. This is the only area of my life where stuff is not under control. I’ve had agood, respectful relationship with the father of my children and dated decent, respectable men who treat me well. Trust, I’m annoyed at myself for indulging the guy at all. I just don’t see what he gets out of it to be honest, or why he would constantly communicate with a woman he isn’t into. If it’s just for attention he should go for these girls on Tinder. He also tells me my “attitudes toward sex are old fashioned” and some of the “best sex he’s ever had has been from fuck buddies” which I’ve said I think is a waste of time. All this after claiming to want a wife etc.

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LizzieSiddal · 07/11/2018 09:12

Are you going to block him?

Anon1996 · 07/11/2018 09:15

I thought about giving an explanation but ... screw him. Yes I have

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